With the #7 pick, the Portland Trail Blazers select....

[CJ_is_Gone]

Which combos do we like most for our starting forwards?

Collins/Grant
Grant/Randle
OG/Grant

I think it's the last for me. Collins and Grant is pretty interesting too.

Collins/OG

 

[BankTeller]

That's why Ant needs to go. If you're going all in, you trade Simons. One for one swap with Phoenix for Ayton.

I would rather draft Duren #7, and I really don’t want to draft Duren at #7.

If trading Simons is what defines going “all in”, then I’d rather wait until next summer to see if we should go “all in”. Since the bubble year, he’s gotten better in specific areas and proven he can sustain it. Two seasons ago, he became consistent with shooting 3s, and he was taking it to the basket more towards the end of the season. Last year, he continued to shoot well from 3, he was taking it to the basket a lot more often and has shot the most FTs he’s ever had, and he was getting notably better staying in front of his man and he averaged around 6apg as a starter. Lets see if he continues to shoot the ball well and get better at getting to the line. Let’s see if he can can average 6apg for an entire season and keeps developing on defense. Ant has Chauncey as a head coach, I expect his scoring efficiency to only get better, not worse.

At the end of the day, I think the number we re-sign at will be less than $25m/yr. I see no reason to think he won’t get better. I’m not even sure if this would be his peak, but I can see Ant having Jaylen Brown’s 2021-22 season statline on similar efficiency in any given year in his prime (switching their reb and ast numbers).

 

[tykendo]

If the Blazers can get John Collins and the #16, for the #7( which is possible due to the Hawks wanting to retool and gain capspace), then the Blazers might be able to turn the #16 into OG. Again, Grant is also in play, but not for the #7. Detroit is not dealing from a position of strength due to their need to get rid of his salary. I wish some in here could get that through their thick noggins. Just as the Blazers didn't get as much for CJ, because they didn't want to take lots of salary back. The Hawks are going to move off Collins. I think he is the trade being worked on for the #7. I think the Blazers want that #16 as well because they are taking on 25 mil. per . If Cronin gets that #16, that could be enough to get OG. No reason to over value players when their teams need to move them for cap reasons. Believe it or not, Blazer Naysayers, but your Portland Trailblazers are actually in good position to deal, being they are one of the few teams with cap space and flexibility.

 

[Freshtown]

If the Blazers can get John Collins and the #16, for the #7( which is possible due to the Hawks wanting to retool and gain capspace), then the Blazers might be able to turn the #16 into OG. Again, Grant is also in play, but not for the #7. Detroit is not dealing from a position of strength due to their need to get rid of his salary. I wish some in here could get that through their thick noggins. Just as the Blazers didn't get as much for CJ, because they didn't want to take lots of salary back. The Hawks are going to move off Collins. I think he is the trade being worked on for the #7. I think the Blazers want that #16 as well because they are taking on 25 mil. per . If Cronin gets that #16, that could be enough to get OG. No reason to over value players when their teams need to move them for cap reasons. Believe it or not, Blazer Naysayers, but your Portland Trailblazers are actually in good position to deal, being they are one of the few teams with cap space and flexibility.

#16 for OG would be robbery. No way that happens. Probably not even likely they say yes to #7 for OG (which I would say no to as well).

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Collins/OG

So, what if we traded 7 to Atlanta for Collins and 42. Could we then trade the

#16 for OG would be robbery. No way that happens. Probably not even likely they say yes to #7 for OG (which I would say no to as well).

