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ABM said:
OK, here's your clue, then. Right-to-life is huge on my list and there ain't any dems in support of that. Again, Kasich is my guy and I hope he runs in 2024.
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May I ask why right to a life not born yet is more important than the lives that are already born breathing and suppressed?

How does your math value an unborn life more than one that is already living?
 
ABM said:
I understand. To be honest, I didn't open the links in each of the states. If you have that handy, re-send. I promise to check those out.

That said, as I had mentioned elsewhere, I don't believe BLM is the be all, end all in all of this. They have detractors and need to be held accountable in their own right:.

While I'm sure you don't like the source here, it does include a number of links.

https://www.influencewatch.org/movement/black-lives-matter/
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Do republicans such as yourself need to hold your own racist members accountable for the active want of suppressing blacks and minorities? Or is that dismissed because they share a right to life view with you?
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
I think it might be because he doesn’t appear to be taking any of this seriously. It’s a fun little game for him to twist some tails and then run off laughing. Apparently he, along with a large chunk of white America sees all this as “same shit, different day”, and that it will all go back to “normal” as soon as Trump and the “Justice” Department keep flexing their muscles.......and guys like that are why this is probably going to get worse before it gets better.....
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ABM does not irritate people just to get a laugh out of it.
 
Minstrel said:
I think you do want to put this "at Obama's feet" for how often you trot this lie out. Obama did set things in motion--for example, the kind of sweeping police reform that just happens to be the biggest issue of the protests. The Justice Department was in the middle of implementation (reviewing each police force in the nation and providing mandatory guidelines for training, de-escalation procedures, community outreach, etc) when his administration ended. Guess what happened? Your favorite racist, misogynist and homophobic President killed it as soon as he took office.

Please stop telling this lie. You know it's a lie and you keep repeating it because you want to further the narrative that even a black President doesn't care about black people and so government can't make a difference. Government can make a difference if people like you don't elect racist Presidents and governors and representatives.
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Trump is not ABM's favorite.
 
Minstrel said:
Sorry, Lanny. We're going to have to agree to disagree on ABM's support of Trump. He can say all he wants about how Kasich is "his guy" but he bears responsibility for the guy he voted for. If he voted for a racist, he supports a racist.
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I didn't say he didn't support Trump. All I did was state a fact which is indisputable, ABM does not find Trump to be his favorite candidate for President. It's a fact that he prefers Kasich and will probably write in his name this November. Yes, he supports a racist but that doesn't mean that he knows Trump to be racist, although I'm not certain of that. I can't abide by knowing racism which he doesn't do.
 
Minstrel said:
Sorry, Lanny. We're going to have to agree to disagree on ABM's support of Trump. He can say all he wants about how Kasich is "his guy" but he bears responsibility for the guy he voted for. If he voted for a racist, he supports a racist.
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I voted for Trump in 2016 and will vote for Trump in 2020. A write-in vote is a vote for Biden.

Is calling someone a racist potentially a bit pas·sé?

I mean the term is being trotted out everywhere!

https://www.leftvoice.org/joe-biden-is-a-racist-who-loves-police-brutality
 
Minstrel said:
Sorry, Lanny. We're going to have to agree to disagree on ABM's support of Trump. He can say all he wants about how Kasich is "his guy" but he bears responsibility for the guy he voted for. If he voted for a racist, he supports a racist.
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That's not fair. Many people voted for him the first time and wont vote for him again. Maybe they didn't think of him as racist at the time, or didn't know enough, many reasons why. So to say if you voted for someone who was not clearly tied to racism, but then came to light after, doesn't mean they support him.

For example, I voted for "x" bill. Then a bunch of amendments were made. The amendments were to protect racists. Does that mean I support racism because I voted for the bill?
 
Orion Bailey said:
That's not fair. Many people voted for him the first time and wont vote for him again. Maybe they didn't think of him as racist at the time, or didn't know enough, many reasons why. So to say if you voted for someone who was not clearly tied to racism, but then came to light after, doesn't mean they support him
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It didn't come to light afterwards. His racist history was clearly detailed during the campaign, not the least of which was his discriminatory housing practices against black people, his inflammatory comments about Mexicans and, while not technically racism but rather bigotry, his much-promised Muslim ban. No one was at all confused about the fact that he was a racist and a misogynist. Anyone who voted for Trump knowingly voted for a racist.

Not to mention ABM has said he'll be voting for him again in 2020.
 
Lanny said:
I didn't say he didn't support Trump. All I did was state a fact which is indisputable, ABM does not find Trump to be his favorite candidate for President.
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To be fair, I said his "favorite racist" candidate for President. I don't consider Kasich a racist. So unless ABM has another racist politician he prefers to Trump, I think my observation was correct!
 
Minstrel said:
It didn't come to light afterwards. His racist history was clearly detailed during the campaign, not the least of which was his discriminatory housing practices against black people, his inflammatory comments about Mexicans and, while not technically racism but rather bigotry, his much-promised Muslim ban. No one was at all confused about the fact that he was a racist and a misogynist. Anyone who voted for Trump knowingly voted for a racist.

Not to mention ABM has said he'll be voting for him again in 2020.
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People can change. Can't they? He was also pro-choice at one time in his life.
 
ABM said:
People can change. Can't they? He was also pro-choice at one time in his life.
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What does that have to do with what was known in 2016 and voting for him in 2016? In 2016, his rhetoric and history was as a racist and Trump voters voted for that.

If you're saying he's changed over the past 4 years, we're going to have to agree to disagree.
 
Minstrel said:
It didn't come to light afterwards. His racist history was clearly detailed during the campaign, not the least of which was his discriminatory housing practices against black people, his inflammatory comments about Mexicans and, while not technically racism but rather bigotry, his much-promised Muslim ban. No one was at all confused about the fact that he was a racist and a misogynist. Anyone who voted for Trump knowingly voted for a racist.

Not to mention ABM has said he'll be voting for him again in 2020.
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I will fully admit I didn't dig into Trump, but this info was not put forth before me( not that its anyones responsibility to) What i'm saying is sometimes people will vote party line and not pay attention to the details and then later can be like, shit... really? I didn't know he did that. How could my party put him up for Pres? I trusted my party!"

Those people aren't racist. Wanna know how I know?

I'm one of them. Call me ignorant, an idiot. Ill eat all of it. I own it. Im also trying to correct it.

But im no racist because I voted for him in 2016.
 
Minstrel said:
What does that have to do with what was known in 2016 and voting for him in 2016? In 2016, his rhetoric and history was as a racist and Trump voters voted for that.

If you're saying he's changed over the past 4 years, we're going to have to agree to disagree.
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I almost always agree to disagree with you. Sounds like a perfect fit.
 
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