What now? Ownership, etc

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I'm fully aware of what was his quote and what came from the article.

The "definitely" not a local owner is not a given from the article

Who are the pre-vetted local owners? I haven't heard any local Portlander or Oregonian express any interest in any previous NBA franchise purchases.

Terry Porter's group from 2006?

http://www.espn.com/nba/news/story?id=2410098

 

[julius]

Who are the pre-vetted local owners? I haven't heard any local Portlander or Oregonian express any interest in any previous NBA franchise purchases.

Terry Porter's group from 2006?

http://www.espn.com/nba/news/story?id=2410098

Good to know you hang around billionaires

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

What about Mark Reser?
Tim Boyle?
Travis Knight (Phil's Son aka Chilly-Tee)

 

[SlyPokerDog]

The Mexico City Trail Blazers!

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

The Mexico City Trail Blazers!

Viva Rip Ciudad

 

[dviss1]

A huge problem for the sustainability of the Blazers in Portland is that we don't have that owner who will spend the extra money anymore. How are we going to put a squad together. Don't have money to overpay, players don't like living in Portland.

I mean, why don't you just join the Laker bandwagon?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I mean, why don't you just join the Laker bandwagon?

I'll do that around the same time you start voting for Trump.

 

[BigGameDamian]

The Mexico City Trail Blazers!

How about banning yourself!

 

[SlyPokerDog]

How about banning yourself!

$50.

 

[Chris Craig]

The Mexico City Trail Blazers!

Wouldn't they be Los Pioneros de Cuidad Mexico

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Wouldn't they be Los Pioneros de Cuidad Mexico

Sure.

 

[Chris Craig]

The Mexico City Trail Blazers!

Then Players would really want to sign with the Blazers.

 

[The Professional Fan]

After following this thread closely, I'm not optimistic. Money, money, money, controls all. It does not matter that we're good fans. It does not matter that we have a serviceable arena. Does PDX generate the most money for the NBA? No.

However. There is certainly something to be said about the stain moving the Sonics left on the league. There is certainly something to be said that I do believe Mr Allen put a stipulation in his Will (or whatever it is) that dictates the Blazers stay in Portland. How that plays into new ownership, I do not know.

@EL PRESIDENTE is't entirely wrong. This franchise could make way more money if it moved to Vegas. No lease buy-out, re-location fee, etc would stop it. A loss now is just profit later. It's an investment that would most certainly pay off

All I hope for at this point is Mr Allen bulletproof'd our ability to stay in the PAC NW at a minimum. I'm absolutely petrified. I can't unthink the owners of the NBA salivating at moving this team to Vegas, in particular.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

After following this thread closely, I'm not optimistic. Money, money, money, controls all. It does not matter that we're good fans. It does not matter that we have a serviceable arena. Does PDX generate the most money for the NBA? No.

However. There is certainly something to be said about the stain moving the Sonics left on the league. There is certainly something to be said that I do believe Mr Allen put a stipulation in his Will (or whatever it is) that dictates the Blazers stay in Portland. How that plays into new ownership, I do not know.

@EL PRESIDENTE is't entirely wrong. This franchise could make way more money if it moved to Vegas. No lease buy-out, re-location fee, etc would stop it. A loss now is just profit later. It's an investment that would most certainly pay off

All I hope for at this point is Mr Allen bulletproof'd our ability to stay in the PAC NW at a minimum. I'm absolutely petrified. I can't unthink the owners of the NBA salivating at moving this team to Vegas, in particular.

So by the time the Blazers would get moved to Vegas, they’d have the NFL there already. The NHL will be more established there. Would be a much different market having to compete with the NFL. Im not disagreeing, I just dont think its a given Vegas would be ‘better’ monetarily than Portland.

 

[The Professional Fan]

So by the time the Blazers would get moved to Vegas, they’d have the NFL there already. The NHL will be more established there. Would be a much different market having to compete with the NFL. Im not disagreeing, I just dont think its a given Vegas would be ‘better’ monetarily than Portland.

And I think it absolutely would. I hope I'm dead wrong.

 

[ripcityboy]

After following this thread closely, I'm not optimistic. Money, money, money, controls all. It does not matter that we're good fans. It does not matter that we have a serviceable arena. Does PDX generate the most money for the NBA? No.

However. There is certainly something to be said about the stain moving the Sonics left on the league. There is certainly something to be said that I do believe Mr Allen put a stipulation in his Will (or whatever it is) that dictates the Blazers stay in Portland. How that plays into new ownership, I do not know.

@EL PRESIDENTE is't entirely wrong. This franchise could make way more money if it moved to Vegas. No lease buy-out, re-location fee, etc would stop it. A loss now is just profit later. It's an investment that would most certainly pay off

All I hope for at this point is Mr Allen bulletproof'd our ability to stay in the PAC NW at a minimum. I'm absolutely petrified. I can't unthink the owners of the NBA salivating at moving this team to Vegas, in particular.

