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illmatic99 said:
How many games can this team realistically win with decent health?

Dame / ? /Mays
Sharpe / ?
Grant / Thybulle
Siakam / Watford
Nurk / ? / Eubanks

Let's say we bring back Seth Curry for the MLE and use our minimum on someone like Dwight Powell or Mason Plumlee.

If Sharpe takes a level up to what guys like Jaylen or PG did their second yr (15ppg or so with decent efficiency), I think that team can win 50 games. Nurk is obviously the upgrade spot in the lineup but we could be if we landed a better backup C in free agency.
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If they stay healthy, 50 wins on low side. Siakam is an All NBA talent. And maybe, in need of a new start in a new town. Van Vleet is going into free agency. OG has been pouting since Barnes arrived. Their new coach might fix that, but maybe they want a new young PG if Scoot is there. But i don't get some of the , meh , on Siakam's talent. His ascent as a player was key to their drive for the Championship. Next to Dame it could be special. And he a quality defender. Pascal, Grant, and Nurk is a very nice frontcourt. Add those supporting players, and look out.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I don’t think they said Scoot doesn’t have warts. They think he has the highest ceiling of anyone not named Wemby. He said it’s worth the risk because Scoot can be one of those superstar players. He sees Miller as a Khris Middleton, which is fine, but it’s not a top 10 caliber player.
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Exactly.
 
illmatic99 said:
Maybe I'm drinking the Mike Schmitz kool aid, but I feel like he could turn 13 + 23 in a rotation player. OKC managed to land Jaylen Williams at 12 last yr, and I see a lot of parity in prospects from 6-15 this draft.
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The question that I have is this:

What is Bridges value really?

What is Siakam's value really?

We have the third pick, Simons, Nurk, and some throw ins. How can we get both players? I don't think Bridges is really worth Simons and the 3rd. I don't think Siakam is at all worth the 3rd pick.
 
illmatic99 said:
Also, i think someone like Siakam would be a prime candidate for taking a (slight) paycut next summer. He's not a franchise player and he'd be 30. I don't see him getting more than something like 4/150 in 2024, which would make it somewhat reasonable for us.

Dame -- 49
Siakam -- 37
Grant -- 30
Nurk --- 18
MLE -- 12
FA du jour (Thybulle, etc) -- 10
Shaedon -- 7

Rest as minimums puts us in the ballpark of 170 mil. We'd still be about 8-10 mil from the second apron. Whether Jody would even pay this much is a legit question, but I don't think Siakam's salary should be a deterrant if Dame can sell him on re-signing for market rate next summer.

I have a few more reservations about Jaylen Brown in this regard. He'd warrant a supemax extension and might be a bigger flight risk. And he duplicates a lot of what Sharpe would.
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IMO, as soon as you have Siakam with an extension signed - you start shopping Grant.
 
Gross.

Siakam is an Olshey type move.

He’s about to be a 30 y/o FA.

this has to be coming out of Toronto
 
If the true gem of the trade is #3, what if it was this:

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Then you get Chicago to take #23 and free up our future picks.

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Whether we want to sign Grant is dependent on the money he wants. Maybe see if we can sign-and-trade him back to Detroit or something like that.

Dame
Sharpe
Bridges
Siakam
??? (throw all our MLE at Naz Reid?)
 

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Natebishop3 said:
If the true gem of the trade is #3, what if it was this:

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Then you get Chicago to take #23 and free up our future picks.

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Whether we want to sign Grant is dependent on the money he wants. Maybe see if we can sign-and-trade him back to Detroit or something like that.

Dame
Sharpe
Bridges
Siakam
??? (throw all our MLE at Naz Reid?)
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I love this idea.
I'd be interested in using Grant as a S&T for a C.

Maybe Boston for Robert Williams or Indiana for Turner?
 
AmirIcon said:
Odd logic. There's so much more than that one player that will get you to a championship or not.

And, I'd put Trae, Donovan and Pascal pretty equally on the same level. If you're a bad team, going for the guy with the most star power is always the way to go. The role players like Middleton are secondary. I think Miller would be a better fit, but when you're drafting you don't draft for fit. You do that in free agency/trade market.
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If there’s so much more to it why have something like 29 of the last 31 finals MVPs NOT been PGs?

