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I wish we could get Rudy Gay somehow. Become insanely efficient and is an above-average defender now.
 
MarAzul said:
What do the Blazers need to do to sell the team?
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Besides finding somebody who has that sort of coin? The critical step is to get the league to approve of the buyer. That process is pretty much arbitrary. Steve Balmer was allowed to buy the Clips after being told his bid for the Sonics was unwelcome.
 
HOW THE KNICKS CAN LAND ANTHONY DAVIS, KYRIE IRVING, AND KEVIN DURANT WITHOUT KYRIE OR KD TAKING A PAYCUT

Was just looking at this and realize the Knicks could possibly land all three with some crafty cap maneuvering. The gist of this is that New York hangs onto just enough salary to trade for AD (no more than 125% of his $27M next year and completes a trade for him after signing KD and Kyrie. Lets say the Knicks have 5 players making $22M. Compared to AD ($27M) and 4 roster holds (apx. $3.4M), New York would save $8.4M in free agency by waiting to trade for KD after they sign their guys (since they simply have to match enough salary in order to acquire AD). This exercise is done assuming that Kyrie is eligible for a designated veteran contract. If he's not, that makes things much easier. @hoopsjock @PtldPlatypus - I want you guys to tell me if this checks out or not.

So lets say the Knicks land the #1 pick (this works with any pick, they'd just have to re-arrange who they'd trade for cap space to make the salary work.

TRIMMING DOWN THE ROSTER INTO ONE AD TRADE PACKAGE
- The apx. rookie wage for the #1 pick is $10.5M). The Knicks would sign Zion for $10.5M, then wait 30 days until he's tradeable. They could then:
- Trade Frank Ntilikina and Dennis Smith for cap space and a two future 1st round picks
- Trade Lance Thomas to another team for
- Accept the team options for Damyeon Dotson and Allonzo Trier
- And then they'd have Zion, Kevin Knox, Allonzo Trier, Damyeon Dotson, and Mitchell Robinson (and picks) to trade to New Orleans.

THE MATH
- Essentially, $21.6M is barely enough to match AD's salary. The closer New York is to having that amount of active salary, combined with the most players in that package (to reduce roster holds) is what the goal is.
- Zion, Knox, Trier, Dotson, and Robinson would equal apx. $21.6M in salary.
- The Knicks would have $6.4M in dead money (Joakim Noah)
- And they'd have $5.95M in roster holds (12 - 5 x .85M [Rookie Scale Salary])
- That equals roughly $34M against the cap.
- With a projected cap of $109M, that means the Knicks would have $75M available to spend. The MAX contract for both Kryie and AD would be apx. $38.15M
- Essentially, $21.6M is barely enough to match AD's salary. The closer New York is to having that amount of active salary, combined with the most players in that package (to reduce roster holds) is what the goal is.

THE SIGNINGS
- Kevin Durant doesn't required a designated veteran contract because he already has 10 years of experience so he automatically makes 35%. He signs a contract for $37.9M in his first year.
- $75M - $37.9M = $37.1M available + $0.85M (Elimination of Roster Hold) = $37.95
- Kyrie then signs a designated veteran contract for 37.9M in his first year.

THE TRADE
- A month after New York signs Zion Williamson, they trade him, Kevin Knox, Allonzo Trier, Damyeon Dotson, Mitchell Robinson, and (if needed) future 1sts for Anthony Davis.

THE RESULT
- The Knicks have a Big 3 of Kevin Durant, Anthony Davis, and Kyrie Irving, with no other pieces at all. But given their talent and the allure of New York City, good veteran players would likely flock there for cheap contracts.
 
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Reading that Kyrie wouldn't be eligible for the designated player exception. In that case, then they'd have a much easier time than what I outlined.
 
With Kyrie only being eligible to make 30% of the cap, the Knicks could trade Thomas (to clear his $1M guaranteed next year)

And Keep - Zion, DSJ, Knox, Ntilikina, Robinson and Dotson (while declining Trier's option). Those 6 would equal apx. $27.4M. Noah's dead money added on equals $33.8M. With 6 roster holds, that equates to 38.9 against a $109M cap, meaning they'd have $70.1M available.

Signing KD for $38.15M (.35 x 109) means they'd have $32.8M left after equating for the roster hold being eliminated.

Kyrie's max would be $32.7M (.30 x 109), which they could then sign him too.

Then they could pick any combination of Zion, DSJ, Knox, Ntilikina, Robinson, and Dotson that accounts for enough salary to match Anthony Davis.

