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Yang has some offensive skills and solid BBIQ, but his lack of foot speed on the perimeter is defensively debilitating. He isn't just bad, he ends up miles from whoever he is guarding after a simple change of direction. I'm not sure how much better that can get.
 
wizenheimer said:
lol...right

talent isn't part of the equation.

Wembanyama won't be good at basketball till he's fluent in English
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Not sure why you brought up Victor, since I didn't compare Yang to him, or say that he'd all the sudden be great at basketball once he learns English.
Also Wemby already *knew* and spoke English when he came to the NBA, had no need for a translator, and Wemby has been playing professional ball, at an elite level, for a long time.

Victor has been playing professional ball since he was 15 and has played and represented his country in basketball for a while now.

Growing up and playing basketball in Europe/France is a lot different than playing basketball in China.

Not only that, the whole fucking point I was making that was that experience makes a difference. If Damian came out as a 20 year old, his NBA arc would have been a lot different than it was. And if Clingan hadn't gotten 2 years of one of the best college programs in the nation, he'd look different.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
Yang has a high ceiling but he should be with the Remix for the remainder of the season.

Desperately needs reps. He’s nowhere close to being ready for NBA pace.
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To put him into counting games right now looks like tanking to me.
 
TBpup said:
Yang has some offensive skills and solid BBIQ, but his lack of foot speed on the perimeter is defensively debilitating. He isn't just bad, he ends up miles from whoever he is guarding after a simple change of direction. I'm not sure how much better that can get.
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Balboa had the same problem that got fixed with a chicken.

 
I get it now...as soon as Yang learns to speak English he'll cut his 3/4 sprint time in half

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wizenheimer said:
I get it now...as soon as Yang learns to speak English he'll cut his 3/4 sprint time in half

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He’s learning everyday but keep sensationalizing his development. I get that he’s not up to speed. You don’t get that neither was Clingan his rookie season although Clingan had years of coaching in his native language. I know what it’s like to play a sport and have that language barrier to get over. I doubt you have ever dealt with it. Yang is overthinking right now which has been my point. Not that he’s better than Clingan but that both struggled rookie year but there’s a reason one picked things up quicker rookie season. Yang knows he’s not ready yet. The kid has said so on many occasions
 
riverman said:
He’s learning everyday but keep sensationalizing his development. I get that he’s not up to speed. You don’t get that neither was Clingan his rookie season although Clingan had years of coaching in his native language. I know what it’s like to play a sport and have that language barrier to get over. I doubt you have ever dealt with it. Yang is overthinking right now which has been my point. Not that he’s better than Clingan but that both struggled rookie year but there’s a reason one picked things up quicker rookie season. Yang knows he’s not ready yet. The kid has said so on many occasions
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Clingan was pretty consistently good his rookie year. Yang has been consistently unplayable. It's pretty obvious by both the stats and eye test. I don't know why you are so fixated on this point with Clingan. There are other terrible rookie centers in history that you could compare him to but Clingan is not one of them.
 
B-Roy said:
Clingan was pretty consistently good his rookie year. Yang has been consistently unplayable. It's pretty obvious by both the stats and eye test. I don't know why you are so fixated on this point with Clingan. There are other terrible rookie centers in history that you could compare him to but Clingan is not one of them.
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I never said either guy was terrible nor am I fixated on Clingans early rookie deficiencies but most of last season, he wasn’t ready but sure. Clingan obviously played against more athletic bigs than Yang. I’m not criticizing either guy. Just adding perspective before acting like Yang is a bust. I think he’ll surprise a lot of folks and his second or third year he’ll be up to speed which is normal for a center. Clingan is starting in year two which is a testament to his off season work and not normal for a center
 
riverman said:
I never said either guy was terrible nor am I fixated on Clingans early rookie deficiencies but most of last season, he wasn’t ready but sure. Clingan obviously played against more athletic bigs than Yang. I’m not criticizing either guy. Just adding perspective before acting like Yang is a bust. I think he’ll surprise a lot of folks and his second or third year he’ll be up to speed which is normal for a center. Clingan is starting in year two which is a testament to his off season work and not normal for a center
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Clingan was pretty good last year.
 
KingSpeed said:
Clingan was pretty good last year.
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Shot blocking and offensive boards. He was much slower and offensively challenged. Didn’t finish very well in the paint or shoot well from deep. This season he’s got a complete game. He made a bit of a leap the end of last season but made a huge one this season. He got gassed easily last season. This season he’s an iron man in comparison. I think now he’s one of our best players
 
julius said:
Insert the correct font damnit
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Just so I know, in case I ever try to post a joke, what is the correct font for a joke?

Arial?
Book Antiqua?
Courier New?
Georgia?
Tahoma?
Times New Roman?
Trebuchet MS?
Verdana?

