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andalusian said:
Part of it, for sure. It was easier to tank without him. That meant more ping-pong balls. It's really not that hard to do. You can't play the "You should have known he would opt in" game if you are not willing to acknowledge what happened because he was traded as well. They took a calculated risk, and they scored. Good for Portland.
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To equate us getting Scoot by making an unequivocally bad trade while potentislly alienating Dame for good, and framing this as intelligent....is just something I can't get around.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
He shot lights out in PDX the year prior. Yeah he had a three months bad shooting streak to start the season, even Dame has had those. He brought defense and rebounding unlike any other player or even starter on the Blazers roster.
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He played 13 games after the trade. That's an extremely small sample size. He returned to the mean the next season.
 
illmatic99 said:
To equate us getting Scoot by making an unequivocally bad trade while potentislly alienating Dame for good, and framing this as intelligent....is just something I can't get around.
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Only real assets we got in 2 years of Joe taking over are the two players we tanked two seasons for, and Dame. Nice.
 
illmatic99 said:
To equate us getting Scoot by making an unequivocally bad trade while potentislly alienating Dame for good, and framing this as intelligent....is just something I can't get around.
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No it is not. It was a calculated risk and one they believed they did the right thing. Hart did not want to be here (wanted east coast), it was believed that he would cost more to retain. Whooptido, only one of these assumptions came through, we still don't know that Hart would have opted in - in Portland, for that amount. You make assumptions as if it was obvious and it was not. Portland made a choice and it looks like long term, it was the right one. They created more opportunities to be lucky. That's all you can do. Sometimes it works, sometimes it does not. It worked for Portland and that's great.
 
andalusian said:
Our genius GM has done exactly what he needed to. He upgraded the talent for this team in a very short time. It's a shame that it is not likely to get Dame an opportunity to lose again in the 2nd round, but that's the game of chance.

Loved Hart as a role player, would have been great if the rest of the team was good enough to be a contending team. It was not so the right decision was made. Ship him to NYK, tank, get a chance on another all-world talent + nice role player in #23.

If the alternatives are see Dame going super-nova to tap out at the 2nd round or suck for a couple of years at a chance of building something special, you would have to be a special kind of genius to choose option 1.
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I have no problem with trading Hart if we rebuild. But then why two days ago are we still releasing statements of primarily building a winning team here with Dame?

If we are rebuilding why trade the Duren assets for Grant? None of the moves make sense sense together. It's like we literally had 5 different GM's and they take turns running the team.
 
illmatic99 said:
To equate us getting Scoot by making an unequivocally bad trade while potentislly alienating Dame for good, and framing this as intelligent....is just something I can't get around.
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It's not a bad trade if we never thought that we could realistically build a contender around Dame.

Hart is going to be a highly paid role player. That's fine if you're a good team, but we are not a good team.

We got #23 and we got Thybulle out of the deal. Thybulle is a better defender than Josh.
 
theprunetang said:
The Hart trade was not unequivocally bad. Get off your high horse.
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I believe it is best for him to take a mental break from the forum and the team. It is getting to him too much this year. He sounds broken and I feel bad that he let the team get him in this place.
 
Natebishop3 said:
It's not a bad trade if we never thought that we could realistically build a contender around Dame.

Hart is going to be a highly paid role player. That's fine if you're a good team, but we are not a good team.

We got #23 and we got Thybulle out of the deal. Thybulle is a better defender than Josh.
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Thybulle was part of the GP2 trade. And I dont think will get paid as much as people presume in this new landscape.
 
maxiep said:
It just happened with Porzingis in WAS.
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yes and no. Yes, sign-and-trades happen all the time. But no, I never heard KP announce that he's opting in, but asking for a trade. There was not an announcement in the KP transaction. The announcement from Harden was what I found to be weird.
 
KeepOnRollin said:
We need size. Mo Bamba getting waived moves him to the top of my list of realistic targets.
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We just gave both Badji and Butler QO's. Not sure what the plan is there. Looking to go young?
 
