We got the #3 pick. Discuss the possibilities.

[SharpesTriumph]

i think this is just the current version of "lets get small market star into big(ger) market!" crap.

Miami has nothing that the Blazers should want for Damian (that Miami would be willing to trade), if it comes to the point where he wants to be traded.

Absolute garbage.

Herro is decent, but his contract is wonky and if he's the best of what they get in return, they should close up shop and move the team to Winnipeg. Robinson is hot garbage. He peaked in his 2nd year.

Heat were mediocre all season then as soon as Hero gets dumped out of the lineup for 38 year old Lowry they become the best team in the East. I'd much prefer Ant as well as his contract over Hero.

Now I do think theres a possibility if certain events happen or don't happen the Blazers could explore Dame trades. But theres no way they send him off for a pile of Heat junk.

The Knicks or Nets could actually make realistic offers - they have a ton of picks. But the Heat fantasy is beyond stupid.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

The media needs content and the possibilities of small market teams surrendering assets for pennies on the dollar to goose the hopes of larger fan bases is a well established go to move this time of year. A fleecing rumor doesn't need to make sense to capture attention/make money.

STOMP

There are big markets that could put together realistic offers - New York, Brooklyn, Houston, Boston, Golden State. But that Miami idea is ridiculous. We'll probably end up hearing some ridiculous Lakers offers as well.

 

[inconceivable]

Windy said Houston wants to win now, their ownership is pushing very hard for it, so they want vets not another lottery pick.

My opinion that aligns to much of what we've heard including them trying to sign Harden, signing Ime as coach, and concerns they already have the max number of players on rookie contracts aiming for touches-extensions-etc that a franchise should have. Honestly I've thought Houston could even make offers for Dame, but I just don't think the Blazers will be ready to switch to considering Dame offers by the time that #4 pick is made.

Windy didn't provide as many details on Detroit, I think he said they have a lot of rookie contract players already and might prefer more veteran talent or future picks instead.

Dame will not be happy if we trade him to Houston

 

[Pinwheel1]

Dame will not be happy if we trade him to Houston

I have a feeling that when Dame sees the deals that are being offered for him, staying in Portland will look about the same, even if we keep our pick.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

“Once Jayson Tatum was injured, was the entire game plan to send Jaylen Brown to his left?” – Dan “That’s always the game plan.” – Caleb Martin

 

[damianlillard]

We can send Dame to Boston, brown to the rockets, and we get #4 pick and future picks

 

[wizenheimer]

My guess is your partially right. But guys like Windhorst are very plugged in all around the league. So he might also be hearing about Portland discussing trades for #3 which I suspect the Blazers are discussing more than is normal for the team at #3. Then teams are kind of making assumptions with Lillards prior comments.

if, as many people are saying, it's a 3 person draft with Scoot/Miller on a tier above the rest...and with that tier having a PG when a lot of teams need a PG; and a wing shooter, when a lot of teams need a wing shooter....well then my thinking is that there would be a lot more calls than normal to a team holding the 3rd pick, especially when it's out there that Portland MIGHT be willing to trade that pick. I think the phones are ringing in Cronin's office

Dame has obviously made his druthers known to Cronin. But I do not believe he's anywhere close to saying 'trade-the-pick-or-else'. He wants some veteran help for sure. Just like he wanted OG a year ago but realized the asking price was too high...in fact, ridiculous.

this is mainly why I'd look at the possibility of Portland chasing a player like DeRozan. His price would be much lower and certainly wouldn't include the #3. But he's a veteran who Dame has a relationship with. He's also still really good as a scorer; and unlike Ant actually has consistent PG and facilitation skills. And he's an actual wing. Yeah, his defense is average at best, and probably worse than that. But you can't have everything. Plus, he offers the opportunity for the Blazers to get rid of that boat-anchor encumbrance on all their first round picks. Also, he'd almost certainly be willing to re-sign in 2024 for a hell of a lot less than Brown/Siakam would

I think adding a player like Derozan would go a long way in mollifying Dame and it would allow the Blazers to add the talent (hopefully) of a 3rd pick.

and I would imagine there are some other possibilities for adding a veteran(s) similar to DeRozan, maybe a little less impact...especially if the Blazers can time things such that they can use their full MLE again

 

[Pinwheel1]

and unlike Ant actually has consistent PG and facilitation skills.

I like your post except for this one small part. I think if DeRozan was forced to be the PG for a length of time, he would also struggle with consistency when teams game planned against it.