This would work with any other Top 6 Pick other than Zion because it'd still be enough salary to trade for Anthony Davis.
 
wizenheimer said:
sure seems like most times, management will clear as much salary as they can before a sale. Selling a 3rd of 4th seed team with playoff problems that is several million dollars over the tax line with limited flexibility and upside would not be nearly as good as selling a lottery team with a low payroll, high flexibility, some young prospects with potential, and some future high draft picks

last I heard, Jody Allen had no interest at all in owning the Blazers long term. She's not much of a BB fan from what I read and in 30 years only attended a handful of games and none recently, IIRC. Could be wrong about her attendance though. Owning an NBA team can certainly be profitable, but if she can sell the Blazers for over a billion dollars, that has to have her attention
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She may have no interest in owning the team but this is not the Charlotte Hornets or Sacramento Kings. This is a highly respected team and it operates well in the black with a rabid fan base ( many of you need your shots btw) Selling the Blazers may net you 2 billion today but what would it net you in 10 years? So in a financial scenario she may decide to keep it. I do not know anything about Jody Allen or her social life or what her aspirations are but owning a successful sports franchise puts you in an exclusive club and opens a few doors you cant get in to without one. The list of people and corporations that can afford to buy the Blazers is relatively short in the grand scheme of things but trust me they have all called and placed an offer.
Now you may think we have problems (and we do ) and we are a small market team but I would be willing to bet that we are in the top ten NBA franchises to own right now.
So I disagree with the lottery team with picks being better then a team knocking on the door and possibly being one player away from a championship contender as a better sell. 1 gives you a possibility of having a maybe championship caliber team and no tax in 5 years and no TV money. The other gives you TV money now, better season ticket sales and better swag sales shoe deals and whatnot.
So I think NO has been given the green light to do just about anything as long as it advances us through the playoffs if he succeeds and Jody decides to keep the team he could be the GM with Carte Blanche and no interference from the owner as longs we they operate in the black and win
This is my opinion and what I think is going on behind the scenes
 
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Prediction:

ET, Meyers, a 1st, and a 2nd for Kyle Anderson, Garrett Temple, and JaMychal Green
 
BonesJones said:
Prediction:

ET, Meyers, a 1st, and a 2nd for Kyle Anderson, Garrett Temple, and JaMychal Green
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I can’t believe I’m saying this but based on how Meyers has played this year, is this really that much of an upgrade? Especially considering Anderson is basically just ET but a bit better on a less bad contract.
 
DollaBel said:
I can’t believe I’m saying this but based on how Meyers has played this year, is this really that much of an upgrade? Especially considering Anderson is basically just ET but a bit better on a less bad contract.
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Exactly.
 
borim69 said:
She may have no interest in owning the team but this is not the Charlotte Hornets or Sacramento Kings. This is a highly respected team and it operates well in the black with a rabid fan base ( many of you need your shots btw) Selling the Blazers may net you 2 billion today but what would it net you in 10 years? So in a financial scenario she may decide to keep it. I do not know anything about Jody Allen or her social life or what her aspirations are but owning a successful sports franchise puts you in an exclusive club and opens a few doors you cant get in to without one. The list of people and corporations that can afford to buy the Blazers is relatively short in the grand scheme of things but trust me they have all called and placed an offer.
Now you may think we have problems (and we do ) and we are a small market team but I would be willing to bet that we are in the top ten NBA franchises to own right now.
So I disagree with the lottery team with picks being better then a team knocking on the door and possibly being one player away from a championship contender as a better sell. 1 gives you a possibility of having a maybe championship caliber team and no tax in 5 years and no TV money. The other gives you TV money now, better season ticket sales and better swag sales shoe deals and whatnot.
So I think NO has been given the green light to do just about anything as long as it advances us through the playoffs if he succeeds and Jody decides to keep the team he could be the GM with Carte Blanche and no interference from the owner as longs we they operate in the black and win
This is my opinion and what I think is going on behind the scenes
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Seems I read somewhere? that she has a son thats getting more involved. Also, Im sure Paul left whats is wishes were regarding succession. Its just my guess, but I would think Paul would covered a base for Bert Kolde.
 
BonesJones said:
HOW THE KNICKS CAN LAND ANTHONY DAVIS, KYRIE IRVING, AND KEVIN DURANT WITHOUT KYRIE OR KD TAKING A PAYCUT

Was just looking at this and realize the Knicks could possibly land all three with some crafty cap maneuvering. The gist of this is that New York hangs onto just enough salary to trade for AD (no more than 125% of his $27M next year and completes a trade for him after signing KD and Kyrie. Lets say the Knicks have 5 players making $22M. Compared to AD ($27M) and 4 roster holds (apx. $3.4M), New York would save $8.4M in free agency by waiting to trade for KD after they sign their guys (since they simply have to match enough salary in order to acquire AD). This exercise is done assuming that Kyrie is eligible for a designated veteran contract. If he's not, that makes things much easier. @hoopsjock @PtldPlatypus - I want you guys to tell me if this checks out or not.

