We got the #3 pick. Discuss the possibilities. (1 Viewer)

[inconceivable]

What’s the value of the #3 pick if teams that want it don’t know who’s going to be available?
It could be all the offers coming to Cronin are for Scoot Henderson.

I keep hearing that the pick has higher value before a player is selected than after. I asked this forum why that is. I don't think anyone replied. I still want an explanation, for my own sake.

In another post, I said, the blazers just need to pick the bpa, whether that is scoot or miller, then have a bidding war to all teams interested. I was told that's not how it works.

So I kept thinking, maybe before the draft, Joe can talk to all the other teams who has a player or players he wants to help Dame, and tell them, "hey, which player, if still available at 3, would you like in exchange for X (X being the aformentioned player or players).

Obviously some trades need just the 3, some we need to add any one or combo or all of ant/nurk/other picks/other players, depending on what we're getting back.

Basically, Joe can set the framework for a draftday trade, such that by the time we're on the clock to pick 3rd, we already have multiple pre-agreed trade with different teams waiting for who is available at 3 and for both teams to finalize.

 

[BonesJones]

I want no part of Brown unless he extends in sign and trade. No way we can make that trade for a one year rental

Likely scenario is we wouldn't be able to trade for him unless he'd leverage his way here, which is looking more and more likely to happen. So I don't see a trade happening where he doesn't extend.

 

[blazerkor]

I keep hearing that the pick has higher value before a player is selected than after. I asked this forum why that is. I don't think anyone replied. I still want an explanation, for my own sake.

In another post, I said, the blazers just need to pick the bpa, whether that is scoot or miller, then have a bidding war to all teams interested. I was told that's not how it works.

So I kept thinking, maybe before the draft, Joe can talk to all the other teams who has a player or players he wants to help Dame, and tell them, "hey, which player, if still available at 3, would you like in exchange for X (X being the aformentioned player or players).

Obviously some trades need just the 3, some we need to add any one or combo or all of ant/nurk/other picks/other players, depending on what we're getting back.

Basically, Joe can set the framework for a draftday trade, such that by the time we're on the clock to pick 3rd, we already have multiple pre-agreed trade with different teams waiting for who is available at 3 and for both teams to finalize.

That's how Joe will have this thing. He'll have trades with different teams, he'll have set A bidding for Scoot and Set B bidding for Miller. As soon as a decision is made by Charlotte he'll hopefully try to bump the value up even further but having seen the way Joe operates, he'll likely just go with who he already agreed with from Set A or B. If Jaylen Brown says he's only playing here then Joe will probably have one deal that sends Ant somewhere else with Scoot and whoever Ant fetches going to Boston and something that just sends Ant and Miller to Boston. I think Cronin plans ahead. I think he gets his ducks in a row and just like it played out last year around the draft with Jerami, I think a lot of people will be cool (not blown away but cool) with what Joe gets done.

 

[BonesJones]

When he came in last year, he surely was considered uber athletic. Watching hightlights, the only difference i'm seeing between the two is Scoot is slightly quicker.

Scoot is a much better passer and a better mid-range shooter. I also think Scoot as more creativity to his dribble-drive game and with how he creates angles.

 

[blazerkor]

I know that the draft is still a month away but I find it telling that we're only working out guys that aren't even projected to be taken around our pick at 45. Most of the guys we've worked out are looked at as undrafted or in the 50s. Obviously we could stretch for one but not one guy in the neighborhood of the 23rd pick and definitely not anyone 2-6. Like I said it's early but it could be telling us a lot.

 

[illmatic99]

Anyone have insider?

 

[SharpesTriumph]

If LeBron does retire; how about Ant #3 and salary filler to LA for Anthony Davis?

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Dame
Sharpe
Grant
AD
Nurk

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I keep hearing that the pick has higher value before a player is selected than after. I asked this forum why that is. I don't think anyone replied. I still want an explanation, for my own sake.

In another post, I said, the blazers just need to pick the bpa, whether that is scoot or miller, then have a bidding war to all teams interested. I was told that's not how it works.

So I kept thinking, maybe before the draft, Joe can talk to all the other teams who has a player or players he wants to help Dame, and tell them, "hey, which player, if still available at 3, would you like in exchange for X (X being the aformentioned player or players).

Obviously some trades need just the 3, some we need to add any one or combo or all of ant/nurk/other picks/other players, depending on what we're getting back.

Basically, Joe can set the framework for a draftday trade, such that by the time we're on the clock to pick 3rd, we already have multiple pre-agreed trade with different teams waiting for who is available at 3 and for both teams to finalize.

