What if we trade nobody? (2 Viewers)

[SharpeScooterShooter]

We absolutely need more prospects for our rebuild honestly because you've got to play a numbers game on which guys will pop and which guys will bust. A bigger point guard who is around the talent level and age of Jabari or Toumani would be really nice, especially if he came with a conditional first rounder in exchange for Malcolm.

Both Malcolm and Jerami are much more valuable on teams that will be trying to win games in the playoffs this year than they are to us. By the time those that you listed who pop are ready to majorly contribute to playoff wins, I doubt Malcolm or Jerami will be at that level anymore. In the meantime get this generation's version of Earl Watson who Dame has referred to multiple times as a great mentor... we don't need guys who are just a rung below all star and take up so much usage that could be going to our young guys, we just need high character bench vets who understand the game and what being a pro means.

So you want to trade a veteran point guard currently mentoring our newly drafted potential pg of the future… to draft another big point guard???

When this doesn’t happen will you please keep the pissed posts in the meltdown thread and not in every other thread?

 

[blazerkor]

So you want to trade a veteran point guard currently mentoring our newly drafted potential pg of the future… to draft another big point guard???

When this doesn’t happen will you please keep the pissed posts in the meltdown thread and not in every other thread?

I was saying an already drafted second round pick bigger PG. A point guard similar to Jabari and Toumani, a second round treasure. I don't want to go through all of the rosters in the league to give you an example but I was thinking a current NBA player like that and a protected future FRP along with some expirings would be a return I'd like for Malcolm. Maybe one of those expiring contracts could be a high character vet.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

What if we trade nobody?

NO, NOT NOBODY! He's my favorite player!

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

I was saying an already drafted second round pick bigger PG. A point guard similar to Jabari and Toumani, a second round treasure. I don't want to go through all of the rosters in the league to give you an example but I was thinking a current NBA player like that and a protected future FRP along with some expirings would be a return I'd like for Malcolm. Maybe one of those expiring contracts could be a high character vet.

So that player can take minutes from scoot sharpe and ant?

not seeing the logic if, like you said, he is a role player with little chance of becoming an all star.

lateral move.

 

[1 Eye Jack]

I don’t mind vets older vets that only take 10-15 minutes a night and help out young guys develop. If you trade Brogdon or Grant to contender then my hope is they give up a good young player. Similar to what we did with O’Neal for Davis trade. Find that team that needs a player that puts them in contention and fleece them of their stud in the waiting. Who is that player or team “f” if I know hut that’s what I’d be shooting for

 

[HansenYang]

I say keep Brogdon for another year then send him to Milwaukee as Dame Dolla will be ready to come home. Hell he's ready now.

Nope. Bridges have been burnt. There's no returning at this point

 

[BIG Q]

Nope. Bridges have been burnt. There's no returning at this point

I see no Dame in Portland future with Cronin still running the show. That is mostly based on the perception Lillard loathes Joe.

 

[blazedanugz]

If Tyus Jones can be had for multiple seconds, you’d think the market is dry with buyers.
If all you get is a crap first rounder for brogdon…it would be smart to hold onto him

 

[Pinwheel1]

If Tyus Jones can be had for multiple seconds, you’d think the market is dry with buyers.
If all you get is a crap first rounder for brogdon…it would be smart to hold onto him

I think a crap 1st rounder is pretty much the best we can get. Certainly no lottery pick. A contender has the most need for him right now. So a future 1st makes the most sense if the goal is to package enough 1st round picks to overpay in a future trade. Does that strategy fall into all our trade exemptions that were created but were rarely used? Probably, but I can see the reasoning behind it while freeing up playing time for Sharpe when he gets back. No doubt losing Malcolm will make us worse now, but I think that is the goal....for one more half-season. No more than that please.

 

[sheed30]

I haven't said anything is a failure if anything. I suggested we should trade Brogdon for a position of greater need, and ideally someone younger.

There are at least dozens of guys who could fit the bill.

The bill being: as good or better than Brogdon and don't play point guard.

Are they available? No clue.

Is it worth my time to even consider who that might be? Am I at all interested in discussing the merits of such an exercise?

No, and no.

Not something I engage in very often. There are people who enjoy doing that and they are more than welcome to take it on.

Lol this post makes zero sense.

 

[sheed30]

it’s hard to solidify one’s opinion when they continually say we can do this and we can do that but can never answer to the specifics.
@Phatguysrule i wasn’t singling you out as it seems you have assumed based on your responses to posts I made not directed at you.
But this is the forum mo. fans think we need to make moves or its doomsday. But they can’t specify the moves, but then get mad when a move is made they don’t agree with or no moves are made at all. It’s the typical run around every years by some in here.

