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Pinwheel1 said:
Moving forward or the 25 games after the allstar break? That to me is the dilemma for Neil. A blockbuster obviously would take care of both but as you said won't happen. What helps us moving forward? Keeping our pick? Getting out of the luxury tax? a young player with potential (i.e Prince) a starter next year at PF? I am not sure we will be happy with any of these but I would take a chance on Mirotic
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I like mirotic as well. The pick we will get will be useless to us. Harkless and a first to the pelicans for mirotic. That’s what I would like to see
 
TBpup said:
Paul George would never want to go to the Thunder and will absolutely leave to sign with the Lakers.
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That's absolutely true - a 1 in 10 chance, but planning on hitting on a 1 in 10 chance isn't a good way to run a franchise, generally. It WAS a good move for OKC because they were in a corner. So, 1 in 10 was better than doing nothing.
 
Cippy91 said:
I like mirotic as well. The pick we will get will be useless to us. Harkless and a first to the pelicans for mirotic. That’s what I would like to see
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The pelicans probably don't want Hark's contract at this time but they could turn around and move it next year for a 2nd round pick.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
That's absolutely true - a 1 in 10 chance, but planning on hitting on a 1 in 10 chance isn't a good way to run a franchise, generally. It WAS a good move for OKC because they were in a corner. So, 1 in 10 was better than doing nothing.
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Some fans would say Portland has been doing quite a bit of 'nothing' for several years now. 2 wins beyond the 1st round of the Playoffs in umpteen seasons doesn't seem very far from nothing.
 
Cippy91 said:
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I think this is what we are waiting for. NO needs to clear a bunch of room on their roster to make this kinda move. A Mirotic and Frazier for Moe+ pick gives em a roster spot. I expect something like that to happen by the end of the day.

Still a bit disappointing. I dont like the idea of giving up our pick for a rental.
 
yuyuza1 said:
I still can't understand why the Bulls took on Porter
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Zach Lowe had a decent bit about it. Basically, no FA is going there anytime soon, so overpay a bit for a guy who got overpaid (and whose team now doesn't want to afford him), but raises the level of play.

I mean, it's not horrible to suggest that CJ is our Porter (really good player who maybe is not worth the max, but worth it to us at the time and definitely worth it not to lose him).
 
BrianFromWA said:
Zach Lowe had a decent bit about it. Basically, no FA is going there anytime soon, so overpay a bit for a guy who got overpaid (and whose team now doesn't want to afford him), but raises the level of play.

I mean, it's not horrible to suggest that CJ is our Porter (really good player who maybe is not worth the max, but worth it to us at the time and definitely worth it not to lose him).
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But they have been a historically cheap franchise and don't really need him to win their 30 games.
 
I don't understand why some people are acting like it has to be a blockbuster trade in order for people to be happy.

Guys like Saric and Prince are possibly available and would at the very least give us a cheap rotation player next year that could still break out too. Bobby Portis got moved yesterday, he would be an upgrade to our PF spot and could probably still be had from Washington. All 3 of those guys fit in our TPE and are likely available for picks.
 
oldmangrouch said:
Who said "huge blockbuster or nothing"? A number of players better than Hood changed hands this season, and none of them were in "blockbusters."
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Even Toronto traded their best Player/fan fav for a shot at Leonard. Would you have done the same with our fav Dame for a spin the wheel move for Leonard or even Davis now?
 
Hoopguru said:
Ok, that player to get us a championship?
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So what are you saying? Should we pass on every deal unless it takes us from here to a title in one jump? What advantage is there to losing in the first round as opposed to making it to the second round, or even the WCF? Improvement by steps is still improvement.
 
TBpup said:
Some fans would say Portland has been doing quite a bit of 'nothing' for several years now. 2 wins beyond the 1st round of the Playoffs in umpteen seasons doesn't seem very far from nothing.
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He hasn't been doing nothing, he's been doing incremental advantage, which can be frustrating.

Fundamentally, I think our differences come down to this: You say Neil screwed up royally, and I say that he had bad luck combined with some minor screw ups... and we're still paying for it, and will pay for it for a while longer. Of course, I am talking about how he set up the franchise to have everyone be free agent at the same time (good), but it was the worst possible year for that to happen. Then he doubled down on Crabbe and ET. Everyone who signed FAs that year was screwed, but us more so because we had so many FAs.
 
yuyuza1 said:
But they have been a historically cheap franchise and don't really need him to win their 30 games.
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Not denying, per se, but they a) have to spend 90% of the cap anyway and b) if he gets them from 30 to 35, they're a playoff contender. And the Jerrys (I know they're not "the Jerrys" anymore, but I like saying it) aren't gonna laugh at that playoff revenue. And I'd personally rather have OPJ going forward than Jabari and an about-to-be-expensive Portis.
 
"We’ve seen 12 major deals in the past eight days in the NBA, involving more than 40 players and a dozen draft picks, but what we have yet to see is the deal we’ve all been waiting for: Something involving Davis."

~Sean Deveney
 
Hoopguru said:
Even Toronto traded their best Player/fan fav for a shot at Leonard. Would you have done the same with our fav Dame for a spin the wheel move for Leonard or even Davis now?
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Decent point, and "no". Obviously I'd do it for CJ, but I have Demar a tier below Dame, and Lowry et al. a bit above our not-Dames.
 
oldmangrouch said:
So what are you saying? Should we pass on every deal unless it takes us from here to a title in one jump? What advantage is there to losing in the first round as opposed to making it to the second round, or even the WCF? Improvement by steps is still improvement.
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Not at all.
Just that real wired needle movers are hard to acquire unless you are willing to give up somone that can do the same.
 
As much as i would like to see something it's possible NeO thinks he could sneak in a have a chance to get AD during the summer so why make a trade for trade sake and lose a piece that could have been used to get AD. Also the rumor the Blazer were after Marc Gasol could have been another one of NeO's great low ball offers just to see like he is notorious for doing.

I am just playing devil's advocate but we all know NeO does not think that much ahead so prolly not the case if nothing else happens.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
He hasn't been doing nothing, he's been doing incremental advantage, which can be frustrating.

Fundamentally, I think our differences come down to this: You say Neil screwed up royally, and I say that he had bad luck combined with some minor screw ups... and we're still paying for it, and will pay for it for a while longer. Of course, I am talking about how he set up the franchise to have everyone be free agent at the same time (good), but it was the worst possible year for that to happen. Then he doubled down on Crabbe and ET. Everyone who signed FAs that year was screwed, but us more so because we had so many FAs.
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But there are moves to be made that can help the incremental approach. I'm fine if that is the plan but you can't just trade for Hood (an unrestricted free agent with no bird rights) and then claim you're still taking the incremental approach. That's a move that only slightly helps this season and most likely not future growth. At least if you traded for picks or a player with time left on his contract we could justify it with the incremental excuse.
 
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