We got the #3 pick. Discuss the possibilities. (12 Viewers)

[Predator]

Dwyane Wade was never a great shooter.

Still shot better than Scoot, and wasn't playing at a high level in the NBA post-3pt revolution in 2015 or so.

In the modern game, the only player who comes close is Ja Morant and he shot significantly better from what I recall.

 

[Predator]

I mean... doesn't that go without saying? Would calling him the Lebron/Giannis of PGs make that sit better? He plays a similar type of aggressive, physical, get-to-the-basket basketball. I don't think there's any different expectation of wings than there are of lead guards to be great shooters, it's not like I compared him to Boban...

I mean, it could go without saying, but that's a pretty big factor. If Giannis and/or LeBron weren't 6'8+, they wouldn't be nearly as successful. Teams literally live Giannis wide open at 3 and he just trucks in towards the rim.

LeBron and Giannis could challenge Embiid / Lopez / Rudy Gobert at the rim. Scoot Henderson will fall on his ass if he tries to truck through those guys at the rim. They can attack Jaren Jackson off the dribble. If Scoot did that his shot would end up in the 10th row.

 

[glazeduck]

Still shot better than Scoot, and wasn't playing at a high level in the NBA post-3pt revolution in 2015 or so.

In the modern game, the only player who comes close is Ja Morant and he shot significantly better from what I recall.

This is quite literally how we got Bowie over Jordan and Oden over Durant.

 

[blazerfan11]

Still shot better than Scoot, and wasn't playing at a high level in the NBA post-3pt revolution in 2015 or so.

In the modern game, the only player who comes close is Ja Morant and he shot significantly better from what I recall.

Morant was a 30.7% three-point shooter this season, but took more 3-pointers than any other season (5 per game) in 2022-23.

Even with those dreadful numbers, he has been an All-Star starter the last two seasons, and his team has obtained the #2 seed in those seasons.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[SharpesTriumph]

First time I saw this photo I didn't realize Scoot was sitting down.

Also look at how the front of the pool table is 2 feet shorter than the back.

 

[Ripcity4life77]

Ayton in a Blazer uni made me throw up in my mouth a little -- Ayton might be one of the most overrated players in the league and is a step well maybe 2 or 3 above Ben Simmons as he is at the absolute bottom so much at the bottom that he is a tier all unto himself so anything would be better then him so not saying much.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Ayton in a Blazer uni made me throw up in my mouth a little -- Ayton might be one of the most overrated players in the league and is a step well maybe 2 or 3 above Ben Simmons as he is at the absolute bottom so much at the bottom that he is a tier all unto himself so anything would be better then him so not saying much.

You would rather have KAT?

 

[HansenYang]

Marks only said the 295 vs 250 amounts. Yes what you found is what I remember, that guys such as Siakam and Brown basically can't sign an extension that is in their interest if traded, similar to Grant. We'd have to wait until they are in free agency the following summer to resign them.

Small quibble...
The receiving team only has to wait 6-months until they can extend the contract. If the trade happens July 1, by January 1 the player can agree to an extension prior to hitting FA in the summer.

 

[Natebishop3]

But sure, let's take a top 5 PG ever as the basis for a comparison. Because hey, if he can do it, why not Scoot?!

I didn't bring him up. I was just responding to someone else by saying that he did struggle initially.

My comparisons for him were Rose, Westbrook, and Wall.

 

[HansenYang]

Doesn’t it matter who is available for the 3rd pick? It’s the 3rd pick in 2023 not the future.

I don't follow your question...

Yes, we are talking about the 2023 #3 draft pick. At this point we don't know who that is going to be.
Since the rookie contracts are all slotted, the amount they get paid is going to be the same for whomever the #3 pick is.

The draft occurs in June. The player can sign a contract beginning July 1. By August 1, they are trade eligible (30-days after signing the contract).

My point was that after the #3 pick signs their contract, that player + Little is enough salary to get Bridges back (in August).

 

[blazerkor]

Would they and would you if you were Joe?