So lets say the Knicks land the #1 pick (this works with any pick, they'd just have to re-arrange who they'd trade for cap space to make the salary work.

TRIMMING DOWN THE ROSTER INTO ONE AD TRADE PACKAGE
- The apx. rookie wage for the #1 pick is $10.5M). The Knicks would sign Zion for $10.5M, then wait 30 days until he's tradeable. They could then:
- Trade Frank Ntilikina and Dennis Smith for cap space and a two future 1st round picks
- Trade Lance Thomas to another team for
- Accept the team options for Damyeon Dotson and Allonzo Trier
- And then they'd have Zion, Kevin Knox, Allonzo Trier, Damyeon Dotson, and Mitchell Robinson (and picks) to trade to New Orleans.

THE MATH
- Essentially, $21.6M is barely enough to match AD's salary. The closer New York is to having that amount of active salary, combined with the most players in that package (to reduce roster holds) is what the goal is.
- Zion, Knox, Trier, Dotson, and Robinson would equal apx. $21.6M in salary.
- The Knicks would have $6.4M in dead money (Joakim Noah)
- And they'd have $5.95M in roster holds (12 - 5 x .85M [Rookie Scale Salary])
- That equals roughly $34M against the cap.
- With a projected cap of $109M, that means the Knicks would have $75M available to spend. The MAX contract for both Kryie and AD would be apx. $38.15M
- Essentially, $21.6M is barely enough to match AD's salary. The closer New York is to having that amount of active salary, combined with the most players in that package (to reduce roster holds) is what the goal is.

THE SIGNINGS
- Kevin Durant doesn't required a designated veteran contract because he already has 10 years of experience so he automatically makes 35%. He signs a contract for $37.9M in his first year.
- $75M - $37.9M = $37.1M available + $0.85M (Elimination of Roster Hold) = $37.95
- Kyrie then signs a designated veteran contract for 37.9M in his first year.

THE TRADE
- A month after New York signs Zion Williamson, they trade him, Kevin Knox, Allonzo Trier, Damyeon Dotson, Mitchell Robinson, and (if needed) future 1sts for Anthony Davis.

THE RESULT
- The Knicks have a Big 3 of Kevin Durant, Anthony Davis, and Kyrie Irving, with no other pieces at all. But given their talent and the allure of New York City, good veteran players would likely flock there for cheap contracts.
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Davis, Durant, Kyrie, and Zion...Spike Lee would shit himself
 
Chris Craig said:
Davis, Durant, Kyrie, and Zion...Spike Lee would shit himself
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Nah, theyd have to trade Zion. It's a work around based off not having enough cap space to trade for AD and then sign Kyrie and KD. Having salary to barely match while also reducing roster holds.
 
My motor bones have spoken:
Turner & Leonard for Harrison Barnes
 
Report: Portland buyer at trade deadline, first-round pick “in play”

The Portland Trail Blazers are good: Damian Lillard is having another All-NBA level season, C.J. McCollum is a high-quality scorer, and Jusuf Nurkic has stepped up his game of late. At 32-20, Portland would have home court in the first round of the playoffs if they started today.

But are the Blazers a real playoff threat? When teams start trapping Lillard and McCollum, can Portland counter and make teams pay?

The questions about them in the playoffs has the Blazers as potential buyers at the trade deadline, reports Zach Lowe of ESPN.
Portland stands a potential buyer — an under-the-radar really good team with questions about its postseason viability. The Trail Blazers have put their first-round pick in play, per sources around the league. They have investigated Porter’s availability. Taurean Prince makes some sense; he’s up for an extension this summer, and the Hawks have made him available, sources say. As a free agent non-destination, the Blazers value players whose rights they can control.

But the Hawks are asking a lot so far — a young player and a pick — and haven’t gotten much traction on Prince trades, sources say.

Another off-the-beaten path name from Orlando: Evan Fournier — a wing who could give Portland or some other team some shooting and playmaking. He has two years and $34 million left on his contract; if the Magic aren’t thrilled with that deal, they could suss out his value.

The problem is Portland is already $7.9 million into the luxury tax this season and are poised to be a tax payer again next season — they also want to move off salary. To improve a team and lower the tax bill (by sending out bad contracts) comes at a high cost, and a first-round pick alone is not enough.

The challenge at the trade deadline this season is there are a lot more buyers than sellers, which dampens the market. While the buzz focuses around possible Anthony Davis and Mike Conley trades, there will be smaller deals that get done, maybe just not that many of them this year. But the Trail Blazers are one team that could pull a trade off, keep an eye on them.

