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Why do they love Aminu so much?
I like him ok, off the court he seems awesome. Ive never really understood it every time I hear it. I think his contract is a strong one.
Im tired... Im not looking for an arguement just an explanation would suffice.
 
However, according to Tim Bontemps of ESPN, the younger Celtics players have grown tired of the number of minutes that Hayward has been playing on a nightly basis.

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That doesn’t sound good. I think Hayward is definitely available. Also 0% chance Olshey hasn’t fapped to his highlights before.
 
Scalma said:
However, according to Tim Bontemps of ESPN, the younger Celtics players have grown tired of the number of minutes that Hayward has been playing on a nightly basis.

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That doesn’t sound good. I think Hayward is definitely available.
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He was the only person that made sense even though the 'sauce' gave no details. Does Boston just keep going with it or admit it isn't working with all the other wing players they have?

Big risk to take on and even bigger contact.... but it might be the chance that a team like the Blazers needs.
 
Scalma said:
However, according to Tim Bontemps of ESPN, the younger Celtics players have grown tired of the number of minutes that Hayward has been playing on a nightly basis.

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That doesn’t sound good. I think Hayward is definitely available. Also 0% chance Olshey hasn’t fapped to his highlights before.
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Who knows, he picked Aminu in front of Hayward in the draft.
 
Scalma said:
Lowe bringing some heat
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25902818/nba-trade-deadline-preview-zach-lowe-expect

• We know the Hawks, Cavaliers, Bulls, and Grizzlies are selling their veterans with the zeal of Crazy Eddie. We know the Pelicans have been forced into holding trade talks for a future Hall of Famer; they have also made Nikola Mirotic, Julius Randle and E'Twaun Moore available, sources have told ESPN. We know that Bradley Beal, Kemba Walker, and Otto Porter likely aren't available, though Porter has drawn preliminary interest over the past few months from Utah, Portland, Dallas, and some other buyers, per league sources.

The Pacers sniffed around an offer sheet for Gordon. Utah could use one more infusion of talent. How fun could a Gordon-John Collins frontline look in Atlanta? Would Portland gamble on Gordon's long-term fit next to Damian Lillard and C.J. McCollum? (They almost certainly wouldn't trade McCollum straight up for Gordon.)

The Blazers love Al-Farouq Aminu. They would aim to keep him. Aminu fits best at power forward -- Gordon's position. Then again, is there really a difference between a Maurice Harkless-Aminu forward combination and a Gordon-Aminu pairing? What about the Spurs (more on them later)? Dallas investigated Gordon's availability before the Porzingis deal, sources have said.

Gordon would mark a bold play for someone. But the Magic need him to stay competitive. They know his trade value will only increase as his contract declines and the salary cap rises.

• Portland stands a potential buyer -- an under-the-radar really good team with questions about its postseason viability. They have put their first-round pick in play, per sources around the league. They have investigated Porter's availability. Taurean Prince makes some sense; he's up for an extension this summer, and the Hawks have made him available, sources say. As a free agent non-destination, the Blazers value players whose rights they can control.

But the Hawks are asking a lot so far -- a young player and a pick -- and haven't gotten much traction on Prince trades, sources say.

Another off-the-beaten path name from Orlando: Evan Fournier -- a wing who could give Portland or some other team some shooting and playmaking. He has two years and $34 million left on his contract; if the Magic aren't thrilled with that deal, they could suss out his value.
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I read that kind of stuff and get just a tiny sensation of excitement, but my Olshey pessimism is overwhelming any optimism I might gin up for the trade deadline

for one thing, I think all those reports of Portland being aggressive are mostly just spin coming out of the Blazer front office. Portland has a 1st round pick in the 20's so of course it's "in play". It would be stupid if it wasn't. That's not news

maybe I'm wrong...I hope I am...but I just can't help thinking that all these reports of Portland being active are from Olshey talking to lots of other front offices and essentially offering very little positive value, for substantially better value. Maybe this will be the deadline he does something significant but it may be all that happens, if anything, is a player like Baldwin traded with some cash for a far-future top-55 second round pick, saving the Blazers 3M in tax
 
TBpup said:
He was the only person that made sense even though the 'sauce' gave no details. Does Boston just keep going with it or admit it isn't working with all the other wing players they have?

Big risk to take on and even bigger contact.... but it might be the chance that a team like the Blazers needs.
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If Olshey gets ownership ok to take on the final year of Hayward I could see it happening.

Dame
CJ
Hayward
Aminu
Nurkic

Looks pretty balanced. I’m guessing Boston would want Harkless instead of Leonard since they’re pretty set at center. So the second unit could then look like this.

Curry
Layman
Hayward
Collins
Leonard

Although if we could get away with not including a first in the Boston deal, we could then trade it for someone else. Mirotic for example. Now that’s a squad.