 

[BankTeller]

if, as many people are saying, it's a 3 person draft with Scoot/Miller on a tier above the rest...and with that tier having a PG when a lot of teams need a PG; and a wing shooter, when a lot of teams need a wing shooter....well then my thinking is that there would be a lot more calls than normal to a team holding the 3rd pick, especially when it's out there that Portland MIGHT be willing to trade that pick. I think the phones are ringing in Cronin's office

Dame has obviously made his druthers known to Cronin. But I do not believe he's anywhere close to saying 'trade-the-pick-or-else'. He wants some veteran help for sure. Just like he wanted OG a year ago but realized the asking price was too high...in fact, ridiculous.

this is mainly why I'd look at the possibility of Portland chasing a player like DeRozan. His price would be much lower and certainly wouldn't include the #3. But he's a veteran who Dame has a relationship with. He's also still really good as a scorer; and unlike Ant actually has consistent PG and facilitation skills. And he's an actual wing. Yeah, his defense is average at best, and probably worse than that. But you can't have everything. Plus, he offers the opportunity for the Blazers to get rid of that boat-anchor encumbrance on all their first round picks. Also, he'd almost certainly be willing to re-sign in 2024 for a hell of a lot less than Brown/Siakam would

I think adding a player like Derozan would go a long way in mollifying Dame and it would allow the Blazers to add the talent (hopefully) of a 3rd pick.

and I would imagine there are some other possibilities for adding a veteran(s) similar to DeRozan, maybe a little less impact...especially if the Blazers can time things such that they can use their full MLE again

Agree with some things you said, disagree with some of the things you said.

I also don't believe Dame's anywhere close to implying he's gone if we didn't trade the pick.

I don't agree with bringing in Derozan just to appease him. The Blazers already did enough kissing ass by signing his cousin who was a career 7.6ppg through four years of college. Derozan is a decent playmaker but doesn't defend well and can't shoot the 3. He's not someone we need. I'd argue we are just as likely to be a lotto team with him in place of Hart.

 

[tykendo]

i think this is just the current version of "lets get small market star into big(ger) market!" crap.

Miami has nothing that the Blazers should want for Damian (that Miami would be willing to trade), if it comes to the point where he wants to be traded.

Absolute garbage.

Herro is decent, but his contract is wonky and if he's the best of what they get in return, they should close up shop and move the team to Winnipeg. Robinson is hot garbage. He peaked in his 2nd year.

After Miami gets pummeled, it's time for them to rebuild. Eat it South Beach.

 

[Natebishop3]

We can send Dame to Boston, brown to the rockets, and we get #4 pick and future picks

That's where I have landed. I think that makes the most sense. But the Rockets are going to need to send out some salary to match up if they want to have the space to get Harden as well.

 

[inconceivable]

That's where I have landed. I think that makes the most sense. But the Rockets are going to need to send out some salary to match up if they want to have the space to get Harden as well.

Clyde became all time great blazer, went to the rockets, wins a ring

Dame becomes all time great blazer, goes to the rockets, wins a ring

How poetic

 

[Natebishop3]

This seems fair to me.

Celtics get Dame to pair up with Tatum.
Rockets get Brown to pair up with Harden (if he signs)
We get the 4th pick so we can take one of Miller/Scoot and Amen. We also get Jabari Smith Jr to put with our young core.
We can also flip Simons/Nurk and maybe even Grant in a sign and trade.

Amen
Sharpe
Miller
Smith Jr
???

 

[Whyachi]

I have a feeling that when Dame sees the deals that are being offered for him, staying in Portland will look about the same, even if we keep our pick.

There's always the trade deadline. The Blazers might get an offer they can't refuse for Lillard. Then the GM can snuggle up and smile with his warm blanket of brown nosing media reporters, and blab about using flexibility and cap space to grab future assets while bringing in players we've never heard of that fit Chauncey's system.

 

[glazeduck]

This seems fair to me.

Celtics get Dame to pair up with Tatum.
Rockets get Brown to pair up with Harden (if he signs)
We get the 4th pick so we can take one of Miller/Scoot and Amen. We also get Jabari Smith Jr to put with our young core.
We can also flip Simons/Nurk and maybe even Grant in a sign and trade.

Amen
Sharpe
Miller
Smith Jr
???

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If we're sending Dame to Boston*, we better damn-well get those BKN picks back...

 

[SharpesTriumph]

We can send Dame to Boston, brown to the rockets, and we get #4 pick and future picks

Good idea. Yes I always hear posters here say how untradeable Dame is because team X will give up asset Y that doesn't make sense immediately to Portland.

Thats why there could be 3 or 4 team trades. Dame could be traded entirely for picks or entirely for win now veteran or for a combo in-between. The return the Blazers get could be completely different than what the team acquiring Dame gives up.

 

[Natebishop3]

If we're sending Dame to Houston, we better damn-well get those BKN picks back...

