Zach Collins Post-ASG

[SportsAndWhine]

3 words:

He's. Getting. Comfortable.

Also, he has the two best possible team dads: Dame and Ed. A lot of rookies get nervous because they aren't getting support or training. Dame and Ed? You get both from them.

Imagine being a rookie big and having LaMarcus Aldridge as your team dad...

 

[andalusian]

Imagine being a rookie big and having LaMarcus Aldridge as your team dad...

This is the best conspiracy theory I ever heard about what happened to Greg Oden.

 

[SportsAndWhine]

This is the best conspiracy theory I ever heard about what happened to Greg Oden.

I was thinking Meyers Leonard, but that's not mutually exclusive!

 

[andalusian]

I was thinking Meyers Leonard, but that's not mutually exclusive!

You are saying that if LMA left Portland after two years with Oden - Greg would have added a Swish3 to his game? What could have been...

 

[Boob-No-More]

He's been solid defensively from day 1, which is very unusual for a rookie, especially a big man who didn't even start in college. And now his offense has come around. He's exactly what this team needed, a 2-way player that doesn't hurt the team at either end. Based on his +/- he's already there and will only get better with experience. Those who called him the next Meyers on draft day or during summer league should eat shit be ashamed.

He's also starting to get some recognition from the media and other players. He got some love during the GSW game, P.J. was all over him in the first quarter last night and Draymond even mentioned him in his post game interview after we beat the Warriors for the second time in 9 games. Dwight Jaynes on Talking Ball last night commented that when Zach hit that turnaround 3-pointer four people on press row, all exclaimed "Woah" in unison. People who know the game see that this kid has some special talents that you don't see in most 20-year old bigs.

It may be too late for him to make 1st team all rookie, but if he keeps getting 20+ MPG and performing like he has been, he should receive serious consideration for the 2nd team

BNM

 

[handiman]

Zach had another fantastic game, and his numbers post-asg are now off the charts:

Update:

9 Games (164 min)
FG: 22-42 = 52.4%
3FG: 8-17 = 47.1%
FT: 7-8 = 87.5%
Reb: 41 (STILL 9.0/36 min, hard to assess because he plays with Davis who is a monster rebounder)

For those not paying attention, he's now TWO FTs from 50/40/90, while playing some fantastic defense.

note: OP updated as well.

And one 3-pointer from the 50/50/90 club!

 

[SportsAndWhine]

Zach had another fantastic game, and his numbers post-asg are now off the charts:

Update:

9 Games (164 min)
FG: 22-42 = 52.4%
3FG: 8-17 = 47.1%
FT: 7-8 = 87.5%
Reb: 41 (STILL 9.0/36 min, hard to assess because he plays with Davis who is a monster rebounder)

For those not paying attention, he's now TWO FTs from 50/40/90, while playing some fantastic defense.

note: OP updated as well.

Terry Stotts's offense is built for a Dirk Nowitzki-type player who is a big guy pulling centers out of their comfort zone with ranged shooting. This is NO SLIGHT to Zach, but Meyers had a 50/40/90 season once too. And he was a big help too.

 

[Boob-No-More]

And one 3-pointer from the 50/50/90 club!

Yeah, it's only been 9 games, but to put that in perspective, Dirk Nowitzki is the only member of the 50/40/90 club over 6'9" (officially - we all know Durant is taller than his listed height of 6'9"). Dirk did it once and narrowly missed it a second time. KD has done it once.

And this is a 20-year old rookie who didn't even start in college. Not saying he's a lock to join the 50/40/90 club (there are currently only 9 members, so it's a pretty rare thing), but the kid has amazing potential. Shit, even 45/35/80 would be pretty damn good for a 7-foot defensive stud. Only three 7-footers who have qualified for the leader board in 3FGA have shot 45/35/80 for a season. Dirk has done it 15 times. KAT is currently doing it for the second time and Marc Gasol did it in 2016-17. 7-footers that can shoot that well are very rare.

BNM

 

[andalusian]

Terry Stotts's offense is built for a Dirk Nowitzki-type player who is a big guy pulling centers out of their comfort zone with ranged shooting. This is NO SLIGHT to Zach, but Meyers had a 50/40/90 season once too. And he was a big help too.

That's fair, but other than occasionally upsetting Boogie - MyLe was never a plus on defense.

 

[blue9]

You can argue that the time to give up the pick is right now. Now is when we really want to make a jump in improvement.

Giving up a pick doesn't help us make any sort of jump. It doesn't create any cap space, and we can retain our own FAs without cap space. Giving up a draft pick to REDUCE our tax bill would be stupid.

 

[julius]

Before we get too excited about the 50-40-90 club, Meyers also had similar stats. NOT saying they're the same or that Zach will pull a Meyers, but it doesn't necessarily equate future earnings.

ymmv

 

[Boob-No-More]

Terry Stotts's offense is built for a Dirk Nowitzki-type player who is a big guy pulling centers out of their comfort zone with ranged shooting. This is NO SLIGHT to Zach, but Meyers had a 50/40/90 season once too. And he was a big help too.

