What it will take to get Stotts fired?

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jlprk said:
The immaturity here is disgusting. When a change needs to be made, grow up!

When I was 3, I might cry if Mommy left me alone with strangers. You guys' fearful emotional clinging make me now look like a rock of strength.

Buck up! AM I THE ONLY MAN HERE?
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I'm sorry you forgot to buy tissue....and need a change...my grandson needed one ten minutes ago. It was fearful and emotional and now looks like a soiled rock of strength!...I like to be thought of as Alpha Man here but I'll let you have the MAN title until you grow into the Alpha staturs! The Blazers are not moving to Seattle....now matter how much you want this...they're not!
 
riverman said:
To me it's a collective thing ...the whole staff and roster have to do this....but I also believe a players coach coaches and game plans before a game, not during a game...during a game our players are responsible to play the game the right way....Stotts never micro manages a game like Stan Van Gundy or Popovich...Dame is the floor general at gametime....Stotts will review it all after the fact and coach the next practice....he trusts the roster to execute....a lot of fans want a Bobby Knight type coach....I can't stand those guys....the reason I think we have a high character team is the demeanor of the coaching staff and trust between them and players...I"m a fan of our setup. It's not a popular take around here and never has been. I get that..it's how I feel about the team though. Players love Terry because he stays even keeled win or lose...I also never get angry if we lose a game. My biggest stress is that I don't want the team to move out of Portland at this point....everything will change for a long stretch as far as next season and basketball economics go...it's a strange time for sports. I would like to add a serious defensive coordinator to the bench next season...we had a poor defensive season this year
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So if the coach is coaching a scheme/plan/strategy and the players don't listen or execute, then he is an ineffective coach that the players aren't respecting and again, needs to go.
 
TBpup said:
So if the coach is coaching a scheme/plan/strategy and the players don't listen or execute, then he is an ineffective coach that the players aren't respecting and again, needs to go.
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that's the popular take but not mine....because I disagree that they don't listen...and think they try to execute and make mistakes...they get outplayed on the court..throw a bad pass..miss a rebound clank shots possession after possession...Stotts just doesn't scream at them for it.......I'm also not uber competitive about sports like some....winning it all isn't necessary for me to really enjoy a season and cheer. It doesn't ever piss me off....refs piss me off. I think we had a great run to get the 8th seed and now we're out of steam and hobbled...firing Stotts won't change that..maybe he gets fired but I won't celebrate that. I like the direction of the team....most forum members don't. I don't get caught up in that angst.
 
riverman said:
that's the popular take but not mine....because I disagree that they don't listen...and think they try to execute and make mistakes...they get outplayed on the court..throw a bad pass..miss a rebound clank shots possession after possession...Stotts just doesn't scream at them for it.......I'm also not uber competitive about sports like some....winning it all isn't necessary for me to really enjoy a season and cheer. It doesn't ever piss me off....refs piss me off. I think we had a great run to get the 8th seed and now we're out of steam and hobbled...firing Stotts won't change that..maybe he gets fired but I won't celebrate that. I like the direction of the team....most forum members don't. I don't get caught up in that angst.
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I can appreciate your love of the team and not having a title as the ultimate goal. Perhaps it is the direction where we differ. To me it has stagnated. Yes, last year we made the conference finals but that had as much to do with Anfernee defying the coach making a lineup he thought would lose and we ended up with the much softer side of the playoff bracket. But look at Denver this post season...that seems like a fluke as well.
 
I don't think of Popovich as a micromanager at all. I would classify him as a players' coach but also someone who is knowledgeable and passionate and respected by his players.
 
PCmor7 said:
I don't think of Popovich as a micromanager at all. I would classify him as a players' coach but also someone who is knowledgeable and passionate and respected by his players.
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I think he is....you make a mistake you're on the bench under Pop....see Tony Parker...he's mellowed with his last couple seasons so it's more early Pop...he would get really angry..Stotts lets guys play on...Pop probably wasn't the best example....Tom Thibideau would be a better example
 
Wade Garrett said:
@BonesJones and all....
I have never been a "fire the coach" guy. It is NEVER that simple. In any sport.
This year, I have begun to question Stotts, and, I honestly can respect some of the criticism he receives.
But.............
Last night, when I see a coach, who's team is up 30, get a technical, then that had me questioning the head coaches "heart".
Frank Vogel, emotionally involved, getting a "T"....while polite tear-bear actually looked confused as his team is just getting smoked.
The switching on EVERYTHING defensively is embarrassing.
I like Terry Stotts. I think his critics like him. He is a very good dude.
But, it is time for a change in RipCity.
I would fire him first thing Thursday morning. This squad needs a different voice.
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Your right, his critics do like him, he seems like a really good person. It's not like he's some easy guy to hate and that I get some enjoyment out of disliking his coaching, because I dont. I simply see things that I think are an issue that Terry doesnt seem willing or able to fix, that the right coach should be able to. Therefore, I want Terry gone and I want us to go out and find the next Nick Nurse. In the end, I think thatd improve our odds at a championship and that's all I want.
 