I think it's a good deal for them I realize they are giving up their two best players but getting pick 3, Ant and pick 23 might even be an overpay because neither of their two best players has been an all star. For us this makes sense and it leaves us with our TPMLE and all of our future picks starting in 2026 if we guarantee Chicago next year's FRP and send them a second rounder, the GP2 TPE and a new 9.6M TPE from this trade. We would need a backup big and PG.

Dame, Shaedon, Bridges, Jerami, Claxton, Matisse, backup big, backup PG and whoever wins time between Nas, pick 45, Trendon, Mays and the rest.

 

[blazerfan11]

I don't follow your question...

Yes, we are talking about the 2023 #3 draft pick. At this point we don't know who that is going to be.
Since the rookie contracts are all slotted, the amount they get paid is going to be the same for whomever the #3 pick is.

The draft occurs in June. The player can sign a contract beginning July 1. By August 1, they are trade eligible (30-days after signing the contract).

My point was that after the #3 pick signs their contract, that player + Little is enough salary to get Bridges back (in August).

I can’t see Brooklyn being interested in Brandon Miller.
I think all the hypothetical trades that people are coming up with depend on Scoot being available at #3.

 

[Natebishop3]

Would they and would you if you were Joe?
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I think it's a good deal for them I realize they are giving up their two best players but getting pick 3, Ant and pick 23 might even be an overpay because neither of their two best players has been an all star. For us this makes sense and it leaves us with our TPMLE and all of our future picks starting in 2026 if we guarantee Chicago next year's FRP and send them a second rounder, the GP2 TPE and a new 9.6M TPE from this trade. We would need a backup big and PG.

Dame, Shaedon, Bridges, Jerami, Claxton, Matisse, backup big, backup PG and whoever wins time between Nas, pick 45, Trendon, Mays and the rest.

I thought it was already established that they won't.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Small quibble...
The receiving team only has to wait 6-months until they can extend the contract. If the trade happens July 1, by January 1 the player can agree to an extension prior to hitting FA in the summer.

So could Brown extend for 5 years $250 million in 6 months? I thought he couldn't, which is similar to Grant not being able to extend for the full amount thus he is going into free agency.

 

[blazerkor]

I can’t see Brooklyn being interested in Brandon Miller.
I think all the hypothetical trades that people are coming up with depend on Scoot being available at #3.

I don't know why anyone wouldn't want Miller. He has a way higher upside than Bridges. If I weren't so emotionally connected to Dame, I would want us to draft Miller to play the 3, start Ant and Shae in the back court and draft a big with pick 23.

For me though, I think an addition like Bridges along with a guy like Claxton combined with pushing some future draft picks in to bolster our bench would result in a contender.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Would they and would you if you were Joe?
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I think it's a good deal for them I realize they are giving up their two best players but getting pick 3, Ant and pick 23 might even be an overpay because neither of their two best players has been an all star. For us this makes sense and it leaves us with our TPMLE and all of our future picks starting in 2026 if we guarantee Chicago next year's FRP and send them a second rounder, the GP2 TPE and a new 9.6M TPE from this trade. We would need a backup big and PG.

Dame, Shaedon, Bridges, Jerami, Claxton, Matisse, backup big, backup PG and whoever wins time between Nas, pick 45, Trendon, Mays and the rest.

Just reminds me of all the ideas of great starters we were going to trade Norm/Roco/CJ for - then we end up with Didi and Eric Bledsoe.

 

[blazerkor]

I thought it was already established that they won't.

There are reports that they are saying they aren't interested in trading Bridges but it's that time of year... a lot of talk just to drive prices up. I guess we'll see, or someone will beat that offer. I think a lot of us as Blazers fans think that Joe is the one having to go out and sell our pick but I'd be surprised if his phone isn't ringing off the hook from GMs who want the third pick in a three player draft (really 1, 2a, 2b and the rest).

