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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Sep 4 2006, 06:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Im getting at that Islams kills Christians and we in the end are considered the bad ones.</div>Who am I backing here, because I haven't made it clear yet? Would just like to see your guess.
 
In my opinion, Catholic(Christianity) is the religion that makes sense but yet again...that is the reason that I am Catholic because it makes the most sense to me. If I thought Islam or Judaism made more sense than that would be the religion I would follow.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Sep 4 2006, 09:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So now that i got a quote from the Quran, you say the one the translated it did it wrong?Thats ok,becuase you know its in there...and buddy i know about islam....in egypt they used to burn the beards of the orthodox bishops... They kidnap 18 year old christian and convert them...and PLEASE dont say i made this up....cuz it was all over the news when it happaned</div>OK so you're retarded.Then there's no point in arguing with you.But if you have any other claims, BigMo, ReppinTheD, and I will pleasurably rip you apart in a disscussion.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>You idiots just keep comin up with that stuff right? Well if you haven't found out yet.. I'm muslim. I can read arabic. Did you think? That maybe? An ***hole who doesn't like Islam for some reason misinterperted it? It's in english, smart one. Read a real Qur'An with the real translations from a real, legit place somewhere that is near Jackson Heights, NY or wherever or any real muslim shop. Don't be retarded. And you even misinterpreted the entire thing as it is. Also, don't claim to know more about a religon when you don't follow it.. Just don't, because you know jack sh*t about Islam, I'm telling you that right now and that's judging from your posts. You're one of those christians who read up from some faggoty F*ck (love that word) source that is biased against Islam, and they twist Islam's real meanings. read that legit website Reppinthed posted. don't be stupid.</div>OK, show me the Arabic> What does the Arabic Koran say? How is it different from the English? You're really, really good, you know that?PS- I forgot to add, though, that you're good at calling people stupid without backing it up.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>But if you have any other claims, BigMo, ReppinTheD, and I will pleasurably rip you apart in a disscussion.</div>
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Okkkkk. I love this. "Ripping apart".
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I took on BigMo, you, RtD, and about five other guys for about 10 pages without support.
 
And you lost to BigMo and RTD. I wasn't even in that debate. I just posted something at the end.Please, don't be stupid like the others. The only respect I had for you was that you're weren't a retard. Don't talk about things you don't know. And stop calling it "Koran". That shows how much you know about Islam right now.As for evidence, most of it is on that website.Also, if I was up to you face to face, I would show you the arabic text. But what would the point be? You don't know arabic. learn it yourself if you care so much. If you don't care, then don't post.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Saint Baller @ Sep 5 2006, 02:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Blaze, you forgot me. I'm muslim too.</div>Lol, it's cuz I didn't think you were on here anymore. welcome back.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Sep 4 2006, 06:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I've thought about this alot, and islam almost seems most logical to me. although the extremists ruin the image, islam is realistic to human standards. it aknowledges other religions, but it says that it's the last chance, or something close to it. what i'm saying is based on what i've learned in history and stuff like that. Although baptism does make alot of sense. or the bible does. there's been documents proving the existence of jesus.</div>Yeah, Jesus was real, though his name wasn't Jesus, or so my Religion teacher says, but that doesn't make him the son of god, he could be a crack head, and all his followers who "Witnessed Miracles" were problay high too.J-Dogg and The A-Team ( Apostle Team)
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hang Eleven @ Sep 5 2006, 02:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>OK, show me the Arabic> What does the Arabic Koran say? How is it different from the English? You're really, really good, you know that?PS- I forgot to add, though, that you're good at calling people stupid without backing it up.
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Okkkkk. I love this. "Ripping apart".
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I took on BigMo, you, RtD, and about five other guys for about 10 pages without support.</div>It's different because the original is only in Arabic and if you try to tanslate to other languages it's a really rough translation and you get things wrong. I do not speak Arabic and probably won't read the Koran since I'm not that religous but I know many Muslims and none of them seem to want to cut anyone's heads off or wish for anyone to burn in hell or whatever.
 
