What will it take for Chauncey to get fired?

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A post including X's and O's, what a pleasent surprise. The dude ran drop scheme on Steph Curry in a playoff game, which is ridiculous. Some of the easiest 3pt looks he's ever gotten off designed looks in a playoff game.

He was talking about the Blazers offense, not defense, so I'm not sure what drop scheme has to do with anything. Also, the poster may have attempted to repeat the X's and O's talking points he'd heard before, but what he said happened, clearly didn't. Not sure how any could prop up someone saying that we just "ran PnR after PnR" against GS, when the actual game footage suggests PnR was not used the majority of the time, let alone the only set we ran all game.
 
You’re the one who lives in their mom’s basement without a job. How am I bitter?
I run a company that's done a million dollars in brand deals in this calendar year alone. Don't speak on things you dont know, that's foolish.
 
He was talking about the Blazers offense, not defense, so I'm not sure what drop scheme has to do with anything. Also, the poster may have attempted to repeat the X's and O's talking points he'd heard before, but what he said happened, clearly didn't. Not sure how any could prop up someone saying that we just "ran PnR after PnR" against GS, when the actual game footage suggests PnR was not used the majority of the time, let alone the only set we ran all game.
He brought up defense and I added on.

Dviss knows ball. He coaches, and comes up with his own opinions.
 
He brought up defense and I added on.

Dviss knows ball. He coaches, and comes up with his own opinions.

I can't speak to if he knows ball. I can speak to him inaccurately saying that in the GSW series we just ran "pick and roll after pick and roll". That simply is not factual.
 
I can't speak to if he knows ball. I can speak to him inaccurately saying that in the GSW series we just ran "pick and roll after pick and roll". That simply is not factual.
Well we ran a ton of PnR under Stotts (in my opinion we were too reliant on it which is why the offense regressed so much in the playoffs) and I can't speak for him but I don't think he meant literally every possession.

I just don't understand why people are so hung up on Stotts still. Kinda wild to me that people still bring him up. He was here an exceptionally long time for a coach that never won a conference finals game.
 
I disagree. There are plenty of changes that are more likely to produce better results than not.
It's a pretty loose argument to make, regardless.

Anyway, Coach Stotts in year 12 leading the team through a rebuild would have been something, though. All the coaches that go back further than 2019 have rings (Pop, Kerr, Spoelstra, Malone).
 
Well we ran a ton of PnR under Stotts (in my opinion we were too reliant on it which is why the offense regressed so much in the playoffs) and I can't speak for him but I don't think he meant literally every possession.

I just don't understand why people are so hung up on Stotts still. Kinda wild to me that people still bring him up. He was here an exceptionally long time for a coach that never won a conference finals game.

I don't know what "a ton of PnR" means. 10% or 75%? Regardless, I wasn't responding to the teams PnR usage under Stotts tenure, I was responding to a claim we ran "pick and roll after pick and roll" against Golden St when in fact, we did not run PnR the majority of the time. I then provided clips (that I didn't cherry pick) from the game that backed up that was almost zero on-ball Dame PnR actions. So his memory of what happened against Golden St was not accurate, at all, and therefore is not worthy of praise as a strong X's and O's opinion in my eyes.

You should ask Dviss why he is so hung up on Stotts that he is spreading inaccurate information to make him look worse than he was. I agree with you that it is odd for someone to still being doing that years later. It was bad enough when people were doing it while he was the coach, let alone now.
 
It's a pretty loose argument to make, regardless.

Anyway, Coach Stotts in year 12 leading the team through a rebuild would have been something, though. All the coaches that go back further than 2019 have rings (Pop, Kerr, Spoelstra, Malone).

Respect your opinion, though I stand by my opinion there are some aspects where you can expect positive results from change and there are other areas where you shouldn't.

As I said during Stotts' tenure, I felt the main issue was the roster, not the coaching. If Stotts had to coach this awful roster, we'd still be awful. Though when he was fired, we weren't rebuilding, and we were being told the roster was better than it was. My concern was ownerships approach to buy off on the coach of the team and not the creator of the roster being the main issue. In firing Stotts my concern was that it was going to result in a delay in addressing the main issue of roster construction.

It's probably best Stotts is gone at this point because there is no doubt in my mind people would be pointing to these 25 win seasons as proof that Stotts was actually a bad coach when he was taking Mo Harkless, Aminu, and Kanter to the WCF.
 