Those are the only options I see, just want to make sure I get it right.

Inquiring minds want to know.
 
GrandpaBlaze said:
Just so I know, in case I ever try to post a joke, what is the correct font for a joke?

Arial?
Book Antiqua?
Courier New?
Georgia?
Tahoma?
Times New Roman?
Trebuchet MS?
Verdana?

Those are the only options I see, just want to make sure I get it right.

Inquiring minds want to know.
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Green font
 
riverman said:
Shot blocking and offensive boards. He was much slower and offensively challenged. Didn’t finish very well in the paint or shoot well from deep. This season he’s got a complete game. He made a bit of a leap the end of last season but made a huge one this season. He got gassed easily last season. This season he’s an iron man in comparison. I think now he’s one of our best players
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Sorry man, while DC's conditioning is much better this year, he has shown offensive spark as a rookie. In Feb 2025 against the Nuggets he had a 17 point, 20 rebounds game going against one Nikola Jokic which is pretty good. The next game against Denver he put 21 points, he had multiple double digit games with limited role and playing time.

His PER (a mostly offensive aggregate stat) as a rookie was 17.4 (above starter level center in the league). Yang (in very limited time, admittedly) is at 3.9 (which is below scrub level) - which is absolutely horrendous for a player that was supposed to be an offensive fulcrum.

The reality is that DC was an amazing defensive player as a rookie and a serviceable offensive player. YH is neither.

You can have all the hope in the world for YH - we all do, but comparing him to DC's rookie year is frankly, disrespectful to DC.
 
andalusian said:
Sorry man, while DC's conditioning is much better this year, he has shown offensive spark as a rookie. In Feb 2025 against the Nuggets he had a 17 point, 20 rebounds game going against one Nikola Jokic which is pretty good. The next game against Denver he put 21 points, he had multiple double digit games with limited role and playing time.

His PER (a mostly offensive aggregate stat) as a rookie was 17.4 (above starter level center in the league). Yang (in very limited time, admittedly) is at 3.9 (which is below scrub level) - which is absolutely horrendous for a player that was supposed to be an offensive fulcrum.

The reality is that DC was an amazing defensive player as a rookie and a serviceable offensive player. YH is neither.

You can have all the hope in the world for YH - we all do, but comparing him to DC's rookie year is frankly, disrespectful to DC.
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I’ve only complimented DC but he was not the player he is this season his rookie year. Yang has been in the G league or on the bench. When he gets some actual burn his stats should reflect that. It’s not just my opinion. Time lord said the same thing about him. I read a ton of S2 posts that claim Yang is a bust which is why I encouraged patience while he gets up to speed. I have more criticisms of Yangs game than I ever did Clingans but I assume people already know DC is our best center now. Next year or two I hope Yang is our best backup. Duop is not going to be that guy
 
Well, not in this back and forth, but I will state my own slant.

Being right or wrong about a future that has not come to past, is, well......kind of gambling...isn't it? I try to not gamble over things I have no control over. I choose the path of belief. I believe that Yang is going to be a fine player. When? We'll see. So, what's the cost of being perhaps wrong about that?
None.

Were I the Gm for the Blazers, my cost is far different.
 
Cugel said:
Still an unprotected pick when you know your team will be bad is a head scratcher. Unprotected. Does NOLA have a pick in this years strong draft? No but ATL does and it will be a nice fat juicy one too. Queen looks fine but not for the price. Who is saying he was a steal?
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I don't know if it's been mentioned about the Pelicans cost for getting Queen.

Of course everyone knows they traded their 2026 First-round pick Unprotected to Atlanta.

However, New Orleans also traded away Indiana's Top-4-protected 2026 First-round pick back to Indiana for Indiana's #23 pick in the 2025 draft.

(Indiana was playing in the NBA Finals on the date that trade (June 17th) happened, which explains the thinking by New Orleans)

New Orleans then traded Indiana's #23 pick in the 2025 draft + their own unprotected pick in the 2026 draft for the #13 pick in the 2025 draft (Queen).

So the cost for Queen was the Pelicans' Unprotected 2026 First-round pick + Indiana's Top-4 protected 2026 First Round Pick.

Below are the NBA league standings as of today. New Orleans and Indiana are at the bottom.

The worst-case scenario for the Pelicans is that they traded away the 2026 #1 pick (theirs) and the 2026 #5 pick (Indiana's) for Queen.

I'm assuming even the 5th pick and the 7th pick (combined) or something similar would be a pretty steep price.

Even the best-case scenario (where Indiana would have kept their top-4 pick) isn't looking good if the Pelicans stay at the bottom.

