Game Thread 2023-24 GAME #4 - BLAZERS @ RAPTORS - MONDAY - OCTOBER 30, 2023 - 4:30 PM PST - ROOT

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illmatic99 said:
shaedon has legit two-way potential and i'll fight anyone who says otherwise. don't point me to advanced stats from last year either-- i know what i'm seeing on the floor.
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I've been saying this since last year. He could be an MVP, he has that level of potential.
 
Everything Beagle said:
I see so much Clyde Drexler in his game, no joke... Shae's potential ceiling might be higher
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I agree. Sharpe's ceiling is unlimited with his gifts. He needs to improve his handle and be more aggressive on offense. On defense he just need to keep improving as he has been doing. He has the ability to be UTTERLY DOMINANT on both ends of the court. That block he had tonight at the apex was absolutely unreal. I've never seen a guy his height get a ball that high for a block, never!
 
That was an experience. A happening, even.

Henderson has incredible burst and I was unhappy not to get to see him alongside Simons. Henderson's a bit green right now and plays very hard. There were a few stretches where he was leading charges in both directions and looked great. I know you guys were unhappy with Brogdon but I think you're gonna see him and Henderson tilt in the other direction once Henderson is more comfortable. I haven't seen him enough to be able to predict how long that will be and will take your word for it.

Sharpe very much reminds me of Tracy McGrady which I may have said last season. He's an electrifying player. Someone earlier in this thread said they were unsure what Sharpe's reaction from the home crowd would be. I think Canada has produced enough pro players right now where it's a different reaction for Murray, SGA, than it is for a rookie-sophomore. The home broadcast said he had many family members and friends in attendance. But I digress. I think you would want him at least being third in shot attempts?

Ayton had a heap of rebounds thanks in small part to Toronto taking 94-shots and barely hitting 40%, with 4-29 three point shooting. 51-47 rebounding there were loads of rebounds there for the big man. Toronto needed 100-shots to make 100-points which is just not sustainable to say the least. He has a very nice touch around the basket and could comfortably have doubled his shots tonight if not for Jeremi Grant who went so wild on a couple of plays I hardly believe it.

Toumani Camara is new to me this season also and did exactly what you want from a second rounder--hustling, making an impact, not forcing anything. Bright spot.

Scottie Barnes has been the best player in Toronto this season. I don't think much needs to be said, it's clear he's improved in several key areas and is on track. He looked very bummed to be losing. Poeltl also looks miserable. Feeling very uneasy about this start. Trent, Siakam, and Anunoby are all in contract years but Schroder and Boucher are the veterans who have looked the part this season.

The Raptors broadcasters were very complimentary of the Trailblazers franchise and to their players during the game.

Raptors legend Chauncey Billups. Dunno how many of you remember that season (97), he spent half of it in Boston then didn't return the next season; in any case, guess whose rookie season it was? T-Mac's.

Edit: moved to this thread, didn't mean to have it in the not a bust thread
 
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inconceivable said:
It wasn't the triple double i expected from scoot. In fact, far from it. But despite fouling out, he did show glimpses of what he can do. He also had many passes that would have been assists but were missed.

I like the improvement I see from Shaedon as well. He didn't score as much but the willingness to share the ball and defense and rebounds are great to see.

I was high on Murray but Chauncey made the right call in Walker and Camara as backup forwards.

I missed pregame chatter. Is Timelord injured? He was not in the game and no mention of him in thr broadcast

Ayton dominated.

Grant and Brogdon played superb.

Overall, great win.
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Williams just has a bad knee and it has to be managed. So they'll likely always sit him on one of the games in back to backs and he'll likely never consistently get starters minutes.
 
illmatic99 said:
yrs from now, we will be looking back on that phoenix trade wondering WTF where they thinking.
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Don’t need to wait years, I’ve been wondering it since day one. Clearly they saw something in Nurk that I never did.
 
Just finished watching this nice win this morning. Shaedon's jumper is a weapon an offense can feature as a main focus. It's quick and smooth off the dribble & catch and shoot. Not only can he jump like he's on the moon but unfortunately he dribbles like it too. Loved Scoot attacking, looks like he's settling in.

Man Scottie Barnes is impressive, but the Raptors really lack a lead guard for their attack. Their need there is glaring

STOMP
 
STOMP said:
Just finished watching this nice win this morning. Shaedon's jumper is a weapon an offense can feature as a main focus. It's quick and smooth off the dribble & catch and shoot. Not only can he jump like he's on the moon but unfortunately he dribbles like it too. Loved Scoot attacking, looks like he's settling in.