I don't know what "a ton of PnR" means. 10% or 75%? Regardless, I wasn't responding to the teams PnR usage under Stotts tenure, I was responding to a claim we ran "pick and roll after pick and roll" against Golden St when in fact, we did not run PnR the majority of the time. I then provided clips (that I didn't cherry pick) from the game that backed up that was almost zero on-ball Dame PnR actions. So his memory of what happened against Golden St was not accurate, at all, and therefore is not worthy of praise as a strong X's and O's opinion in my eyes.

You should ask Dviss why he is so hung up on Stotts that he is spreading inaccurate information to make him look worse than he was. I agree with you that it is odd for someone to still being doing that years later. It was bad enough when people were doing it while he was the coach, let alone now.
He wasn't the one who brought up Stotts.

Yes, they didn't run pick n Roll when Dame came down and went 1v1. Offenses too reliant on iso+PnR are easier to defend in the playoffs. I'm rewatching every offensive possession from game 1 and all I see is an extremely basic offense that's easy to defend. Dame carried it. Anyway, that's over now. Chauncey has his own set of issues. But that doesn't mean we should've kept the old coach forever.
 
Well we ran a ton of PnR under Stotts (in my opinion we were too reliant on it which is why the offense regressed so much in the playoffs) and I can't speak for him but I don't think he meant literally every possession.

I just don't understand why people are so hung up on Stotts still. Kinda wild to me that people still bring him up. He was here an exceptionally long time for a coach that never won a conference finals game.
Because replacing Stotts with our current coach was an exceedingly bad idea.

Stotts got more than anybody should have expected out of those rosters.
 
Stotts relied on Damian Lillard. We won despite Terry's obvious flaws.
Top 5 offense and top 10 defense when he had the horses.

Stotts is a good coach. Maybe not a great coach, but certainly a good coach. We replaced him with a much lower quality coach.

Bad move. Plain and simple.

Now, if we could have brought in a top 10 coach to replace Stotts that could be worth it. I could get behind that. Not a rookie coach with almost no experience.
 
Because replacing Stotts with our current coach was an exceedingly bad idea.

Stotts got more than anybody should have expected out of those rosters.
They didn't choose the right coach to replace him with. But it was also time to move on. Both can be true.
 
They didn't choose the right coach to replace him with. But it was also time to move on. Both can be true.
It was time to move on if there were a better coach to replace him with.

I don't think that was the case.
 
It was time to move on if there were a better coach to replace him with.

I don't think that was the case.
I think there was if the organization was willing to hire a more unknown name like a Chris Finch or a Mark Daigneault. Who knows what other coaches are out there that would excel that just need the chance. Unfortunately, Olshey went with "his guy", and fell into the trap that many teams do in highering a former high-caliber PG and thinking their playing ability and locker room leadership translates to coaching ability.
 
He wasn't the one who brought up Stotts.

Yes, they didn't run pick n Roll when Dame came down and went 1v1. Offenses too reliant on iso+PnR are easier to defend in the playoffs. I'm rewatching every offensive possession from game 1 and all I see is an extremely basic offense that's easy to defend. Dame carried it. Anyway, that's over now. Chauncey has his own set of issues. But that doesn't mean we should've kept the old coach forever.

Nobody ever said Portland never ran PnR or went 1v1, all teams do that. In that Golden St series, we were NOT spamming PnR or 1v1 at an abnormal rate for the league, let alone "pick and roll after pick and roll." We do agree Dame carried that team. Thank goodness we weren't trying to decrease his usage and give it to Harkless, Aminu, and the other guys who were our starters, but out of the league shortly after.

I also agree we shouldn't keep any coach forever. I can't imagine anyone has suggested that though. Have they?
 
Top 5 offense and top 10 defense when he had the horses.

Stotts is a good coach. Maybe not a great coach, but certainly a good coach. We replaced him with a much lower quality coach.

Bad move. Plain and simple.

Now, if we could have brought in a top 10 coach to replace Stotts that could be worth it. I could get behind that. Not a rookie coach with almost no experience.

Terry Stotts being a good coach and him being the reason why we lost in the playoffs aren't facts that are mutually exclusive.
 
I think there was if the organization was willing to hire a more unknown name like a Chris Finch or a Mark Daigneault. Who knows what other coaches are out there that would excel that just need the chance. Unfortunately, Olshey went with "his guy", and fell into the trap that many teams do in highering a former high-caliber PG and thinking their playing ability and locker room leadership translates to coaching ability.
Agreed, however, I think I would have hired one of those guys to put on the staff first. Honestly, I probably would have started talking to Stotts about moving up in the organization and finding his replacement.
 