SharpesTriumph said:
I have no problem with trading Hart if we rebuild. But then why two days ago are we still releasing statements of primarily building a winning team here with Dame?

If we are rebuilding why trade the Duren assets for Grant? None of the moves make sense sense together. It's like we literally had 5 different GM's and they take turns running the team.
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What do you mean?? We're threading the needle! Wait, where did the needle go? I think we lost it....
 
illmatic99 said:
Thybulle was part of the GP2 trade. And I dont think will get paid as much as people presume in this new landscape.
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https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hartjo01.html

ebruary 9, 2023: As part of a 4-team trade, traded by the Portland Trail Blazers with Dani Diez and Bojan Dubljevic to the New York Knicks; the Charlotte Hornets traded Jalen McDaniels and a 2024 2nd round draft pick ( was later selected) to the Philadelphia 76ers; the New York Knicks traded Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk to the Charlotte Hornets; the New York Knicks traded Ryan Arcidiacono, Cam Reddish, Ante Tomic and a 2023 1st round draft pick (Kris Murray was later selected) to the Portland Trail Blazers; the Philadelphia 76ers traded a 2023 2nd round draft pick (Colby Jones was later selected) to the Charlotte Hornets; the Philadelphia 76ers traded Matisse Thybulle to the Portland Trail Blazers; the Portland Trail Blazers traded a 2027 2nd round draft pick ( was later selected) to the Charlotte Hornets; and the Portland Trail Blazers traded a 2029 2nd round draft pick ( was later selected) to the Philadelphia 76ers. Charlotte also received a trade exception More favorable 2023 2nd-rd pick ended up as CHO own 2027 2nd-rd pick is more favorable Philadelphia also received a trade exception 2024 2nd-rd pick is NYK own 2029 2nd-rd pick is POR own Portland also received a trade exception 2023 protected 1st-rd pick is NYK own
 
illmatic99 said:
To equate us getting Scoot by making an unequivocally bad trade while potentislly alienating Dame for good, and framing this as intelligent....is just something I can't get around.
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Or, they don't do it, they don't get pick #23, Hart does not opt in for $13m in Portland and the Blazers select pick #9 at the draft or try to trade him for some underwhelming veteran help that does not pan out and Dame gets frustrated and asks out.

We can both play the what-if. Moving Hart was the right thing to do. The Blazers got lucky, but they would not have if they did not create the opportunity to get lucky. That's what GMs with bad assets have to do.
 
KeepOnRollin said:
I believe it is best for him to take a mental break from the forum and the team. It is getting to him too much this year. He sounds broken and I feel bad that he let the team get him in this place.
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Let it go. You don't decide if some else takes a break from the forum. Let him do him and you do you.
 
Chris Craig said:
We just gave both Badji and Butler QO's. Not sure what the plan is there. Looking to go young?
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They are both still eligible for two-way contracts, correct? I don't think them getting the QO affects Portland's free agency plans.
 
andalusian said:
Or, they don't do it, they don't get pick #23, Hart does not opt in for $13m in Portland and the Blazers select pick #9 at the draft or try to trade him for some underwhelming veteran help that does not pan out and Dame gets frustrated and asks out.

We can both play the what-if. Moving Hart was the right thing to do. The Blazers got lucky, but they would not have if they did not create the opportunity to get lucky. That's what GMs with bad assets have to do.
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I think it's clear we disagree on this. I don't consider Josh Hart to be a "bad asset."

Let's move on.
 
illmatic99 said:
I think it's clear we disagree on this. I don't consider Josh Hart to be a "bad asset."

Let's move on.
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I don't think he's a bad asset at all. I consider him to be a luxury that we can't afford right now (because I don't think Dame is staying.)
 
Natebishop3 said:
I don't think he's a bad asset at all. I consider him to be a luxury that we can't afford right now (because I don't think Dame is staying.)
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Hart is a player that someone like PHX would die to have as the 6th man but even if Dame does stay, it is hard to justify his rumored, soon to be, contract (4 x 20) in this new CBA marketplace. Man things are messed up.
 
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