Dame isn't going to Houston.

Dame is going to Boston. Brown is going to Houston.

 

[glazeduck]

Dame isn't going to Houston.

Dame is going to Boston. Brown is going to Houston.

That's what I get for multitasking... I think the point remains, need those unprotected picks from BKN if we're pushing 'reset'... Love the idea of pairing Smith, Sharpe and Scoot though!

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Agree with some things you said, disagree with some of the things you said.

I also don't believe Dame's anywhere close to implying he's gone if we didn't trade the pick.

I don't agree with bringing in Derozan just to appease him. The Blazers already did enough kissing ass by signing his cousin who was a career 7.6ppg through four years of college. Derozan is a decent playmaker but doesn't defend well and can't shoot the 3. He's not someone we need. I'd argue we are just as likely to be a lotto team with him in place of Hart.

Yeah I don't think DeRozen really gets us closer to contend. Maybe it helps with the playoff spot. If we can get off Nurk's contract then I'm for it. If we give up Ant I want assets back.

If you think of DeRozen as more just salary filler to either dump Nurk's deal or get assets for Ant then its probably fine to acquire him. But yes, it shouldn't be because he's a starter to get this team towards contention.

 

[wizenheimer]

I like your post except for this one small part. I think if DeRozan was forced to be the PG for a length of time, he would also struggle with consistency when teams game planned against it.

I didn't say he could be a full time PG. I'm saying he has the court vision and passing ability of a PG from the wing position. Ant's court vision and passing is remedial at best

When DeRozan was in San Antonio, he averaged 6.5 assists vs 2.4 turnovers. That was a 2.65 assist/turnover ratio...from a wing. Does anybody believe Ant could come anywhere close to that? CJ just had is best season as a PG/assist-man. He averaged 5.7 assists while posting a 2.3 assist/turnover ratio; he had a PER of 15.6 and a TS% of .541. While DeRozan was posting superior PG numbers his last 2 seasons in SA, his PER was around 22.0 and his TS% was around .600

safe to say, at least at this point, CJ is better at the PG things than Ant. Obviously, none of the three are a PG, but having the kind of court vision and facilitation DDR would bring, at the wing, would be a big change for Portland. They haven't had anything like that since Batum, and he was never as good as DDR

 

[Natebishop3]

That's what I get for multitasking... I think the point remains, need those unprotected picks from BKN if we're pushing 'reset'... Love the idea of pairing Smith, Sharpe and Scoot though!

I think that's already a lot for Houston to be sending out. The 4th pick in this draft (most likely Amen Thompson), the 3rd pick from the last draft, and then we get 3 other picks from Boston and Houston. That's a decent haul.

 

[glazeduck]

I think that's already a lot for Houston to be sending out. The 4th pick in this draft (most likely Amen Thompson), the 3rd pick from the last draft, and then we get 3 other picks from Boston and Houston. That's a decent haul.

Fine, I'll settle for Mobley

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Clyde became all time great blazer, went to the rockets, wins a ring

Dame becomes all time great blazer, goes to the rockets, wins a ring

How poetic

No; they are saying Dame goes to the Celtics and Brown to the Rockets. This actually makes a lot of sense - and from the Rockets end probably more than them acquiring Dame. It also makes sense if the Rockets can or can't sign Harden - as Brown could have value to them in either scenario.

 

[Natebishop3]

No; they are saying Dame goes to the Celtics and Brown to the Rockets. This actually makes a lot of sense - and from the Rockets end probably more than them acquiring Dame. It also makes sense if the Rockets can or can't sign Harden - as Brown could have value to them in either scenario.

I'd take Brown, but I honestly don't think he'd stay here if Dame was gone. It's not worth the risk with him going into free agency. Rather just get the 4th pick and take Thompson.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

This seems fair to me.

Celtics get Dame to pair up with Tatum.
Rockets get Brown to pair up with Harden (if he signs)
We get the 4th pick so we can take one of Miller/Scoot and Amen. We also get Jabari Smith Jr to put with our young core.
We can also flip Simons/Nurk and maybe even Grant in a sign and trade.

Amen
Sharpe
Miller
Smith Jr
???

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I think Portland probably makes out too well in this. Likely more fair if Boston gives up one less pick and Houston gives up either one less pick or one less player. Would love if I'm undervaluing the Blazers return but that just seems more fair to all teams. The premise Dame for #4, young player, pick, etc is a decent haul and makes sense for all teams.

I think the Blazers will be holding out to acquire Brown/Bridges at the draft to pair with Dame - so I don't think they pivot to trading Dame so quickly. Then there becomes a big risk Houston either trades the pick to another team or drafts a different player than whom the Blazers would want.