Agreed. 16 plus 36 and maybe a separate trade of Little or Keon for one of their minimum guys.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Collins/OG

Not possible.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

If the Blazers can get John Collins and the #16, for the #7( which is possible due to the Hawks wanting to retool and gain capspace), then the Blazers might be able to turn the #16 into OG. Again, Grant is also in play, but not for the #7. Detroit is not dealing from a position of strength due to their need to get rid of his salary. I wish some in here could get that through their thick noggins. Just as the Blazers didn't get as much for CJ, because they didn't want to take lots of salary back. The Hawks are going to move off Collins. I think he is the trade being worked on for the #7. I think the Blazers want that #16 as well because they are taking on 25 mil. per . If Cronin gets that #16, that could be enough to get OG. No reason to over value players when their teams need to move them for cap reasons. Believe it or not, Blazer Naysayers, but your Portland Trailblazers are actually in good position to deal, being they are one of the few teams with cap space and flexibility.

We're not gonna get OG for the 16. That's Grant territory. 7 might not even be enough.

We aren't going to get Collins AND OG. It's one or the other with the 7. 16 will be enough for Grant.

 

[Blazinaway]

#16 for OG would be robbery. No way that happens. Probably not even likely they say yes to #7 for OG (which I would say no to as well).

They could use a C, so perhaps the

We're not gonna get OG for the 16. That's Grant territory. 7 might not even be enough.

We aren't going to get Collins AND OG. It's one or the other with the 7. 16 will be enough for Grant.

I am very skeptical of gettin the 16 if we trade the 7 for Collins

 

[Sheldon Shape]

They could use a C, so perhaps the

I am very skeptical of gettin the 16 if we trade the 7 for Collins

I would be fine to throw in a second rounder or the Bucks pick to get 16. I wouldn't do the deal without 16. I think they do it pretty easily.

 

[wizenheimer]

I'd want that 16th pick or I wouldn't do it. So I would go as far as 7, 36 and Bledsoe for Collins and 16 but I wouldn't do Bledsoe and 7 for just Collins.

I don't agree. Yeah, I'd like the 16th pick coming back and I'd be willing to throw in the 36th or Milwaukee pick to get it. But Atlanta would have to accept paying 19M next season to Bledsoe and that's a stiff price for moving from 16 to 7, especially with the cap situation

I wouldn't do the 7th for Collins if I thought there was a decent chance of landing a Tatum or Booker with the 7th pick. But from everything I've read about this draft, a return like one of those guys for 7 seems extremely remote

Collins is a modern NBA player. He can shoot the three at a good rate; two straight seasons at 40% before this one. And a player who has career marks over 20 for PER, over .630 for TS%, over 15.5% for rebounding rate, and under 22% for usage. A wing who is comfortable in the paint has a lot of value. It's also a good sign that he has consistently had a lower defensive rating than his team. he's also signed for 4 more seasons at a reasonable contract

personally, between Collins, Grant, and the long shot of Anunoby, I'd much prefer Collins over the other two



by the way, Collins is younger than OG

 

[Sheldon Shape]

I don't agree. Yeah, I'd like the 16th pick coming back and I'd be willing to throw in the 36th or Milwaukee pick to get it. But Atlanta would have to accept paying 19M next season to Bledsoe and that's a stiff price for moving from 16 to 7, especially with the cap situation

I wouldn't do the 7th for Collins if I thought there was a decent chance of landing a Tatum or Booker with the 7th pick. But from everything I've read about this draft, a return like one of those guys for 7 seems extremely remote

Collins is a modern NBA player. He can shoot the three at a good rate; two straight seasons at 40% before this one. And a player who has career marks over 20 for PER, over .630 for TS%, over 15.5% for rebounding rate, and under 22% for usage. A wing who is comfortable in the paint has a lot of value. It's also a good sign that he has consistently had a lower defensive rating than his team. he's also signed for 4 more seasons at a reasonable contract

personally, between Collins, Grant, and the long shot of Anunoby, I'd much prefer Collins over the other two

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by the way, Collins is younger than OG

It the Blazers can use 7 and change to get Collins and Grant, that would be a very very successful off-season. Even if they stand pat with everything else.

I'm all for it. Bring Nurk and Ant back with that.

 

[wizenheimer]

It the Blazers can use 7 and change to get Collins and Grant, that would be a very very successful off-season. Even if they stand pat with everything else.