If it was a marginal factor you’d expect a somewhat equal distribution across positions.

Role player? Khris Middleton? 3x all star? The same guy that they were going to OVER Giannis to close out NBA finals games? That’s one hell of a role player.

And as I said, if I were the Blazers I’d draft Amen if we are ready to move on from Dame. It’s almost unanimous that Amen has the highest potential outside of Wemby, including Scoot, but he’s much more likely to “bust” than Scoot (according to most people, another sentiment that I don’t agree with.)
 
Natebishop3 said:
If the true gem of the trade is #3, what if it was this:

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Then you get Chicago to take #23 and free up our future picks.

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Whether we want to sign Grant is dependent on the money he wants. Maybe see if we can sign-and-trade him back to Detroit or something like that.

Dame
Sharpe
Bridges
Siakam
??? (throw all our MLE at Naz Reid?)
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Now you're talking.
 
Natebishop3 said:
No we are not trading for CJ! Stop trying to speak it into existence Tince!
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illmatic99 said:
Trade him later. Just make sure his 30 mil stays on the books now. Letting him walk would set us back quite a bit more than simply losing a player.
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Let's say my hairbrain scheme happens and we add Bridges/Siakam and we re-sign Grant. How badly would we be in cap hell with Dame/Bridges/Siakam/Grant?
 
Natebishop3 said:
Let's say my hairbrain scheme happens and we add Bridges/Siakam and we re-sign Grant. How badly would we be in cap hell with Dame/Bridges/Siakam/Grant?
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Not nearly as bad as you'd think. Bridges is the real steal that makes it happen because he's on lock for less than what Ant makes for 2 more years. Same with Shaedon on rookie scale.

Might need to pass on a MLE but thats OK. Would need to nail the C replacement at a minimum though
 
illmatic99 said:
Not nearly as bad as you'd think. Bridges is the real steal that makes it happen because he's on lock for less than what Ant makes for 2 more years. Same with Shaedon on rookie scale.

Might need to pass on a MLE but thats OK. Would need to nail the C replacement at a minimum though
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We all like to talk about Naz Reid. But I imagine a lot of people want that guy.
 
What if the cost of Bridges is also taking on Simmons:

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Fez Forthright said:
Gross.

Siakam is an Olshey type move.

He’s about to be a 30 y/o FA.

this has to be coming out of Toronto
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I get the hesitation on him being a free agent in a year. But an Olshey move? When did Neil get us this?

IMO Siakam is the perfect available piece at PF. But yeah getting an all-star to sign with us is risky unless he has been here a while. Portland grows on you but it takes a while.
 
Natebishop3 said:
We all like to talk about Naz Reid. But I imagine a lot of people want that guy.
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I think a center that is available that hasn't been in the public domain yet is Jarrett Allen. His fit with Mobley got exposed in the playoffs. I also think they need some wing depth in his place. Some sort of three way with OG ending up in Cleveland and Allen in POR is my idea. He's a rim protector and strong roller/finisher and owed only 20 mil. Think he can work better than Nurk.
 
RR7 said:
What if the cost of Bridges is also taking on Simmons:

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We also don't really need three picks in the late first round. If this was the best frameworked deal and the Nets refused to include Claxton in any reasonable scenario, I would demand that at least one (preferably both) of those added picks were a future unprotected Philly or Phoenix pick.

The idea there would be that #21 and #22 are determined value and once the pick is made the mystique is gone. However, those future Phoenix/Philly picks could be used in conjunction with PDX's future picks for big all-in move #2.
 
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illmatic99 said:
I think a center that is available that hasn't been in the public domain yet is Jarrett Allen. His fit with Mobley got exposed in the playoffs. I also think they need some wing depth in his place. Some sort of three way with OG ending up in Cleveland and Allen in POR is my idea. He's a rim protector and strong roller/finisher and owed only 20 mil. Think he can work better than Nurk.
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I think the "Jarrett-Allen-type" is what we've dreamed about anyway for the past several years anyway (that's all Claxton is, right?)... might as well explore the option of getting original prototype. I'm not quite as convinced that he is available in a non-overpay scenario, but it would be something I'd certainly check on.
 
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