That’s all man. Nothing more than that.
I just want those who continually get all worked up to provide specifics if they think it’s so needed. But they can’t

all good.

Same exact feeling bro.

It’s just that the negative nancy’s outweighs the positive things people say in here, which is a shame but it is what it is.

 

[Ripcity4life77]

I am going to keep this simple -- IF Cronin does not make any trades this deadline then he is on the one inch line of the FIRE HIS ASS endzone heading into the draft where he would have to pull a super deal out of his ass to save his job. I should say if Jody was smart this would be the case but right now the jury on that one is still out cause I am not sure who really runs this team cause it feels like Vulcan runs it and Jody is just the owner without a voice. I could be wrong but we shall see in the next few days but this is just my opinion and how I feel about it.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

I am going to keep this simple -- IF Cronin does not make any trades this deadline then he is on the one inch line of the FIRE HIS ASS endzone heading into the draft where he would have to pull a super deal out of his ass to save his job. I should say if Jody was smart this would be the case but right now the jury on that one is still out cause I am not sure who really runs this team cause it feels like Vulcan runs it and Jody is just the owner without a voice. I could be wrong but we shall see in the next few days but this is just my opinion and how I feel about it.

 

[Ripcity4life77]

SharpeS -- Emoji is nice but an opinion would be better cause not sure what your saying cause I do not speak Emoji cause I have thoughts I put into words now granted sometimes not great but at least I use the English language using an emoji is just lazy AF.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

There's a lot to like about Malcom and I understand not wanting to trade him for a measly late 1st, but there's an opportunity cost. Scoot must get minutes. So does Shaedon. Can they get 33+ minutes a night with Ant and Malcom on the roster?

The mentorship Malcom provides to Scoot, Shae and even Ant is not without value.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

SharpeS -- Emoji is nice but an opinion would be better cause not sure what your saying cause I do not speak Emoji cause I have thoughts I put into words now granted sometimes not great but at least I use the English language using an emoji is just lazy AF.

yeah? Not reading through the thread and reading the plethora of opinions and thoughts I have posted is lazy AF.
Not repeating myself over and over. Just laughing at the Joe hate.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Lol this post makes zero sense.

I'm sorry if you have reading comprehension problems.

It means we should trade him for a non-point guard if possible. Not a fire sale, but I'd be looking to trade him.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

I'm sorry if you have reading comprehension problems.

It means we should trade him for a non-point guard if possible. Not a fire sale, but I'd be looking to trade him.

Do you think Joe would turn down a good trade for him? I don’t.
Do you think he should trade him now for a marginal return? I don’t.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Same exact feeling bro.

It’s just that the negative nancy’s outweighs the positive things people say in here, which is a shame but it is what it is.

I said nothing negative about the team in this thread. Using my statements or rephrasing my statements to be used in a negative light is not acceptable and will be called out.

If someone has to rephrase or re-state what I say to make it objectionable they're just trying to start shit.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Do you think Joe would turn down a good trade for him? I don’t.
Do you think he should trade him now for a marginal return? I don’t.

Sure, if by marginal you mean even. As long as we're getting an equivalent player at a different position or equivalent value.

All depends on your definition of good and marginal. I've been very clear about what I think we should be looking to trade Brogdon for.

He should probably be traded if we can get fair value at another position or fair draft compensation. My position is very simple. I don't know what other teams are willing to part with and I'm not interested in guessing who that might be.

It doesn't matter how you rephrase or re-state it. My position is not critical of the team.

 

[RR7]

I appreciate the vet leadership that Brogdon brings to the team, and brings to Scoot. I also think if we have two and a half months of it not here, with a deadline trade, we can replace it next season. Brogdon isn't the only veteran in the league. And who knows, one could be acquired in a trade for Brogdon along with a draft pick. Scoot has been working a lot with Pooh Jeter, who himself was an NBA vet. He's not going to go without. I think a mid 1st is fair value, and I would prefer fair value over a need to wait for an overpay. I'm not gonna melt down, but will be annoyed if we hang on to everyone, when this should be an asset acquisition and building season.
Multiple picks will go further, IMO, in turning our team around than one vet for a few months will.

 

[sheed30]

I'm sorry if you have reading comprehension problems.

It means we should trade him for a non-point guard if possible. Not a fire sale, but I'd be looking to trade him.

“If possible” is the key word in all of this.

You’re debating something you don’t know is even there. So we can debate this all day long.

IF a good haul for Brogdon is there, I’m sure Joe would do it. IF not, no need to just trade him for less his value.