Maybe if the Blazers are high on Scoot, know he will be there at #3, and know they won't have acceptable trade offers for him, and it kind of forces their hand to do a PG trade. But if its Miller at #3 I see the Blazers just running it back before they do this type of trade shipping out Dame at the draft.

 

[wizenheimer]

Agree with some things you said, disagree with some of the things you said.

I also don't believe Dame's anywhere close to implying he's gone if we didn't trade the pick.

I don't agree with bringing in Derozan just to appease him. The Blazers already did enough kissing ass by signing his cousin who was a career 7.6ppg through four years of college. Derozan is a decent playmaker but doesn't defend well and can't shoot the 3. He's not someone we need. I'd argue we are just as likely to be a lotto team with him in place of Hart.

ok...you're right that we don't agree and I think you're way too dismissive of DDR's talent

by the way, even without that three point shot, DDR is a 6-time all-star including the last 2 seasons; a 3 time all-NBA choice including last season; a 14 time player of the week, and a 3 time player of the month. When was the last time Portland even had a 1 time all-star, besides Dame, that was 6 months removed from his last appearance? Last season DDR averaged 25-5-5. He's not the chopped liver you imply he is

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I didn't say he could be a full time PG. I'm saying he has the court vision and passing ability of a PG from the wing position. Ant's court vision and passing is remedial at best

When DeRozan was in San Antonio, he averaged 6.5 assists vs 2.4 turnovers. That was a 2.65 assist/turnover ratio...from a wing. Does anybody believe Ant could come anywhere close to that? CJ just had is best season as a PG/assist-man. He averaged 5.7 assists while posting a 2.3 assist/turnover ratio; he had a PER of 15.6 and a TS% of .541. While DeRozan was posting superior PG numbers his last 2 seasons in SA, his PER was around 22.0 and his TS% was around .600

safe to say, at least at this point, CJ is better at the PG things than Ant. Obviously, none of the three are a PG, but having the kind of court vision and facilitation DDR would bring, at the wing, would be a big change for Portland. They haven't had anything like that since Batum, and he was never as good as DDR

Dame also dominates the ball with Ant having a scoring focus when he got the ball. DeRozan didn't have anyone dominate the ball, he was the one doing it in San Antonio. I think if Ant was the clear focal point of an offense his assists would be much higher than CJ/DeRozen - possibly even higher than Dame. I'd expect Ant's turnover would be higher so yeah maybe he doesn't hit your ratios - but his scoring would be higher as well.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I'd take Brown, but I honestly don't think he'd stay here if Dame was gone. It's not worth the risk with him going into free agency. Rather just get the 4th pick and take Thompson.

Agreed - Brown only makes sense with Dame, it would be stupid to add him while trading away Dame. Yes there is a much higher flight risk - but even if he agreed to stay or was on a 5 year contract or something I'd trade him away to a 3rd team. Brown just doesn't align with Sharpe/#3 timeline and there would be no way to contend soon so its a very inefficient use of Browns immediate value.

 

[Natebishop3]

I think Portland probably makes out too well in this. Likely more fair if Boston gives up one less pick and Houston gives up either one less pick or one less player. Would love if I'm undervaluing the Blazers return but that just seems more fair to all teams. The premise Dame for #4, young player, pick, etc is a decent haul and makes sense for all teams.

I think the Blazers will be holding out to acquire Brown/Bridges at the draft to pair with Dame - so I don't think they pivot to trading Dame so quickly. Then there becomes a big risk Houston either trades the pick to another team or drafts a different player than whom the Blazers would want.

Maybe if the Blazers are high on Scoot and know they won't have acceptable trade offers for him, and it kind of forces their hand to do a trade. But if its Miller I see the Blazers just running it back before they do this type of trade shipping out Dame at the draft.

I see where you're coming from, but I think Boston makes out like Bandits. They get Dame for Brown/Gallinari's expiring contract, and a couple shitty picks. That's pretty reasonable.

Houston doesn't have to send out KPJ, but I figured they would probably want to try to match salaries so they can still go after Harden. I guess it's really up to them. The 4th pick, Smith Jr, and another pick is reasonable value for Brown.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I see where you're coming from, but I think Boston makes out like Bandits. They get Dame for Brown/Gallinari's expiring contract, and a couple shitty picks. That's pretty reasonable.

Houston doesn't have to send out KPJ, but I figured they would probably want to try to match salaries so they can still go after Harden. I guess it's really up to them. The 4th pick, Smith Jr, and another pick is reasonable value for Brown.

KPJ probably would have to be involved; since this couldn't happen until 7/10, Houston would likely have signed Harden first, so salary matching would absolutely be a concern.