 

[Natebishop3]

I don't know why anyone wouldn't want Miller. He has a way higher upside than Bridges. If I weren't so emotionally connected to Dame, I would want us to draft Miller to play the 3, start Ant and Shae in the back court and draft a big with pick 23.

For me though, I think an addition like Bridges along with a guy like Claxton combined with pushing some future draft picks in to bolster our bench would result in a contender.

I'm just going to be extremely disappointed if we go into next season with Dame and Ant starting again.

 

[glazeduck]

Ayton in a Blazer uni made me throw up in my mouth a little -- Ayton might be one of the most overrated players in the league and is a step well maybe 2 or 3 above Ben Simmons as he is at the absolute bottom so much at the bottom that he is a tier all unto himself so anything would be better then him so not saying much.

Holy hyperbole Batman! Dude... I'm not a big Ayton fan, especially at for his contract, but he is not anywhere CLOSE to the problem that Ben Simmons is, that's just silly. One of them has always been the 3rd (or worse) option on great, championship-level teams and tends to struggle, some, when he's not engaged in the offense. The other was supposed to be THE franchise player and now willingly passes up wide open layups *because*...

 

[blazerkor]

Just reminds me of all the ideas of great starters we were going to trade Norm/Roco/CJ for - then we end up with Didi and Eric Bledsoe.

We aren't dealing with Norm or RoCo and we did get a solid return on CJ. We're dealing with the number three pick in a draft where there is a decided drop after the third pick, Ant who is a young, extremely athletic, knockdown shooting combo guard and another first rounder in this draft. These aren't future firsts, they are players staring GMs in the face right now.

I've already said this, I really want to win with Dame and I think it is not just possible but probable that we can put a contender around him but if other GMs aren't willing to play ball with our picks and give us fair value for them then I know there are GMs that would give us a haul for Dame and that's when we should do that. That being said, I don't think that it will come to that because Scoot and Miller are such badasses, I think GMs are likely annoying Joe right now trying to get in on one of them... which ever one that front office has landed on as a bigger star.

 

[blazerkor]

I'm just going to be extremely disappointed if we go into next season with Dame and Ant starting again.

Cannot happen. It has to be Dame and Shae with Ant on a different team, Ant and Shae with Dame on a different team or if we draft Scoot, it needs to be Scoot and Shae with both Ant and Dame on different teams. Fuck this mini back court shit we've been running for almost a fucking decade now.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I'm just going to be extremely disappointed if we go into next season with Dame and Ant starting again.

I'm fine with DameAnt - If;
1 Miller and
2 Sharpe are here and both develop well! - Those two young guys are 90% of what determines our franchises future and is far more important.

Other things that would make me positive;
3 Watch another rookie at #23 begin developing into a useful player - most years this would be the most exciting offseason addition to our roster. Instead this is a distant third behind seeing Sharpe or Miller develop.
4 Grant is resigned at an amount I don't puke at
5 We sign someone that can play for the MLE (Bruce Brown/ Hartenstein/etc)
6 We get a playable backup center who is taller than 6'9". Hell I just saw old washed up Tristan Thompson with key 4th quarter minutes in the WCF.
7 Sign two more vet minimums that can fill in for injuries or play situationally instead of the joke's we've had on the roster the last few years.

That roster still has a ton of promise, isn't stuck in salary cap hell, can make other moves if a star becomes available, has nearly all of its future firsts, and might be able to make some real noise if Miller/Sharpe begin to pop.

Thats way more exciting than sending out Ant/#3 for an irrelevant OG/Siakam - just so you lose your DameAnt duo.

 

[blazerfan11]

For me, it’s not that Simons and Dame are small. It’s that both like to walk the ball up the court and neither seems interested in running with Shaedon Sharpe or looking for Sharpe on baseline lobs. It was pathetic how few half-court lob looks that Sharpe had last season. The Blazer would throw one, which would be successful, then that would be it for the game.

 

[blazerfan11]

I'm fine with DameAnt - If Miller and Sharpe are here and both develop well! - Those two young guys are 90% of what determines our franchises future and is far more important.