But what is this call you speak of? Can’t just throw that out there and not give an explanation sir!
 
wizenheimer said:
I read that kind of stuff and get just a tiny sensation of excitement, but my Olshey pessimism is overwhelming any optimism I might gin up for the trade deadline

for one thing, I think all those reports of Portland being aggressive are mostly just spin coming out of the Blazer front office. Portland has a 1st round pick in the 20's so of course it's "in play". It would be stupid if it wasn't. That's not news

maybe I'm wrong...I hope I am...but I just can't help thinking that all these reports of Portland being active are from Olshey talking to lots of other front offices and essentially offering very little positive value, for substantially better value. Maybe this will be the deadline he does something significant but it may be all that happens, if anything, is a player like Baldwin traded with some cash for a far-future top-55 second round pick, saving the Blazers 3M in tax
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None of those names makes the Blazers a contender though...
 
wizenheimer said:
I read that kind of stuff and get just a tiny sensation of excitement, but my Olshey pessimism is overwhelming any optimism I might gin up for the trade deadline

for one thing, I think all those reports of Portland being aggressive are mostly just spin coming out of the Blazer front office. Portland has a 1st round pick in the 20's so of course it's "in play". It would be stupid if it wasn't. That's not news

maybe I'm wrong...I hope I am...but I just can't help thinking that all these reports of Portland being active are from Olshey talking to lots of other front offices and essentially offering very little positive value, for substantially better value. Maybe this will be the deadline he does something significant but it may be all that happens, if anything, is a player like Baldwin traded with some cash for a far-future top-55 second round pick, saving the Blazers 3M in tax
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That’s the expectation but at the same time Portland hasn’t been this far above .500 at the deadline in years. Last year they were a couple games over. Year before they were well under. Olshey doesn’t have excuses this year.

Edit: let me rephrase. Olshey will have a harder time explaining not making any moves to upgrade the roster this year.
 
@Scalma ....I made reference to it before. I received a call a couple of days ago that Portland and Boston had been in touch. I PM'd @BonesJones and notified him but it was short because there were no details given.... just that they had spoken in some manner.

After that, I've just tried to speculate what that might have been about. To me, Hayward seemsed the most obvious and PERHAPS articles like the above lends credence.... who knows.
 
TBpup said:
@Scalma ....I made reference to it before. I received a call a couple of days ago that Portland and Boston had been in touch. I PM'd @BonesJones and notified him but it was short because there were no details given.... just that they had spoken in some manner.

After that, I've just tried to speculate what that might have been about. To me, Hayward seemsed the most obvious and PERHAPS articles like the above lends credence.... who knows.
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Imagine Olshey and Ainge negotiating with each other jfc. That’s not going to lead anyyyyywhere.
 
Scalma said:
If Olshey gets ownership ok to take on the final year of Hayward I could see it happening.

Dame
CJ
Hayward
Aminu
Nurkic
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next 2 seasons:

Dame - 30.7M
CJ - 28.5M
Hayward - 33.5M
Nurkic - 12M

105M for 4 players with the tax threshold being in the 30-35M range

all Portland has to do is have 10 more players signed for no more than 25-30M combined....unless the thinking is 2 more years of heavy taxes is a good sales pitch

that just doesn't seem like good fiscal management for a team that's likely for sale. But maybe my assumption that the Vulcans have insisted on sound financial decisions and tax reduction is off base
 
Celtics Get:

Anthony Davis
Evan Turner
Maurice Harkless

Pelicans Get:

Jason Tatum
Meyers Leonard
Marcus Smart
2 firsts from Boston
1-2 firsts from Portland

Blazers Get:
Gordon Hayward
Nikola Mirotic
 
wizenheimer said:
next 2 seasons:

Dame - 30.7M
CJ - 28.5M
Hayward - 33.5M
Nurkic - 12M

105M for 4 players with the tax threshold being in the 30-35M range

all Portland has to do is have 10 more players signed for no more than 25-30M combined....unless the thinking is 2 more years of heavy taxes is a good sales pitch

that just doesn't seem like good fiscal management for a team that's likely for sale. But maybe my assumption that the Vulcans have insisted on sound financial decisions and tax reduction is off base
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If they were actually selling the team they’d probably want to present the best possible team, no? But so far all that is just speculation since I haven’t read or heard anywhere that they’re even thinking about a sale. There’s really no reason to sell an NBA team unless you’re desperate for the money. It’s too good for business.
 
TBpup said:
@Scalma ....I made reference to it before. I received a call a couple of days ago that Portland and Boston had been in touch. I PM'd @BonesJones and notified him but it was short because there were no details given.... just that they had spoken in some manner.

After that, I've just tried to speculate what that might have been about. To me, Hayward seemsed the most obvious and PERHAPS articles like the above lends credence.... who knows.
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Boston wants us to help them get Davis.
 