Of course, the trade between the Pacers and Pelicans was a HUGE stroke of luck for Indiana, getting back their own first-round pick for 2026. As we've seen in the past, being in the bottom 4 does not guarantee a top-4 pick, and anything outside of the top-4 would have gone to New Orleans.

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*New Orleans obtained Indiana's top-4 protected pick from Toronto in the Ingram trade. Toronto had obtained the 2026 top-4 protected pick from Indiana themselves in the Siakam trade.
 
blazerfan11 said:
I don't know if it's been mentioned about the Pelicans cost for getting Queen.

Of course everyone knows they traded their 2026 First-round pick Unprotected to Atlanta.

However, New Orleans also traded away Indiana's Top-4-protected 2026 First-round pick back to Indiana for Indiana's #23 pick in the 2025 draft.

(Indiana was playing in the NBA Finals on the date that trade (June 17th) happened, which explains the thinking by New Orleans)

New Orleans then traded Indiana's #23 pick in the 2025 draft + their own unprotected pick in the 2026 draft for the #13 pick in the 2025 draft (Queen).

So the cost for Queen was the Pelicans' Unprotected 2026 First-round pick + Indiana's Top-4 protected 2026 First Round Pick.

Below are the NBA league standings as of today. New Orleans and Indiana are at the bottom.

The worst-case scenario for the Pelicans is that they traded away the 2026 #1 pick (theirs) and the 2026 #5 pick (Indiana's) for Queen.

I'm assuming even the 5th pick and the 7th pick (combined) or something similar would be a pretty steep price.

Even the best-case scenario (where Indiana would have kept their top-4 pick) isn't looking good if the Pelicans stay at the bottom.

Of course, the trade between the Pacers and Pelicans was a HUGE stroke of luck for Indiana, getting back their own first-round pick for 2026. As we've seen in the past, being in the bottom 4 does not guarantee a top-4 pick, and anything outside of the top-4 would have gone to New Orleans.

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*New Orleans obtained Indiana's top-4 protected pick from Toronto in the Ingram trade. Toronto had obtained the 2026 top-4 protected pick from Indiana themselves in the Siakam trade.
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I wasn't aware of that ancillary trade, but you may be right:


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so, it may very well be that the Pels were working on this deal a week before the draft and wanted to get a 2nd first round pick because they wanted to draft Fears with their higher pick and not include it in the Queen trade

subsequent reporting sure seems to indicate that the Pels were running thru the teams in the 10-13 range in semi-desperation. So there's a pretty high probability the Blazers could have had the deal Atlanta got and have the Pels pick in the draft in June. Meaning that Cronin preferred Yang + Orlando's 2028 pick over the 23rd pick in 2025 and the Pels 2026 pick. If so, really dumb decision
 
It looks like a very dumb decision right now.

However, as with Indiana, who was in the NBA finals, we don't know what's going to happen in Orlando in 2028 (and that pick is also unprotected).

Even so, what Cronin probably passed on doesn't come close to how bad Joe Dumars' trades could be.
 
blazerfan11 said:
It looks like a very dumb decision right now.

However, as with Indiana, who was in the NBA finals, we don't know what's going to happen in Orlando in 2028 (and that pick is also unprotected).

Even so, what Cronin probably passed on doesn't come close to how bad Joe Dumars' trades could be.
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Orlando doesn't quite look like the sure thing it did a year ago today. Hope that pick turns into something good.
 
wizenheimer said:
I wasn't aware of that ancillary trade, but you may be right:


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so, it may very well be that the Pels were working on this deal a week before the draft and wanted to get a 2nd first round pick because they wanted to draft Fears with their higher pick and not include it in the Queen trade

subsequent reporting sure seems to indicate that the Pels were running thru the teams in the 10-13 range in semi-desperation. So there's a pretty high probability the Blazers could have had the deal Atlanta got and have the Pels pick in the draft in June. Meaning that Cronin preferred Yang + Orlando's 2028 pick over the 23rd pick in 2025 and the Pels 2026 pick. If so, really dumb decision
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I think we would have to assume that every team 13 or lower in the draft could have had the Pels unrestricted 1st-round pick for 2026 + the 23rd pick in 2025.
Multiple teams' GMs.

#12 pick Noa Essengue (Chicago), considered to be a long-term project, played a total of 6 minutes before he was injured and will miss the rest of the season.

Phoenix used the #10 pick (obtained from Houston in the Durant trade) to draft Khaman Maluach, also considered a project. He's playing in the G league and garbage time. Maluach has played less than half the minutes of Yang Hansen.

(Could Memphis also have traded the 11th pick to New Orleans? Or did the timing make it impossible?)

At any rate, an unrestricted 1st-round pick in 2026 of the Pelicans plus the #23 pick in the 2025 draft seems like a no-brainer to me, but WHY did Chicago and Phoenix pass on that deal?
 
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