At #3 it's probably more likely the pick could be traded post draft since it's basically a consensus of who should be taken. Reason picks are normally traded prior to draft is:

1. Teams often have players ranked very differently, so who got picked at #4 might be ranked #9 with another franchise. Teams want to make their choice or may target just one specific player
2. Once teams have associated a player with their franchise (drafted them), they begin introducing them to media, coaches, players, etc. They begin forming a bond and become hesitant to break that connection so soon
3. Often picks are acquired to move for another player or pick or third team, but after the draft this becomes much more difficult
4. Draft picks are sort of a "new car" item where they are not valued as highly for immediate resale as teams want to control the entire buying process including predraft interviews, combine, etc.

So it's not impossibly the Blazers draft a player at 3 and trade them days weeks or months later. It's just extremely rare, and normally completed at the draft

 

[SharpesTriumph]

We have seen top picks traded post draft such as Wiggins for Kevin Love.

I actually think the Blazers potentially could be one of these situations, since drafting a rookie at #3 potentially has so many veterans and franchise player on the roster also in motion. Especially if the Blazers select Scoot, it would seem a trade has to be coming.

But there is also free agency, and stars asking or not asking for trades in July. Blazers aren't really forced to do any action right away except resigning Grant

So historical odds would suggest a trade of #3 is most likely going to happen on draft night. But with the Blazers this entire off-season is unknown and difficult to predict.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Likely scenario is we wouldn't be able to trade for him unless he'd leverage his way here, which is looking more and more likely to happen. So I don't see a trade happening where he doesn't extend.

Technically I don't believe he can extend if traded to Portland, right?

Perhaps you just mean a Jermai Grant situation, where he will hit free agency but we're extremely confident he will resign.

Bobby Marks said Brown could get 5 year $295 million from Boston but only 5 year $250 million if he signs or is traded to another team.

 

[Freshtown]

Technically I don't believe he can extend if traded to Portland, right?

Perhaps you just mean a Jermai Grant situation, where he will hit free agency but we're extremely confident he will resign.

Bobby Marks said Brown could get 5 year $295 million from Boston but only 5 year $250 million if he signs or is traded to another team.

can he be signed and traded so he gets the max still?

 

[Hoopguru]

Scoot Henderson is fools gold imo.
The man spent 2 years with ignite and average 17ppg, 43%fg & 27% three's. In today's NBA especially for a small guard you better have better shooting percentages than that, and if he's that talented and NBA ready why hasn't he developed a better shot when given the opportunity?
Young players play to their strengths and shooting isn't one of his.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

can he be signed and traded so he gets the max still?

No, he can only get the $295 million from Boston. He can get "just" $250 million from another team either via trade or leaving in free agency.

Some rumors that Boston won't offer him the entire $295 or will try to get him at a discount which could offend him. Also there is bad blood from them offering him in trade for Durant last summer.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Ok….The Pels move on from CJ

Ant, Nas, 3 and a future first for Ingram

 

[illmatic99]

Ant + 23 + 3 seconds for OG.

Then after July 1 and waiting the required time to count the pick's salary:

Nurk + Nas + #3 (Scoot) for KAT.

Dame
Sharpe
OG
Grant
KAT

 

[Mediocre Man]

Ant + 23 + 3 seconds for OG.

Then after July 1 and waiting the required time to count the pick's salary:

Nurk + Nas + #3 (Scoot) for KAT.

Dame
Sharpe
OG
Grant
KAT

This is fun, but there is only one ball

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Ant + 23 + 3 seconds for OG.

Then after July 1 and waiting the required time to count the pick's salary:

Nurk + Nas + #3 (Scoot) for KAT.

Dame
Sharpe
OG
Grant
KAT

Yeah that actually could make sense. Might have to be a future first instead of the seconds for OG, might need another future first for KAT.

Ant contract instead of OG makes sense for Toronto, and they add a pick with the #23 too. I think Masai has been holding out for huge offers from his players - but he will have to do some type of move eventually.

That Blazer team would have a ton of defensive concerns, injury concerns, cap concerns, and risk it could be a big flop. But starters are certainly a huge upgrade in talent from basically any Dame team of the last decade.

 

[DDolla]

Honk Once for Scoot
Honk Twice for Brandon

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Honk Once for Scoot
Honk Twice for Brandon

Its funny how often this choice is presented on this board and elsewhere.

But the Blazers can't choose, they only get whoever is left of the two.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Fuck off already Toronto

 

[blazerfan11]

What about Amen? They say even if he never improves his shooting he’s still going to be a huge threat attacking the hoop with athleticism we haven’t seen before.
I really miss someone pushing the ball up the court. Simons and Lillard aren’t going to do it. Hart did it. Watford does it, but he’s never going to be a starter.