Chris Craig said:
Celtics Get:

Anthony Davis
Evan Turner
Maurice Harkless

Pelicans Get:

Jason Tatum
Meyers Leonard
Marcus Smart
2 firsts from Boston
1-2 firsts from Portland

Blazers Get:
Gordon Hayward
Nikola Mirotic
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Can't do this til the summer, but I'm down
 
Scalma said:
If they were actually selling the team they’d probably want to present the best possible team, no? But so far all that is just speculation since I haven’t read or heard anywhere that they’re even thinking about a sale. There’s really no reason to sell an NBA team unless you’re desperate for the money. It’s too good for business.
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sure seems like most times, management will clear as much salary as they can before a sale. Selling a 3rd of 4th seed team with playoff problems that is several million dollars over the tax line with limited flexibility and upside would not be nearly as good as selling a lottery team with a low payroll, high flexibility, some young prospects with potential, and some future high draft picks

last I heard, Jody Allen had no interest at all in owning the Blazers long term. She's not much of a BB fan from what I read and in 30 years only attended a handful of games and none recently, IIRC. Could be wrong about her attendance though. Owning an NBA team can certainly be profitable, but if she can sell the Blazers for over a billion dollars, that has to have her attention
 
Scalma said:
If Olshey gets ownership ok to take on the final year of Hayward I could see it happening.

Dame
CJ
Hayward
Aminu
Nurkic

Looks pretty balanced. I’m guessing Boston would want Harkless instead of Leonard since they’re pretty set at center. So the second unit could then look like this.

Curry
Layman
Hayward
Collins
Leonard

Although if we could get away with not including a first in the Boston deal, we could then trade it for someone else. Mirotic for example. Now that’s a squad.

But what is this call you speak of? Can’t just throw that out there and not give an explanation sir!
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SO Hayward is going to play the entire game? I am thinking someone else would have to be the SF with the second unit
 
TBpup said:
Except Davis isn't high on Boston and certainly his father isn't either.

@Chris Craig ...Davis can't go to Boston now anyhow so that part would have to wait. Also, of all the people they might move, Tatum is not one of them IMO.
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Well I can't see Boston helping us
 
twobullz said:
SO Hayward is going to play the entire game? I am thinking someone else would have to be the SF with the second unit
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Just stagger Hayward like we did CJ all these years. If not, give Trent a chance.
 
Some nuggets in Lowe's piece:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25902818/nba-trade-deadline-preview-zach-lowe-expect

• Portland stands a potential buyer -- an under-the-radar really good team with questions about its postseason viability. The Trail Blazers have put their first-round pick in play, per sources around the league. They have investigated Porter's availability. Taurean Prince makes some sense; he's up for an extension this summer, and the Hawks have made him available, sources say. As a free agent non-destination, the Blazers value players whose rights they can control.

But the Hawks are asking a lot so far -- a young player and a pick -- and haven't gotten much traction on Prince trades, sources say.

Another off-the-beaten path name from Orlando: Evan Fournier -- a wing who could give Portland or some other team some shooting and playmaking. He has two years and $34 million left on his contract; if the Magic aren't thrilled with that deal, they could suss out his value.

• Portland is also over the tax. Can the Blazers somehow improve their team and cut their current year's tax bill? Keep an eye on the Raptors making a move to trim their tax bill if they can find one that doesn't hurt their team.
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• A player-centric version of this question that is fun to bat around with executives and agents: Who might be available -- or at least gettable -- that we don't expect? I keep coming back to Aaron Gordon. The Magic designed his descending contract to make him ultra-tradable. Like Vucevic, he just doesn't fit a long-term vision that has Bamba and Isaac starting.

The Pacers sniffed around an offer sheet for Gordon. Utah could use one more infusion of talent. How fun would a Gordon-John Collins frontline look in Atlanta? Would Portland gamble on Gordon's long-term fit next to Damian Lillard and CJ McCollum? (They almost certainly wouldn't trade McCollum straight up for Gordon.)

The Blazers love Al-Farouq Aminu. They would aim to keep him. Aminu fits best at power forward -- Gordon's position. Then again, is there really a difference between a Maurice Harkless-Aminu forward combination and a Gordon-Aminu pairing? What about the Spurs (more on them later)? Dallas investigated Gordon's availability before the Porzingis deal, sources have said.
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Why do they refer to Gordon as a PF? He has played that this year but he is obviously out of position. He's been a SF all of his life. There is no problem with an Aminu/Gordon frontcourt.
 
TBpup said:
Why do they refer to Gordon as a PF? He has played that this year but he is obviously out of position. He's been a SF all of his life. There is no problem with an Aminu/Gordon frontcourt.
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His best production has come at PF. He played there last year and was also a PF in college.
 
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