He also has one more year on his contract after this. We don’t have to trade him right now.

His value might be higher in the off-season where he will be a rent player for one year on a team trying to get over the hump. His salary this year and next year is the same. Not like his contract gets worse next season.

At the end of the day, people will bash things without even knowing what is actually there to be had for Brogdon.

I think that’s the whole point SharpeScootShooter is trying to say.

 

[sheed30]

I said nothing negative about the team in this thread. Using my statements or rephrasing my statements to be used in a negative light is not acceptable and will be called out.

If someone has to rephrase or re-state what I say to make it objectionable they're just trying to start shit.

Nah wasn’t directed at you, I just meant in general across this forum

 

[Phatguysrule]

Nah wasn’t directed at you, I just meant in general across this forum

The post you replied to was doing so, and had been doing so in a backhanded way earlier in the thread.

I'm sorry to have lumped you in as well.

 

[RonBrewer]

Nope. Bridges have been burnt. There's no returning at this point

Wrong

 

[Phatguysrule]

“If possible” is the key word in all of this.

You’re debating something you don’t know is even there. So we can debate this all day long.

IF a good haul for Brogdon is there, I’m sure Joe would do it. IF not, no need to just trade him for less his value.

He also has one more year on his contract after this. We don’t have to trade him right now.

His value might be higher in the off-season where he will be a rent player for one year on a team trying to get over the hump. His salary this year and next year is the same. Not like his contract gets worse next season.

At the end of the day, people will bash things without even knowing what is actually there to be had for Brogdon.

I think that’s the whole point SharpeScootShooter is trying to say.

Yep. My posts specifically said for equivalent or better value. I have repeatedly specifically said "not a fire sale". But bringing Brogdon back next season would be a slight checkmark in the negative column for me, especially if he keeps playing big minutes at PG.

The concern is that he has been so injury prone that the longer we keep him the less likely we are to get much value. Also, as Scoot improves the need to trade Brogdon will become more apparent and that will also hurt his value.

With Brogdon, it's kind of a cash in while you can moment, IMO. The best value you can get now is likely to be the best value we'll ever be able to get from him.

 

[blazerkor]

Yep. My posts specifically said for equivalent or better value. I have repeatedly specifically said "not a fire sale". But it bringing Brogdon back next season would be a slight checkmark in the negative column for me, especially if he keeps playing big minutes at PG.

The concern is that he has been so injury prone that the longer we keep him the less likely we are to get much value. Also, as Scoot improves the need to trade Brogdon will become more apparent and that will also hurt his value.

With Brogdon, it's kind of a cash in while you can moment, IMO. The best value you can get now is likely to be the best value we'll ever be able to get from him.

I don't think Malcolm or Jerami will ever have higher value than they do right now. I really hope we capitalize on this moment. I really think it's the prudent thing. The lessons the both can impart have been taught and I don't care how bad it will make us for the rest of the season. Once Dame was traded and then Jrue was traded it was obvious that Joe is playing the long game and I hope he still has his sights further down the road than a lot of fans in this forum seem to.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I don't think Malcolm or Jerami will ever have higher value than they do right now. I really hope we capitalize on this moment. I really think it's the prudent thing. The lessons the both can impart have been taught and I don't care how bad it will make us for the rest of the season. Once Dame was traded and then Jrue was traded it was obvious that Joe is playing the long game and I hope he still has his sights further down the road than a lot of fans in this forum seem to.

I think Grant is less pressing, but yes, I agree.

 

[MickZagger]

If Tyus Jones can be had for multiple seconds, you’d think the market is dry with buyers.
If all you get is a crap first rounder for brogdon…it would be smart to hold onto him

A true rebuild you’d want to collect as many picks as possible. It opens doors to be very flexible in future trades and allows to find good players in the draft, if they do their homework. Presti and Ainge have been successful at this.

However, with the drafting of Kris Murray in the first round I’m not so sure I completely trust our front office to knock it out of the park in the draft. He has zero upside and is most likely on his last NBA contract

 

[blazerkor]

I think Grant is less pressing, but yes, I agree.

If the offers aren't there neither has to be traded but I think the offers will be and I think if we wait the offers down the line, even at the draft won't be as good for either of them. Obviously Malcolm creates playing time problems for our prospects with the most upside but Jerami might create even bigger stumbling blocks to their growth because when he gets the ball they're not likely to get any kind of rep that possession.

Oh well, we'll see shortly how this thing goes. If either is on the team it will be a headscratcher for me. I don't see the value in wins this season and I definitely don't see the value of sitting someone for the rest of the season who is 30 years old or more unless you're trying to build an immediate winner around that player.