Other things that would make me positive;
Watch another rookie at #23 begin developing into a useful player - most years this would be the most exciting offseason addition to our roster
Grant is resigned at an amount I don't puke at
We sign someone that can play for the MLE (Bruce Brown/ Hartenstein/etc)
We get a playable backup center who is taller than 6'9". Hell I just saw old washed up Tristan Thompson with key 4th quarter minutes in the WCF.
Sign two more vet minimums that can fill in for injuries or play situationally instead of the joke's we've had on the roster the last few years.

That roster still has a ton of promise, isn't stuck in salary cap hell, can make other moves if a star becomes available, and might be able to make some real noise if Miller/Sharpe begin to pop.

Thats way more exciting than sending out Ant/#3 for an irrelevant OG/Siakam - just so you lose your DameAnt duo.

Nobody seems to think about finding a partner for Sharpe.
That’s exactly what I’d be doing after lucking out on getting the 3rd pick.

 

[tykendo]

Would they and would you if you were Joe?
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I think it's a good deal for them I realize they are giving up their two best players but getting pick 3, Ant and pick 23 might even be an overpay because neither of their two best players has been an all star. For us this makes sense and it leaves us with our TPMLE and all of our future picks starting in 2026 if we guarantee Chicago next year's FRP and send them a second rounder, the GP2 TPE and a new 9.6M TPE from this trade. We would need a backup big and PG.

Dame, Shaedon, Bridges, Jerami, Claxton, Matisse, backup big, backup PG and whoever wins time between Nas, pick 45, Trendon, Mays and the rest.

Plus you still have potential with this deal to unlock the future picks and pick up another potential big time asset.

 

[BBert]

That's how Joe will have this thing. He'll have trades with different teams, he'll have set A bidding for Scoot and Set B bidding for Miller. As soon as a decision is made by Charlotte he'll hopefully try to bump the value up even further but having seen the way Joe operates, he'll likely just go with who he already agreed with from Set A or B. If Jaylen Brown says he's only playing here then Joe will probably have one deal that sends Ant somewhere else with Scoot and whoever Ant fetches going to Boston and something that just sends Ant and Miller to Boston. I think Cronin plans ahead. I think he gets his ducks in a row and just like it played out last year around the draft with Jerami, I think a lot of people will be cool (not blown away but cool) with what Joe gets done.

And a set C if some team wants someone else at #3.

There's no way they go into draft night without 20 different scenarios lined up.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Nobody seems to think about finding a partner for Sharpe.
That’s exactly what I’d be doing after lucking out on getting the 3rd pick.

Super simple.

Sharpe needs BPA so the roster builds up the talent. Thats clearly whoever is still there for Scoot/Miller. Either can fit in a lineup great with Sharpe the next decade. No "finding a partner" is needed; just draft BPA.

 

[tykendo]

Nobody seems to think about finding a partner for Sharpe.
That’s exactly what I’d be doing after lucking out on getting the 3rd pick.

Dame is great, and a perfect backcourt mate for Sharpe. We all hope Shaedon is gonna be that much more ready at the start of next season. Dame was already lobbing it to Shaedon successfully since you put so much on the freakin' lob. Plus Dame has outstanding court vision to thread the needle wherever Sharpe is. When Dame retires, Shaedon will still be young (25-26) potentially . Sharpe needs to be the partner Dame needs. Dame will get Sharpe the ball. It's on Sharpe to get it done whether it be scoring, or assisting once the ball comes his way. Where Sharpe has the potential to make the backcourt more lethal is because he has the size Ant does not. And Sharpe proved to be a very good rebounder on the offensive end.

 

[blazerfan11]

Super simple.

Sharpe needs BPA so the roster builds up the talent. Thats clearly whoever is still there for Scoot/Miller. Either can fit in a lineup great with Sharpe the next decade. No "finding a partner" is needed; just draft BPA.

Either of those guys would be a good fit with Sharpe.