I'm all for it. Bring Nurk and Ant back with that.

I agree. it would certainly be a worthy off-season, IMO

I don't know if they can swing that or not; probably not. But, at least on paper, that would be the best Blazers team since the Aldridge days; maybe even better

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

We’re going to regret not keeping Duren

 

[blazerkor]

We’re going to regret not keeping Duren

We don't now or ever have had anyone by that name that I can remember.

 

[blazerfan11]

We’re going to regret not keeping Duren

One thing is for sure, if a trade does happen, after the draft we'll know which players the Blazers could have had with the 7th pick. Even if the 7th pick goes to the Eastern Conference, picking #8 is New Orleans and #9 is San Antonio.

 

[Hoopguru]

It's wild how we all have these arm chair gm ideas, or, must take place scenario's ,for this to happen, without really knowing anything about what's really going on behind the scene.
Im guessing its possible we trade up to get the guy Chauncey wants, Banchero or Murray. Or maybe the unexpected will happen, not that trading up is really expected?

 

[BonesJones]

I think Grant/Colllins is fucking fantastic. I actually want Grant as the #3 option on offense... I think you're actually underrating him. Yeah, he can't win big as the number one guy but I think he'd be our second best overall player on the team and that we could win big if Ant can be the second scorer and Grant can be our best two way player.

I think it's a problem because both those guys are poor on-ball defenders. I don't see how we improve our defense by going for a starting lineup with five below-average point of attack defenders.

 

[damianlillard]

I think it's a problem because both those guys are poor on-ball defenders. I don't see how we improve our defense by going for a starting lineup with five below-average point of attack defenders.

Agreed. They would be the best forwards combo since LA/Batum, but is it enough to be a title contender. Do you think our defense can at least be average with them?

 

[Mr. Robot]

fuck them picks, trade that thing for a player who can contribute right now

once dame is gone, trade everyone and focus on total rebuild (like houston & okc), but as long as you have dame, you ride with him

 

[tykendo]

I do. Add Collins & Grant, re sign Nurk & Ant, add in a 1st time in over 3 years( Healthy Dame), and look out. Plus the bench, with Junkyard dogs Josh Hart ,Nassir Little, & Joe Ingles, "Oh My" as the great Dick Enberg would say.

 

[Mr. Robot]

i dont see how can we add two good players with one pick... if we had two (our & pelicans pick) it would be doable

paul george you prick, go fuck yourself

 

[Hoopguru]

I think it's a problem because both those guys are poor on-ball defenders. I don't see how we improve our defense by going for a starting lineup with five below-average point of attack defenders.

In your opinion, who's the best on ball, point of attack player in the draft? Thanks

 

[BonesJones]

In your opinion, who's the best on ball, point of attack player in the draft? Thanks

At 7? Dyson Daniels.

 

[GrandpaBlaze]

I'm tired of the NO-style retreads in the hopes they will make a difference and take us over the top. Likewise, good, but not all-star potential, draftees. Thinking of the names I continually see bantered around here as far as trades go here are my thoughts (and I'm not as knowledgeable as others here but my .02)

• Grant - Difference maker? No. Upgrade? Probably. Worth the cost? Absolutely not - guy wants a big payday and isn't going to take anyone anywhere. Strictly a complimentary piece who sees himself as something more. Proven nothing as far as helping take a team to the next level.
  
• Ayton - Difference maker? No. Upgrade? Perhaps. Worth the cost? Absolutely not - another guy who wants a big payday and while is decent, he is no difference maker and shouldn't be paid what he thinks he is worth. Cautionary flags - appeared upset Suns didn't max him out and not sure he really gave his all. Game addict at the cost of sleep (and perhaps conditioning and improvement), want nothing to do with him. Rather keep Nurk at a better price. Not sure he has proved a lot as far as taking the Suns to the next level.
  
• Collins - Difference maker? Not sure. Upgrade? Yep. Worth the cost? Not sure. He is a proven very good player but is it enough? Could be talked into this - especially if we get a later pick in the trade.
  