Man Scottie Barnes is impressive, but the Raptors really lack a lead guard for their attack. Their need there is glaring

STOMP
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Well I’ll happily swap them Brogdon for OG. ;)
 
STOMP said:
Just finished watching this nice win this morning. Shaedon's jumper is a weapon an offense can feature as a main focus. It's quick and smooth off the dribble & catch and shoot. Not only can he jump like he's on the moon but unfortunately he dribbles like it too. Loved Scoot attacking, looks like he's settling in.

Man Scottie Barnes is impressive, but the Raptors really lack a lead guard for their attack. Their need there is glaring

STOMP
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Shooting and ball-handling/veteran back-up point guard has been the issue for several seasons running. Not only has the FO not addressed it, they have traded 2/3 first round picks for Thad Young (DNP) and Poeltl who so far hasn't been able to stay on the court to close-out games. So they've used assets on other bullshit.
andalusian said:
I really don't understand why Toronto kept og and Pascal next to Scottie Barnes, he is the future of the raptors
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Being able to have those three on the court together makes Toronto one of the best defensive teams (3rd in DRTG currently). Barnes' shooting has improved but OG and Siakam are cold to start the season. Toronto is 30th in ORTG and currently the only team in the league not averaging 100ppg.

Dick is a good add but you can't expect him to contribute too much. Schröder is .500 from three but .385 from the field. Trent is shooting .326 from the field. Jalen McDaniels, who shot 40% from three last season, is currently 0/8 shooting this year. Otto Porter hasn't played, neither has Garrett Temple.

It's too early to abandon ship but the issues Toronto are having are basically expected. We have possibly the worst guard rotation in the NBA.
 
speeds said:
Shooting and ball-handling/veteran back-up point guard has been the issue for several seasons running. Not only has the FO not addressed it, they have traded 2/3 first round picks for Thad Young (DNP) and Poeltl who so far hasn't been able to stay on the court to close-out games. So they've used assets on other bullshit.

Being able to have those three on the court together makes Toronto one of the best defensive teams (3rd in DRTG currently). Barnes' shooting has improved but OG and Siakam are cold to start the season. Toronto is 30th in ORTG and currently the only team in the league not averaging 100ppg.
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I understand that and I do not dispute it, but I think the issue is that with the new CBA - paying 3 max/near max salaries for the forwards is just not a reasonable plan, especially since the Raptors do not seem like they really want to be anywhere close to the 2nd apron. I think the guard issue mentioned is basically a roster balance issue. You basically want at least 2 of your max salaries to be on different areas of the court. The Nuggets 3 big salaries are guard (JM), Center (Duh) and forward (MPJ/Gordon). Scottie Barnes is a max player in the making. OG wants a big salary and Pascal is already a max player. That's just bad planning on the Raptors FO in my opinion.

That is my issue with what the Raptors are doing.
 
I wonder if the Blazers are intentionally showcasing Brogdon. He's averaging 22.5 FGA per 36, that's 2 more than Damian Lillard every averaged for us.

Small sample size yeah, but it's quite telling.
 
beast crnjo said:
I wonder if the Blazers are intentionally showcasing Brogdon. He's averaging 22.5 FGA per 36, that's 2 more than Damian Lillard every averaged for us.

Small sample size yeah, but it's quite telling.
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With Simons out , Brogdon has the green light. This could be very helpful for his trade value.

After only 3-4 games into the season, there are just 3 undefeated teams, and many disappointments such as the Heat, Raptors, Rockets, Grizzlies, Jazz, etc., just as expected.

Brogdon should be an attractive part of the puzzle for many of these teams.

He did win 6th man of the year just last season. In other words, he won't mess up your starting unit, but will contribute right away.
 
THE HCP said:
Crazy thing, I don't even know who that is. Sigh, I miss the playoffs.
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For someone that talks about how much NBA they watch, you sure never seem to know anyone outside the stars.
 
andalusian said:
I understand that and I do not dispute it, but I think the issue is that with the new CBA - paying 3 max/near max salaries for the forwards is just not a reasonable plan, especially since the Raptors do not seem like they really want to be anywhere close to the 2nd apron. I think the guard issue mentioned is basically a roster balance issue. You basically want at least 2 of your max salaries to be on different areas of the court. The Nuggets 3 big salaries are guard (JM), Center (Duh) and forward (MPJ/Gordon). Scottie Barnes is a max player in the making. OG wants a big salary and Pascal is already a max player. That's just bad planning on the Raptors FO in my opinion.

That is my issue with what the Raptors are doing.
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It seems the Raptors strategy is to hold assets to make another big trade. That strategy hasn't panned out. You're right this is the last year such a thing can get done before giant extensions kick-in, and now with both of those guys on expiring deals it's probably harder. Toronto fans can only speculate on why the FO has doubled-down repeatedly on this lopsided roster.
 
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