I'm not going to sweat it right now. I'm much more concerned about the lineup and the current teams mindset. Like the Vulcans said, Allen's will and assets are going to take "a while" to sort out. In order for us to be able to be relocated, a million things need to happen. A has to follow B and then C and so on.... But if the S2 crew want to folloe El's lead and act like it's a forgone conclusion.... like touching an infected tooth until it becomes abscessed, knock yourself out.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

And I think it absolutely would. I hope I'm dead wrong.

I spent a lot of time in vegas growing up and my experience there was no one really cared about sports they cared about gambling on sports but there were a whole lot of options for entertainment even without sports. Id like to see some actual data on it though.

 

[The Professional Fan]

I'm not going to sweat it right now. I'm much more concerned about the lineup and the current teams mindset. Like the Vulcans said, Allen's will and assets are going to take "a while" to sort out. In order for us to be able to be relocated, a million things need to happen. A has to follow B and then C and so on.... But if the S2 crew want to folloe El's lead and act like it's a forgone conclusion.... like touching an infected tooth until it becomes abscessed, knock yourself out.

I definitely, by no means, believe it's a foregone conclusion. I just think it's foolish to think it's not possible. Especially in today's sports economic climate. One thing we definitely have going for us is we're a serious up and coming market with a great fan base and a good arena. There are a ton of reasons this wouldn't happen, but there are just as many that it could. It's absolutely frightening. Paul Allen meant so much to this franchise.

Think of it like this - "but our owner has unlimited resources and he's a fan, not an owner" - that is gone. It's over. And it matters, tremendously.

 

[The Professional Fan]

I spent a lot of time in vegas growing up and my experience there was no one really cared about sports they cared about gambling on sports but there were a whole lot of options for entertainment even without sports. Id like to see some actual data on it though.

The Vegas Golden Knights and the Vegas Raiders is all the data you need, imo.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

The Vegas Golden Knights and the Vegas Raiders is all the data you need, imo.

Well oakland... I mean have you ever been there...?
Im not surprised the nhl went to Vegas.

HonestlyI think if the Blazers moved it would be up to seattle not NV.

 

[JoshuaHall]

Things like "you have to keep the team in this city for the next 50 years" are simply not enforceable because of the way things can change nowadays in the world. It calls for something that is simply unreasonable when talking about competative markets. The new owners can pretty easily lay out a case of it being anti-competitive and unduly restrictive.

Kolde would be a good person in a group or a behind the scenes guy. However, I am guessing the Vulcans will get rid of him prior to selling the team.

Once again, not true. It is enforceable, if it is within the contract.

You’ve now pivoted to saying “they can’t put it in the purchase agreement”, which is NOT true.

You are correct in the sense that new ownership *could* make a case and not sign the agreement. At which point, I believe, they would walk away from the offer entirely. The Blazers were the equivalent to Paul Allen’s child, per conversations with the man himself.

The lack of guarantee to leave the Blazers in Portland is, in my opinion, a non-starter due to this. The offer wouldn’t even be looked at. Much like offering Meyers Leonard for LeBron, they would go “uhh, you can’t even meet the first basic stipulation of the sale terms,,, leave the Blazers in PDX” and they would hang up.

Look at some of Paul Allen’s investments in tech companies if you don’t believe the power of contracts (and having massive legal teams) and leverage.

You can put a billion stupid, silly, petty things within a contract. If it’s agreed to, no matter how much it may stifle competition, it’s enforceable.

 

[ripcityboy]

I definitely, by no means, believe it's a foregone conclusion. I just think it's foolish to think it's not possible. Especially in today's sports economic climate. One thing we definitely have going for us is we're a serious up and coming market with a great fan base and a good arena. There are a ton of reasons this wouldn't happen, but there are just as many that it could. It's absolutely frightening. Paul Allen meant so much to this franchise.

Think of it like this - "but our owner has unlimited resources and he's a fan, not an owner" - that is gone. It's over. And it matters, tremendously.

Of course it does, but Allen was the "first" of the big money owners. Now every owner in the NBA is a "big money owner." They aren't going to let Mark Davis put a bid in for the Blazers. It will be somebody who is deep in the Forbes wealth index. If we lose Portland to Las Vegas, it will be a staggered connect-the-dots sort of thing. A plus B equals C type of thing. I'm more concerned at the NBA doing studies of how an NBA team would perform in LV now that they have hockey and soon the NFL there. That does scare me. But it's a few years away.