• Duren - Difference maker? Doubt it. Upgrade? Probably. I think he has some good potential but he doesn't strike me as a Duncan, Hakeem, Shaq, Embiid, etc. difference-making center. The game has moved away from centers and I just don't see him as a player that takes the Blazers anywhere. Probably do a fine job of keeping us middle-of-the-pack but not over-the-top.

There is a lot of talk about win-now but I don't see anything, trade-wise, that takes us over the top and some of the proposed trades I've seen put the financial handcuffs back on.

Would love to win it all - especially with Dame, but unless something becomes a clear "duh!" opportunity, I'm not seeing it and don't want to entirely sacrifice the future for a hope that someone who suddenly be better here. That was NO's modus operandi and although we may be targeting higher level hopes, they still require the player to really step-up/improve to help us. Grant > Covington but is he that much better? Not IMO. Been there, done that. Pass.

Swing for the fences. Tired of singles hoping to be able to turn it into a double.

Swing, swing, swing. We make whiff, but we could also catch the next Dame.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I'm tired of the NO-style retreads in the hopes they will make a difference and take us over the top. Likewise, good, but not all-star potential, draftees. Thinking of the names I continually see bantered around here as far as trades go here are my thoughts (and I'm not as knowledgeable as others here but my .02)

• Grant - Difference maker? No. Upgrade? Probably. Worth the cost? Absolutely not - guy wants a big payday and isn't going to take anyone anywhere. Strictly a complimentary piece who sees himself as something more. Proven nothing as far as helping take a team to the next level.
  
• Ayton - Difference maker? No. Upgrade? Perhaps. Worth the cost? Absolutely not - another guy who wants a big payday and while is decent, he is no difference maker and shouldn't be paid what he thinks he is worth. Cautionary flags - appeared upset Suns didn't max him out and not sure he really gave his all. Game addict at the cost of sleep (and perhaps conditioning and improvement), want nothing to do with him. Rather keep Nurk at a better price. Not sure he has proved a lot as far as taking the Suns to the next level.
  
• Collins - Difference maker? Not sure. Upgrade? Yep. Worth the cost? Not sure. He is a proven very good player but is it enough? Could be talked into this - especially if we get a later pick in the trade.
  
• Duren - Difference maker? Doubt it. Upgrade? Probably. I think he has some good potential but he doesn't strike me as a Duncan, Hakeem, Shaq, Embiid, etc. difference-making center. The game has moved away from centers and I just don't see him as a player that takes the Blazers anywhere. Probably do a fine job of keeping us middle-of-the-pack but not over-the-top.

There is a lot of talk about win-now but I don't see anything, trade-wise, that takes us over the top and some of the proposed trades I've seen put the financial handcuffs back on.

Would love to win it all - especially with Dame, but unless something becomes a clear "duh!" opportunity, I'm not seeing it and don't want to entirely sacrifice the future for a hope that someone who suddenly be better here. That was NO's modus operandi and although we may be targeting higher level hopes, they still require the player to really step-up/improve to help us. Grant > Covington but is he that much better? Not IMO. Been there, done that. Pass.

Swing for the fences. Tired of singles hoping to be able to turn it into a double.

Swing, swing, swing. We make whiff, but we could also catch the next Dame.

Since you don't believe Duren fits the bill, who are the swing-for-the-fences prospects you'd like to see the Blazers go after with 7? What are your thoughts on guys like Murray, Sharpe and Daniels, one of whom is guaranteed to be available with our pick?

 

[Scalma]

I'm tired of the NO-style retreads in the hopes they will make a difference and take us over the top. Likewise, good, but not all-star potential, draftees. Thinking of the names I continually see bantered around here as far as trades go here are my thoughts (and I'm not as knowledgeable as others here but my .02)

• Grant - Difference maker? No. Upgrade? Probably. Worth the cost? Absolutely not - guy wants a big payday and isn't going to take anyone anywhere. Strictly a complimentary piece who sees himself as something more. Proven nothing as far as helping take a team to the next level.
  