Yeah, but Meyers 50/40/90 season was on pretty limited attempts. He didn't come close to actually qualifying for an official 50/40/90 season. For example, he only shot 32 FTs that entire season. Zach Collins, a 20-year old rookie who didn't even crack the rotation until January has already shot more FTs (33) than Meyers did that entire season.

With Zach's defense and aggressive nature, he should have no problem getting the minutes the attempts necessary to qualify for an official 50/40/980 season in the future. The question, of course, is can he shoot that well over an extended period. Right now, he's taking people by surprise. That won't last. People (other players, the media) are already stating to notice you can't leave the rookie wide open at the 3-point line.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

Before we get too excited about the 50-40-90 club, Meyers also had similar stats. NOT saying they're the same or that Zach will pull a Meyers, but it doesn't necessarily equate future earnings.

ymmv

Sample size. To officially qualify for the 50/40/90 season you need to MAKE at least 300 FG, 82 3FG and 125 FT. During Meyers 50/40/90 season he made 125 FG, 47 3FG and 30 FT. So, he was only about 1/3 of the way there.

Of course, Collins had early season shooting woes and didn't crack the regular rotation until January. So, he won't come close to 50/40/90 this season, but going forward, he shouldn't have any problem qualifying. That will be the easy part. Actually shooting that well over an entire season is the hard part.

BNM

 

[SportsAndWhine]

I'm on board the Zach Hype Train; he's fearless in a way Meyers never was or will ever be. He's a game day player. Big Baller Brand, as Nurk would say. I just chuckle when people bring up 50/40/90 because, well... sample size.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I'm on board the Zach Hype Train; he's fearless in a way Meyers never was or will ever be. He's a game day player. Big Baller Brand, as Nurk would say. I just chuckle when people bring up 50/40/90 because, well... sample size.

Yep, but like I said, a 7-foot defensive stud that can shoot 45/35/80 is still a pretty rare thing. I think prime Marc Gasol is the only one we've ever seen (I don't think KAT qualifies as a defensive stud), and he only did it one time. 50/40/90 may be a pipe dream, but I could see Collins getting to 45/35/80.

BNM

 

[hoopsjock]

Also, he has the two best possible team dads: Dame and Ed. A lot of rookies get nervous because they aren't getting support or training. Dame and Ed? You get both from them.

Imagine being a rookie big and having LaMarcus Aldridge as your team dad...

Imagine being an S2 rookie and having @HCP as your team dad.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Imagine being an S2 rookie and having @HCP as your team dad.

I almost said that would be like Kwame Brown and Michael Jordan in WAS, but @HCP is more goat than GOAT.

BNM

 

[Hoopguru]

Imagine being an S2 rookie and having @HCP as your team dad.

to many rules!

 

[dviss1]

Why cant the blazers go to et and leonard and say the following:

We want you on this team. If tou want to be here, we need to renegotiate your contract.
We are on the rise but cant keep the team together as contructed. We beleive with one more roght addition we can be contenders.
We want you two part of that team. In order to do this, evan, we need to renegotiate your contract down to 12 mill a year but will pay 15 on the last year.
Meyers, we want you on the team but need to renegotiate your contract to 5 mill a year.


Something like that anyhow.
Make it clear they will be traded, more than likely to a team in termoil. So if you like this place, lets work together to make it all happen.


I know its a crapshoot but it isnt unheard of.

Also didnt dame get his large addidas contract after his blazers contract?
Maybe dame is willing to renegotioate down to 20 mill a year or something.
Again, allowing us to resign bazz, davis and nurk.

Just fallacy to even suggest this. It's like asking Congress to change citizens United.

They're not gonna renegotiate out of guaranteed money.

 

[BBert]

This is the best conspiracy theory I ever heard about what happened to Greg Oden.

Someone was buying him all that booze.

LaMarcus! You got some 'splainin to do!

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Hmm...I might have to adopt this.

 

[andalusian]

Hmm...I might have to adopt this.

He is quite the opposite of a hulking lumbering giant however... while I understand why the suggestion was made... it is not it.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

ZCo until I hear better.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Too bad he's not Mormon. He could be the Stormin' Mormon from Bishop Gorman.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

Evidently, he already has a nickname and it's Z-bo.

And Z-bo?

“I’m going to be honest, I have no idea why it’s Z-bo,” Gonzaga freshman center Zach Collins said. “I think it just sounds better than Z-co, has a little better ring to it, a fun vibe to it.”

BNM

 

[SportsAndWhine]

Lunchpail

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Too bad he's not Mormon. He could be the Stormin' Mormon from Bishop Gorman.

BNM

The Big Whoreman from Bishop Gorman?
The Big Hormone from Bishop Gorman?

 

[SportsAndWhine]

PrzyThreeLla (przyb3lla)

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Before we get too excited about the 50-40-90 club, Meyers also had similar stats. NOT saying they're the same or that Zach will pull a Meyers, but it doesn't necessarily equate future earnings.

ymmv

and if Meyers was in the same stratosphere as ZCo defensively, we would have made it to the second round last year. Unfortunately, Meyers is a non-NBA player because of his lack of defensive awareness. Not really fair to put the two in the same sentence, actually.

 

[BBert]

....ZacHAMMER

I like it!

But he'll need more Dunk2s