That's incorrect. You said Portland ran "pick and roll after pick and roll". A PnR is when a player receives a screen while in possession of the ball. Guys receiving a pass after going off a flare screen away from the ball is not the same as a PnR. Your decription of what Dame was doing is not a "roll/pop". Also there was action happening on a lot of plays show in those clips. It should be noted that 5 people moving at all times isn't always a good thing. Sometimes people standing in the proper spaces, waiting for the defense to show their hand, then reacting accordingly is the most dangerous thing.

In this game Portland ran multiple actions in a 5 out set based on the players they had available. Kanter had already been ineffective so basing their offense by putting him at 15ft in the high post (as you were suggesting) would've been playing into his weaknesses and exactly what Golden St would've been wanting.

Answer me this: If Portland was running such an awful scheme, from an awful coach, with a roster of players that were mostly out of the league shortly after, why was Portland able to compete with a team filled with 3 HOFers? Because after we stopped running than awful scheme, with that awful coach, things didn't get better, they got worse.

You can repeat the same narrative about the schemes that the vocal minority has been saying for years, but it is still inaccurate.

You're already incredibly annoying. One of those.

Bottom line, Terry KEPT putting Dame in positions to be trapped. I see you didn't bring up any highlights from the NO series. We played them differently.
 
off the blame Stotts topic for a sec..

Billups runs drop zone defense:
In the 21 Blazer victories, opponents averaged a pathetic 27% 3pt shooting.

Billups runs crash offensive glass:
Only the crusty Utah squad gives up more fast break points then Portland.

defensive structure glitches, offensive set liabilities, benching starters, hiring players that fake injuries, topped off with a stack of 10 rookie/sophmore reserves.

Many of this year's Blazer wins have almost been blind luck. Hoping opponents have off nights is not a good formula.
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it's not all doom & gloom, the Blazers will continue to draft top rookies. The rebuild is proceeding accordingly.

Billups has very high BB IQ. I'm pretty sure Coach can change his schemes as the talent levels improve in Portland.
 
He did worse than Stotts with a very similar roster. Offense was worse and defense was as bad or worse.

He doesn't necessarily need to be fired. I just wanted us to bring in a legit up and coming guy. Going from Stotts to a guy with almost no coaching experience was dumb.
Well on the bright side. He getting some experience now.
 
Terry Stotts being a good coach and him being the reason why we lost in the playoffs aren't facts that are mutually exclusive.
Very true. I'm not claiming he was good in the playoffs. But I really don't think any coach in the league would have taken those rosters further.

If we aren't committed to giving the guy a roster that can win a title I'd rather just keep a quality guy like Stotts around. Should have fired Olshey and brought Stotts back, IMO.
 
Nobody ever said Portland never ran PnR or went 1v1, all teams do that. In that Golden St series, we were NOT spamming PnR or 1v1 at an abnormal rate for the league, let alone "pick and roll after pick and roll." We do agree Dame carried that team. Thank goodness we weren't trying to decrease his usage and give it to Harkless, Aminu, and the other guys who were our starters, but out of the league shortly after.

I also agree we shouldn't keep any coach forever. I can't imagine anyone has suggested that though. Have they?
I don't believe that's the case at all, especially after rewatching the first half of Game 1. They shouldn't have tried to decrease his usage, they should've tried to manufacture opportunities to attack a defense that wasn't fully set and waiting for him and used his gravity to spring other guys for easy shots just like Golden State does with Steph. Rodney Hood and Seth Curry were too of the best offensive bench pieces in the league. Getting Aminu and Harkless higher-quality shots around the rim wouldn't have been a bad thing considering guys had to take some shots...

Some act like Stotts should be going on year 13 as coach next season. That amount of tenure for a coach without a single conference finals win is unheard of.
 
Very true. I'm not claiming he was good in the playoffs. But I really don't think any coach in the league would have taken those rosters further.

If we aren't committed to giving the guy a roster that can win a title I'd rather just keep a quality guy like Stotts around. Should have fired Olshey and brought Stotts back, IMO.
I don't know man, they were in Games 2 through 4 of that WCF running a defense they hadn't played all season long. Sometimes I wonder if they would've been better enough at running something other than drop if they had done so earlier that season. Could've tipped the scales in a couple of those games and made it a series.

What's funny is a lot of Chauncey's stuff looks very similar to Stotts'. Tons of drop, not much ball movement, spamming Jerami Grant mid-post isos (just like Carmelo), too much halfcourt and not enough transition offense...
 

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