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2019/02/0...d-pick-in-play/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
 
borim69 said:
She may have no interest in owning the team but this is not the Charlotte Hornets or Sacramento Kings. This is a highly respected team and it operates well in the black with a rabid fan base ( many of you need your shots btw) Selling the Blazers may net you 2 billion today but what would it net you in 10 years? So in a financial scenario she may decide to keep it. I do not know anything about Jody Allen or her social life or what her aspirations are but owning a successful sports franchise puts you in an exclusive club and opens a few doors you cant get in to without one. The list of people and corporations that can afford to buy the Blazers is relatively short in the grand scheme of things but trust me they have all called and placed an offer.
Now you may think we have problems (and we do ) and we are a small market team but I would be willing to bet that we are in the top ten NBA franchises to own right now.
So I disagree with the lottery team with picks being better then a team knocking on the door and possibly being one player away from a championship contender as a better sell. 1 gives you a possibility of having a maybe championship caliber team and no tax in 5 years and no TV money. The other gives you TV money now, better season ticket sales and better swag sales shoe deals and whatnot.
So I think NO has been given the green light to do just about anything as long as it advances us through the playoffs if he succeeds and Jody decides to keep the team he could be the GM with Carte Blanche and no interference from the owner as longs we they operate in the black and win
This is my opinion and what I think is going on behind the scenes
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I don't know about all that as it sure requires a lot of assumptions to be true

but maybe I'm operating under an assumption that may, or may not be true myself. I know there are at least a couple of accountant/financial-planners posting here who may be able to disabuse me of some faulty assumptions I may have:

Paul Allen had a huge estate at the time of his death...over 20B. Even though he was heavy into non-profits and had supposedly pledged to give away a substantial portion of his wealth, there will still be a substantial portion going to his heirs, including the Seahawks and Blazers. The Seahawks are worth around 2.6-2.8B. The Blazers are worth around 1.3B and I don't believe that includes the Moda Center which is a separate entity, although I may have that wrong. So that's at least 4B, maybe quite a bit more, for the sports franchises....

....what will the estate taxes be on just those sports franchises? on 4 billion? The top rate is 40% but obviously, much of it would be taxed at a lower rate. I know there are plenty of loopholes, but even if they could get the total tax on the sports teams down to 15%, that's still at least 600M. Where is that cash going to come from? Jody Allen has said she wants to keep the Seahawks and that she will continue to run the Vulcan group. I'm assuming the Vulcan Group carries non-sports assets on it's books that might be worth a few billion more.

but if eventually, there is an estate tax bill approaching 1 billion and she has little interest in running the Blazers or owning it, the solution sure seems to be to raise the needed tax cash by selling the least favorite sports team

now maybe, they've done such masterful financial planning that I'm significantly over-estimating the estate tax. But that's why I'm asking this as a question
 
bradk8605 said:
Biggest winner of the NY/DAL trade is Atlanta since Atlanta gets Dallas 1st round pick this year. If Dallas continues to suck, Atlanta could end up with two Top 10 picks.
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it's protected for picks 1-5 so you can bet the Mavericks will be really pulling for a long-shot result in the lottery

right now, Dallas has about a 10% chance to land in the top-4. But they are only 2.5 games behind Orlando which has a 32% chance at top-4; and 4 games behind Memphis which has a 37% chance

I'd anticipate Dallas 'suffering' a lot of minor injuries the rest of the way
 
bradk8605 said:
Biggest winner of the NY/DAL trade is Atlanta since Atlanta gets Dallas 1st round pick this year. If Dallas continues to suck, Atlanta could end up with two Top 10 picks.
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Yes, I think Dallas should be like no. 8 or so this year. That will be big coup for Atlanta.

I also want Atlanta to get Zion. They are the sort of tanking team I can get behind. Had a good team, did not win, tried to get an alpha type star but instead saw Horford leave for Boston but they still have it another season with Millsap leading before dismantling the team. Now they are trying to rebuild and have some fun players in Trae, Huerter and Collins. Zion would fit in there.

Chicago, Knicks, Suns are just terribly run franchises who don’t deserve top talent, Cleveland have had way too many lottery luck.
 
wizenheimer said:
it's protected for picks 1-5 so you can bet the Mavericks will be really pulling for a long-shot result in the lottery

right now, Dallas has about a 10% chance to land in the top-4. But they are only 2.5 games behind Orlando which has a 32% chance at top-4; and 4 games behind Memphis which has a 37% chance

I'd anticipate Dallas 'suffering' a lot of minor injuries the rest of the way
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23-28 now with 31 games to go... if they pull Doncic out of the team with ‘injury’ within the next 5 they will probably finish the season 7-24 or worse.
 
Fournier would be such a terrible acquisition, please don’t go there. His contract runs until 2021 so even if we trade our bad deals for him we are still doing bad business here.
 
Im thinking Dallas is wanting to shore up the 5, and a wing defender/ball handler.
The Mav's aren't done, and Barnes needs a change of scenery. Neil's working on it as I type.
 
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