• Ayton - Difference maker? No. Upgrade? Perhaps. Worth the cost? Absolutely not - another guy who wants a big payday and while is decent, he is no difference maker and shouldn't be paid what he thinks he is worth. Cautionary flags - appeared upset Suns didn't max him out and not sure he really gave his all. Game addict at the cost of sleep (and perhaps conditioning and improvement), want nothing to do with him. Rather keep Nurk at a better price. Not sure he has proved a lot as far as taking the Suns to the next level.
  
• Collins - Difference maker? Not sure. Upgrade? Yep. Worth the cost? Not sure. He is a proven very good player but is it enough? Could be talked into this - especially if we get a later pick in the trade.
  
• Duren - Difference maker? Doubt it. Upgrade? Probably. I think he has some good potential but he doesn't strike me as a Duncan, Hakeem, Shaq, Embiid, etc. difference-making center. The game has moved away from centers and I just don't see him as a player that takes the Blazers anywhere. Probably do a fine job of keeping us middle-of-the-pack but not over-the-top.

There is a lot of talk about win-now but I don't see anything, trade-wise, that takes us over the top and some of the proposed trades I've seen put the financial handcuffs back on.

Would love to win it all - especially with Dame, but unless something becomes a clear "duh!" opportunity, I'm not seeing it and don't want to entirely sacrifice the future for a hope that someone who suddenly be better here. That was NO's modus operandi and although we may be targeting higher level hopes, they still require the player to really step-up/improve to help us. Grant > Covington but is he that much better? Not IMO. Been there, done that. Pass.

Swing for the fences. Tired of singles hoping to be able to turn it into a double.

Swing, swing, swing. We make whiff, but we could also catch the next Dame.

that’s mostly where I’m at. These names connected as trade targets are essentially all role players. Role players are important but sacrificing a top 8 pick for one? Eh.

Ayton- we already have a good center. We can debate Ayton vs Nurk all we want, but what we can’t argue is that Ayton gonna be much more expensive. Center isn’t a position we should be looking at sacrificing top assets for. There’s a reason Phoenix probably doesn’t wanna pay him.

Grant- his value is what Aaron Gordon went for aka not a lottery pick.

Collins and OG- these are the two that I could see possibly developing into all stars, so I’d at least think about giving up the pick. But they’re not at that level now so there’s still a lot of risk involved. But I trust Billups to develop guys so I’d feel good about the potential to unlock another level from them.

Personally I want to draft Daniels or trade down and take Duren. Will be content with trading the pick for OG or Collins. Pissed if we trade it for Grant, unless it’s a trade down scenario. Zero interest in Ayton.

 

[GrandpaBlaze]

Since you don't believe Duren fits the bill, who are the swing-for-the-fences prospects you'd like to see the Blazers go after with 7? What are your thoughts on guys like Murray, Sharpe and Daniels, one of whom is guaranteed to be available with our pick?

My swing for the fence would be Sharpe. Most unknown but also, I think, most potential. Again, I am not near as knowledgeable as others so my opinions aren't worth much. That being said, Murray strikes me as a solid player, not necessarily an all-star but a very solid player. Daniels, I think has more swing than Murray in that he could turn out to be more valuable/flexible but could also comes with more risk. Hence going with my swing for the fences mentality (at least this morning), I'd go:

• Sharpe
• Daniels
• Murray

 

[SheedSoNasty]

I’ve been excited about the thought of picking up Collins more than OG because of how few games OG has been playing. After looking at the numbers, Collins hasn’t been all that durable either.

 

[Hoopguru]

At 7? Dyson Daniels.

Thanks, but I was curious with regard to the whole draft?

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

With the #7 pick Portland takes a time machine to the night of the draft so we can all have final answers on the immediate future!

Arrghhh. The agony of waiting. Patience is NOT a virtue. Its an annoyance!