Islam makes the most sense to me, but that's not to say that the other religions don't make sense to me or whatever.The thing is that a lot of people only have a broad, general (and sometimes biased) knowledge of certain religions, therefore the religion they follow (or followed) will more than likely make the most sense to them since the have been following it (or followed it) for most of their lives. I doubt anybody here, including myself, has taken the time to actually sit down and read the religious teachings/books of every religion thoroughly enough to make a very informed judgement.
 
Look attacking christians is what real Christians DON'T do, im going to do the LOGICIAL and stop arguing. Becuase Jesus himself said "love thy neighbour" muslim, chirstian, jew, hindu, or even hinju....
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Sep 5 2006, 06:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's different because the original is only in Arabic and if you try to tanslate to other languages it's a really rough translation and you get things wrong. I do not speak Arabic and probably won't read the Koran since I'm not that religous but I know many Muslims and none of them seem to want to cut anyone's heads off or wish for anyone to burn in hell or whatever.</div>i agree with ASUfan most muslims are very peaceful people, there are a few muslims that go to my school and they are just regular people and friendly. I don't think it's fair for people to judge muslims on what the extremists do i mean not all muslims are like bin laden and hamas and those groups.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>And you lost to BigMo and RTD. I wasn't even in that debate. I just posted something at the end.</div>
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Also, if I was up to you face to face, I would show you the arabic text. But what would the point be? You don't know arabic. learn it yourself if you care so much. If you don't care, then don't post.</div>You're telling me there's not one single English translation that's correct.
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Please, even the Bible has good translations from Greek and Hebrew.
 
Of course there are english translations that are correct. The ones from english-speaking muslims. The Qur'an can't be changed, and those translations are real and peaceful.
 
So show me a link or something, so I look up the verses that RF1 posted. Or, better yet, tell me what they mean yourself.Especially tell me this:2.191. Kill them whenever you confront them and drive them out from where they drove you out. (For though killing is sinful) wrongful persecution is even worse than killing. Do not fight against them near the Holy Mosque unless they fight against you; but if they fight against you kill them, for that is the reward of such unbelievers.I'm trying not to be a "retard", but give me reasons, please.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dmoney0199 @ Sep 5 2006, 07:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>i agree with ASUfan most muslims are very peaceful people, there are a few muslims that go to my school and they are just regular people and friendly. I don't think it's fair for people to judge muslims on what the extremists do i mean not all muslims are like bin laden and hamas and those groups.</div>Dmoney, that is very true, i, have friends that are muslims, i do no hate against them.But i dont like people denying my faith. I hate it.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Sep 6 2006, 07:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Dmoney, that is very true, i, have friends that are muslims, i do no hate against them.But i dont like people denying my faith. I hate it.</div>No one is.. like I said don't be stupid. I'd think you'd be mad at me more if I said what you claim we do is true. but no, I'm saying those things are not true.And Hang Eleven, I'm never read that in the Qur'an, and I've read the Qur'an many times.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Sep 6 2006, 04:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>But i dont like people denying my faith. I hate it.</div>Who is denying your faith?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Blaze @ Sep 7 2006, 12:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And Hang Eleven, I'm never read that in the Qur'an, and I've read the Qur'an many times.</div>LinkVerse 191, this was posted by our very one Wagas, which was stupid of him (but then again, he was that kind of guy).
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hang Eleven @ Sep 6 2006, 08:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So show me a link or something, so I look up the verses that RF1 posted. Or, better yet, tell me what they mean yourself.Especially tell me this:2.191. Kill them whenever you confront them and drive them out from where they drove you out. (For though killing is sinful) wrongful persecution is even worse than killing. Do not fight against them near the Holy Mosque unless they fight against you; but if they fight against you kill them, for that is the reward of such unbelievers.I'm trying not to be a "retard", but give me reasons, please.</div>That verse was revealed concerning the prophet and The Quraish of who he was fighting against. These same people persecuted, murdered, scoffed and ridiculued the prophet and his companions. That verse was revealed to the prophet, instructing him what do.Not everything in the Quran applies today. I'll give you an example, alcohol for a time was allowed. Allah revealed to the prophet that you could drink it but there should be a limit. It was eventually banned. The verse which originally allowed alcohol is now not to be followed. The same thing applies to that verse, that verse is talking about the prophet's fight against the non-believing arabs. These same people plotted many a time to murder the prophet and wipe the religion off the face of the planet.I agree, on the face of it it does seem quite agressive. But there is a thing called context. Only people who have thoroughly understand the grammatical side of the Quran a will truly understand in detail what the verse means.I've noticed also that the majority of people who claim Islam is evil bring such verses up but fail to understand the context and grammar behind the verse I've seen it happen a many a time. I've seen users on this board do it.If you have any queries on islam then it'd be best for you to go ask a scholar who also understands Arabic well. Only they can give you the best answer. Religion is too broad and too complicated to be disected over a message board especially when a foreign language is involved.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo061 @ Sep 8 2006, 03:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That verse was revealed concerning the prophet and The Quraish of who he was fighting against. These same people persecuted, murdered, scoffed and ridiculued the prophet and his companions. That verse was revealed to the prophet, instructing him what do.Not everything in the Quran applies today. I'll give you an example, alcohol for a time was allowed. Allah revealed to the prophet that you could drink it but there should be a limit. It was eventually banned. The verse which originally allowed alcohol is now not to be followed. The same thing applies to that verse, that verse is talking about the prophet's fight against the non-believing arabs. These same people plotted many a time to murder the prophet and wipe the religion off the face of the planet.I agree, on the face of it it does seem quite agressive. But there is a thing called context. Only people who have thoroughly understand the grammatical side of the Quran a will truly understand in detail what the verse means.I've noticed also that the majority of people who claim Islam is evil bring such verses up but fail to understand the context and grammar behind the verse I've seen it happen a many a time. I've seen users on this board do it.If you have any queries on islam then it'd be best for you to go ask a scholar who also understands Arabic well. Only they can give you the best answer. Religion is too broad and too complicated to be disected over a message board especially when a foreign language is involved.</div>Very well-said Melo. You know your stuff, really well for a non-muslim. I applaud you.
 