Minstrel said:
It's partially his fault but mostly the fault of lacking talent, which you can tag onto Olshey. Stotts may not be turning losers into winners, but he's also not holding back winners. If you replace Stotts but keep the players the same, don't be surprised by more so-so results.

The coach is always the easy scapegoat because he's one guy, which is easier to replace than a whole team. But the whole team is far, far, far more important. Until you have the talent right, replacing the coach is like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
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Most people I see criticizing Stotts aren't casually looking for someone to blame. Most are pointing out very real things happening out on the floor. A lot of the things the point out aren't issues due to a lack of talent or "personnel", but that's the excuse that always gets made up.

We have the worst personnel for switching but we were switching all bubble. Technique getting through screens is 100% teachable but is something this team has struggled with across the board for years. Our offensive set design isnt excised by "personnel", (and if our personnel is struggling with it, that just tells me it should be adjusted, but it's not). Running screens at halfcourt against the trap with a horrible floor setup behind that isnt a personnel error, it's a coaching one.
 
riverman said:
I think he is....you make a mistake you're on the bench under Pop....see Tony Parker...he's mellowed with his last couple seasons so it's more early Pop...he would get really angry..Stotts lets guys play on...Pop probably wasn't the best example....Tom Thibideau would be a better example
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Honestly, if a little micro managing brought us 5 championship rings, I'm guessing we would all be quite fine with it.
 
TBpup said:
  • Dame is a good passer
  • Nurk is a good passer
  • CJ has shown he can be a good passer (when Dame is out)
  • Wenyen in limited minutes shows good passing ability
  • Melo can pass when he wants to
.....and I agree. It's about lack of execution. Whose job is it to get players to execute and follow a strategy/scheme? That to me is JOB #1 of a coach.
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Carmelo is a good passer? The guy has had a massive useage rate the majority of his career and never averaged more than 4.2 assists per game.

Wenyen has 8 career assists. That's a low bar to be labeled to have good passing abiilty.
 
Tince said:
Carmelo is a good passer? The guy has had a massive useage rate the majority of his career and never averaged more than 4.2 assists per game.

Wenyen has 8 career assists. That's a low bar to be labeled to have good passing abiilty.
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It has nothing to do with assists numbers, but rather the ability to make a good decision. Certainly, Wenyen's have been in extremely limited minutes, but you seem him make the proper pass or rotation even when he may have a good shot to create a better on. Same with Melo. Not saying that it happens often. CJ has the ability to pass much more than he does as well as exemplified by what often happens when Dame is out...but that isn't obvious from career numbers.

Some people have that knack more so than others. Whether that is taken advantage of is another thing. Wilt Chamberlain, the greatest scorer in NBA history, one season decided to lead the league in assists. In his first 8 years in the league, he had averaged over 3.8 assists only once. That exploded to 8.6 per game in 67/68. Just because he didn't have huge numbers before didn't mean he didn't have the ability.
 
He should be replaced. Anyone can see he failed. If your team can't play defense (except the brief moments in game one and three), then he should be sacked. NBA coaches allow or support their players to optimize and create. Coaches are really player substitution/matchup specialists.
 
I hear Nate McMillian is available again. Sounds like just what a large group on here wants again.
 
twobullz said:
I can name plenty that want a strict defensive coach aka Nate.
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So Nate is the only strict defensive coach out there in all of the coaching universe? Sounds like you're reaching and fabricating your own narrative buddy. No one on this board has ever said to hire McMillan. That's weak.
 
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Buffalo Custard said:
Does a new coach in Indy mean a roster shake-up as well? Anybody we could vulture?
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Antoni has been rumored, "IF" he becomes coach I could envision significant changes in Indy, perhaps Myles Turner gets traded and one would think they'd want shooters. Would Antoni want Oladipo? Maybe a Boston deal with core being Turner to Boston, CJ to Indy and Jaylen to Portland? Obviously some balancing and perhaps POR adding incentive might have to be added
 
The rumor I saw said Oladipo was going to be available because they don't want to pay him. Not sure they would want CJ's contract if they don't want to pay VIc.
 
A better coach? UNtil there is one available and wanting to take over this team, you dont fire Stotts.

Need to have a solid replacement on deck, or it could very likely just make the team worse.
 
Orion Bailey said:
A better coach? UNtil there is one available and wanting to take over this team, you dont fire Stotts.

Need to have a solid replacement on deck, or it could very likely just make the team worse.
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Decent chance that a "solid replacement" will make himself available once the opportunity to coach Dame opens up.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Decent chance that a "solid replacement" will make himself available once the opportunity to coach Dame opens up.
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This is one of those rare moments where I would be okay with the organization going on the down low to explore that and then make the move.
 
Wish I knew more about Nate Tibbets. The man has paid his dues. I just don't know what the players think of him, what he's good at, etc. Sometimes teams ignore their assistants...when all these HC's were assistants at some point.
 
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