 

[julius]

@EL PRESIDENTE is't entirely wrong. This franchise could make way more money if it moved to Vegas. No lease buy-out, re-location fee, etc would stop it. A loss now is just profit later. It's an investment that would most certainly pay off

They *might* make money. It's not like Vegas is a huge city, it's just the "whats hot this week".

And if the market was such an awesome market, how come there has been ZERO serious talks about an NBA team moving there?

 

[JoshuaHall]

Where are some of you getting the info of what he really wanted for his franchise? Has something been posted online? I think it's possible that Jody keeps the teams together as a package and allows Chris McGowan to manage the franchises. To make it easier to manage it wouldn't surprise me to see her try to move this franchise to Seattle. It's rumored she likes the Seahawks and still wants to be a part of that organization.

There is zero chance Jody keeps the Blazers. She does not like them, to say the least.

 

[Rozay]

After following this thread closely, I'm not optimistic. Money, money, money, controls all. It does not matter that we're good fans. It does not matter that we have a serviceable arena. Does PDX generate the most money for the NBA? No.

However. There is certainly something to be said about the stain moving the Sonics left on the league. There is certainly something to be said that I do believe Mr Allen put a stipulation in his Will (or whatever it is) that dictates the Blazers stay in Portland. How that plays into new ownership, I do not know.

@EL PRESIDENTE is't entirely wrong. This franchise could make way more money if it moved to Vegas. No lease buy-out, re-location fee, etc would stop it. A loss now is just profit later. It's an investment that would most certainly pay off

All I hope for at this point is Mr Allen bulletproof'd our ability to stay in the PAC NW at a minimum. I'm absolutely petrified. I can't unthink the owners of the NBA salivating at moving this team to Vegas, in particular.

Sacramento Kings

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Once again, not true. It is enforceable, if it is within the contract.

You’ve now pivoted to saying “they can’t put it in the purchase agreement”, which is NOT true.

You are correct in the sense that new ownership *could* make a case and not sign the agreement. At which point, I believe, they would walk away from the offer entirely. The Blazers were the equivalent to Paul Allen’s child, per conversations with the man himself.

The lack of guarantee to leave the Blazers in Portland is, in my opinion, a non-starter due to this. The offer wouldn’t even be looked at. Much like offering Meyers Leonard for LeBron, they would go “uhh, you can’t even meet the first basic stipulation of the sale terms,,, leave the Blazers in PDX” and they would hang up.

Look at some of Paul Allen’s investments in tech companies if you don’t believe the power of contracts (and having massive legal teams) and leverage.

You can put a billion stupid, silly, petty things within a contract. If it’s agreed to, no matter how much it may stifle competition, it’s enforceable.

I dont believe anyone would invest billions of dollars into a sports franchise that said you cant move this team. They might have a stipulation there that says we wont move the team for 5 years, or we wont move the team ‘if’ these things happen or ‘if’ these things dont happen.
Most owners are going to want more control over the franchise they bought than that.

 

[The Professional Fan]

They *might* make money. It's not like Vegas is a huge city, it's just the "whats hot this week".

And if the market was such an awesome market, how come there has been ZERO serious talks about an NBA team moving there?

I don't know. I mean, the Kings thing was before Vegas landed an NHL team and an NFL team. I'm just saying. It would be foolish to think it couldn't happen. That's all.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I dont believe anyone would invest billions of dollars into a sports franchise that said you cant move this team. They might have a stipulation there that says we wont move the team for 5 years, or we wont move the team ‘if’ these things happen or ‘if’ these things dont happen.
Most owners are going to want more control over the franchise they bought than that.

Good. Then that should limit the suitors to local investors whose goal is to keep the team in Portland. I am sure they can come up with one fucking group that is interested in that.

 

[MadeFromDust]

Why on earth would the Blazers move to Vegas? A team that has, like, an actual strong and loyal following?

Wouldn't it be a team like the Nets, Hawks, Pelicans etc.? Teams that are lowest every year in attendance?

It would make zero sense for the NBA to move the Blazers.

 

[Rozay]

Why on earth would the Blazers move to Vegas? A team that has, like, an actual strong and loyal following?

Wouldn't it be a team like the Nets, Hawks, Pelicans etc.? Teams that are lowest every year in attendance?

It would make zero sense for the NBA to move the Blazers.

Man these dudes are hella paranoid lol

I’m trynna tell them the Sonics god bless them sacrificed themselves for situations like this. The nba has learned their lesson and don’t want to do that again. Till this day they get backlash from that move.

The nba even backed that up by doing everything they could to keep the Kings in freaking Sacramento. And on top of that the city these guys fear, Seattle, was the city they BLOCKED getting the Kings.

Portland has waaaay more of a known fan base than the Kings.

Don’t worry guys the Blazers aren’t going anywhere