IMO, All the religions are the same thing. We are all trying to get to the same place, just in different paths.
 
It would've sounded better if i was actually non-muslim. But i'm not.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Asian @ Sep 8 2006, 04:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>IMO, All the religions are the same thing. We are all trying to get to the same place, just in different paths.</div>Yes, I too believe that there are many paths and religions that eventually will lead you to Jesus Christ!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo061 @ Sep 8 2006, 02:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That verse was revealed concerning the prophet and The Quraish of who he was fighting against. These same people persecuted, murdered, scoffed and ridiculued the prophet and his companions. That verse was revealed to the prophet, instructing him what do.Not everything in the Quran applies today. I'll give you an example, alcohol for a time was allowed. Allah revealed to the prophet that you could drink it but there should be a limit. It was eventually banned. The verse which originally allowed alcohol is now not to be followed. The same thing applies to that verse, that verse is talking about the prophet's fight against the non-believing arabs. These same people plotted many a time to murder the prophet and wipe the religion off the face of the planet.I agree, on the face of it it does seem quite agressive. But there is a thing called context. Only people who have thoroughly understand the grammatical side of the Quran a will truly understand in detail what the verse means.I've noticed also that the majority of people who claim Islam is evil bring such verses up but fail to understand the context and grammar behind the verse I've seen it happen a many a time. I've seen users on this board do it.If you have any queries on islam then it'd be best for you to go ask a scholar who also understands Arabic well. Only they can give you the best answer. Religion is too broad and too complicated to be disected over a message board especially when a foreign language is involved.</div>BINGO. I've seen it happen many times as well, not only on this board but everywhere. Context is critical to understanding the Quran, and even by just reading that verse I still don't understand how somebody could think it is "evil."<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>2.191. Kill them whenever you confront them and drive them out from where they drove you out. (For though killing is sinful) wrongful persecution is even worse than killing. Do not fight against them near the Holy Mosque unless they fight against you; but if they fight against you kill them, for that is the reward of such unbelievers.</div>You can infer that there is some sort of battle going on, and Allah is saying to kill them and reclaim the territory that they stole in the first place. He also states that the wrongful persecution the Muslims are facing is even worse than killing... and then the most glaring statement to me is: "Do not fight against them near the Holy Mosque UNLESS THEY FIGHT AGAINST YOU; but IF THEY FIGHT AGAINST YOU, kill them."
 
In other words, you're sending me off, saying don't ask me anything more, since I can't tell you. OKaaaayyy.
 
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