Plus, at least right now, the Blazers have plenty of outside shooters for him to pass to. And he’s a very good passer. I think it would be murder on defenses. And Sharpe would reach his potential as a full-court and lob threat.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

What about Amen? They say even if he never improves his shooting he’s still going to be a huge threat attacking the hoop with athleticism we haven’t seen before.
I really miss someone pushing the ball up the court. Simons and Lillard aren’t going to do it. Hart did it. Watford does it, but he’s never going to be a starter.

I just see both Brandon Miller and Scoot as clearly superior prospects. At #4 I'd consider Amen. Miller is way more NBA ready, has a way more complete game without weaknesses. Amen doesn't have Scoot dominant upside. Yes he has athletic gifts, but as you say terrible shooting, and he isn't particularly young (he's older than Sharpe).

Yeah we're splitting hairs here - he's still a great prospect. Just can't see any way it makes sense to draft him at #3 over Miller or Scoot.

 

[blazerfan11]

Scoot Henderson is fools gold imo.
The man spent 2 years with ignite and average 17ppg, 43%fg & 27% three's. In today's NBA especially for a small guard you better have better shooting percentages than that, and if he's that talented and NBA ready why hasn't he developed a better shot when given the opportunity?
Young players play to their strengths and shooting isn't one of his.

Passing and keeping his dribble alive to set up teammates is a big strength for Scoot. That's why he isn't fools gold. While his defense isn't good right now, he fights for loose balls on both ends of the floor and can make a perfect bounce pass to a teammate under the hoop while leaping out of bounds after the ball.
The Blazers do not have anyone that passes at that level, but do have a lot of shooters to pass to.

 

[tykendo]

Passing and keeping his dribble alive to set up teammates is a big strength for Scoot. That's why he isn't fools gold. While his defense isn't good right now, he fights for loose balls on both ends of the floor and can make a perfect bounce pass to a teammate under the hoop while leaping out of bounds after the ball.
The Blazers do not have anyone that passes at that level, but do have a lot of shooters to pass to.

Wrong! Dame is a much better passer than Scoot. Get outta here with that disrespect.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Passing and keeping his dribble alive to set up teammates is a big strength for Scoot. That's why he isn't fools gold. While his defense isn't good right now, he fights for loose balls on both ends of the floor and can make a perfect bounce pass to a teammate under the hoop while leaping out of bounds after the ball.
The Blazers do not have anyone that passes at that level, but do have a lot of shooters to pass to.

We already have a young PG who can't defend but can pass the ball... but Ant can at least shoot the lights out. Scoot can't.

Chris Paul was an absolute MONEY shooter at every level. And played defense like none other. I'm pretty confident in saying Scoot is no Chris Paul. We don't have to worry about that.

 

[HansenYang]

I know that the draft is still a month away but I find it telling that we're only working out guys that aren't even projected to be taken around our pick at 45. Most of the guys we've worked out are looked at as undrafted or in the 50s. Obviously we could stretch for one but not one guy in the neighborhood of the 23rd pick and definitely not anyone 2-6. Like I said it's early but it could be telling us a lot.

Have they had more than 1 workout?
The workout tour should start in earnest the first week of June.

 

[illmatic99]

What about Amen? They say even if he never improves his shooting he’s still going to be a huge threat attacking the hoop with athleticism we haven’t seen before.
I really miss someone pushing the ball up the court. Simons and Lillard aren’t going to do it. Hart did it. Watford does it, but he’s never going to be a starter.

Plus, at least right now, the Blazers have plenty of outside shooters for him to pass to. And he’s a very good passer. I think it would be murder on defenses. And Sharpe would reach his potential as a full-court and lob threat.

Sounds like Michael Carter Williams

 

[Natebishop3]

We already have a young PG who can't defend but can pass the ball... but Ant can at least shoot the lights out. Scoot can't.

Chris Paul was an absolute MONEY shooter at every level. And played defense like none other. I'm pretty confident in saying Scoot is no Chris Paul. We don't have to worry about that.

Chris Paul was a HORRIBLE three point shooter during his rookie season, but he massively turned it around and has shot over 40% a couple times.

 

[illmatic99]

Have they had more than 1 workout?
The workout tour should start in earnest the first week of June.

Ya none of the guys projected top 10 workout this early. Usually a week or two before thedraft, they show up. I'm guessing we have like 7 or 8 dudes already schedule to come in. Maybe some for multiple workouts like we did with Shaedon last yr.