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Natebishop3 said:
Simons and Grant will 100% reap the benefits of Scoots style of play.

I think Shae will also.
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I certainly think there are areas where teammates will see a benefit playing next to Scoot. I also think we'll see defenses being able to sag and collapse more this year without Dame on the floor, which will hurt.

There is a good chance a decent percentage of the Dame isolation situations will now be given to Grant, who is a less effective play-maker for himself and others, than Dame.
 
tlongII said:
You have to have the ball to score and get assists. I think we're going to get killed on the boards unfortunately.
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Who is our Buck Williams on this team?

Forward Buck Williams played 17 seasons for 3 teams. His career averages were 12.8 points, 10.0 rebounds, and 1.3 assists in 1,307 regular season games.
 
maxiep said:
Again, you shouldn't opine on things about which you don't understand.
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Ok, the "muscles" part was incorrect, but the concept clearly is. The more time you spend pounding on your knees early in your career, the more that will come back to haunt you later in your career. Nobody has endless cartilage, not to mention all the other stress points from landing from elevation.
 
Bingo Bango said:
“Simon’s”?

Since when did his name have an apostrophe?
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It's definitely not just an autocorrect snafu. I believe there is a deeper meaning to that apostrophe. It's a possessive apostrophe. The idea is the without Dame, this is now Simon's team. So all the other players on the team are Simon's players. Grant isn't just H
Grant anymore. He's Simon's Grant.
 
BassPlaya said:
Who is our Buck Williams on this team?

Forward Buck Williams played 17 seasons for 3 teams. His career averages were 12.8 points, 10.0 rebounds, and 1.3 assists in 1,307 regular season games.
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Yep, we desperately need a tough rebounder. Things have changed since Buck (increased number of 3 pt shots per game resulting in more long rebounds) but nonetheless, we need to find someone. One reason why I was suggesting Capela in another thread. Top rebounder that has been rumored to be available.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/player-stat/rebounds

We do need players like Sharpe, Little, and even Scoot to step up this year on the boards. Much like Hart did last year.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Yep, we desperately need a tough rebounder. Things have changed since Buck (increased number of 3 pt shots per game resulting in more long rebounds) but nonetheless, we need to find someone. One reason why I was suggesting Capela in another thread. Top rebounder that has been rumored to be available.
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Yes, the game has changed. However, the attitude of players like Buck, and Barkley....The Round Mound of Rebound...is rarely seen in todays game. It's want, pure and simple.
 
ebott said:
It's definitely not just an autocorrect snafu. I believe there is a deeper meaning to that apostrophe. It's a possessive apostrophe. The idea is the without Dame, this is now Simon's team. So all the other players on the team are Simon's players. Grant isn't just H
Grant anymore. He's Simon's Grant.
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If that’s the case, it should be Simons’. His name isn’t Anfernee Simon.
 
BassPlaya said:
Who is our Buck Williams on this team?

Forward Buck Williams played 17 seasons for 3 teams. His career averages were 12.8 points, 10.0 rebounds, and 1.3 assists in 1,307 regular season games.
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I was just suggesting the other day that that could be Walker's role. I mean, his pop's per-100-possession rebounding rates were almost identical to Buck's.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I was just suggesting the other day that that could be Walker's role. I mean, his pop's per-100-possession rebounding rates were almost identical to Buck's.
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That is my dream for this season. Walker becomes that big strong guy under the basket, that continues to hop late in games, when the legs can feel like jelly.
 
Reep said:
Ok, the "muscles" part was incorrect, but the concept clearly is. The more time you spend pounding on your knees early in your career, the more that will come back to haunt you later in your career. Nobody has endless cartilage, not to mention all the other stress points from landing from elevation.
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Try again. You can run miles every single day for decades and as long as you don't end up getting sideswiped or otherwise landing strangely, you may at worst end up with perhaps some cartilage damage decades down the road (I tore my lateral meniscus years ago and had it removed). You can throw a single pitch and tear your UCL even with proper preparation. A normal pitcher puts more strain on their rotator cuff in one inning than a basketball player puts on their body in a season.

I would simply ask before trying to equate a repetitive motion sport with a non-repetitive motion sport one bother to educate themselves even to a minimum level.
 
Here are some more sources

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27125793/these-kids-ticking-bombs-threat-youth-basketball

"Through dozens of interviews over the past two years with NBA team and league officials, current and former players, AAU coaches, parents, youth players, researchers, medical and athletic training officials in and around the NBA, as well as those intimately involved with youth basketball, one possible answer repeatedly emerged: Players, they say, are physically broken down by the time they reach the NBA.

"It is grave," says one NBA general manager, who says his team's injury databases on players entering the draft, dating back decades, leave "no question" that there are more orthopedic issues among young players in recent years. "It's very sad, where a kid has an NBA body, he's got NBA talent, he's got even an NBA mentality, but he doesn't have a body that can withstand the rigors of the training and the actual games, whether it's to get to the NBA or just to hold up. It's a tough deal."

Silver, in an interview with ESPN, calls the issue "the highest priority for the league -- and I think both in terms of the health and wellness of the players in the NBA, but also the larger category of millions of players, boys and girls, not just in the United States, but globally."

"It's an epidemic," says Leo Papile, who founded and has coached the Boston Amateur Basketball Club on Nike's Elite Youth Basketball League circuit -- arguably the most prestigious grassroots circuit -- for four decades.

"I have many kids who are going to go play in college next year," says Dr. Neeru Jayanthi, the Director of Sports Medicine Research and Education at Emory Healthcare in the Atlanta area and one of the leading researchers on youth sports, "and this whole year has just been about trying to get healthy so they can step on that doorstep as a freshman and actually have a chance to participate."

Says Jayanthi: "Kids are broken by the time they get to college."
 
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/13217004/the-four-injury-risks-today-young-nba-players-face

"Too much early mileage
Smart began playing AAU basketball in third grade, and through the years he might play four AAU games per day and as many as five per day at national tournaments. And that was on top of in-season competition at school.

This was the norm for Smart and other NBA rookies, and it creates perhaps the biggest red flag that trainers and others see in young players today: a considerable amount of mileage that can lead to more injuries at an earlier age.

"The AAU is the biggest thing people around the league pinpoint as to why all these injuries are occurring," Stotts said.

It's simply a matter of wear and tear.

"I think you only have so many jumps and landings in your body before it begins to break down, and you can go down through every body part and say the same thing -- each one has a separate number," DiFrancesco said. "There's no way to go back and get those miles back, but there's ways to manage their overall workload."

Obstacles exist, DiFrancesco said, such as the age-old notion that rookies must be "broken in" once they reach the NBA.

"When I first got into the league, I got this sense that, once you get your hands on a rookie, you can just push him and push him until they drop -- literally sometimes," he said. "By design, there's many people that believe that's how you have to show them the ropes, the hard way, and just grind them to see if they're mentally tough enough to withstand what it means to be an NBA player."
 
maxiep said:
You can run miles every single day for decades and as long as you don't end up getting sideswiped or otherwise landing strangely, you may at worst end up with perhaps some cartilage damage decades down the road (I tore my lateral meniscus years ago and had it removed).
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Are you still able to run (pain free)? Dealing with long lingering meniscus injury.
 
https://www.si.com/edge/2014/12/18/why-so-many-injuries-be-surprised-there-arent-more

"Here’s my theory, and I’m pretty sure I’m correct: Players aren't sustaining these injuries because of the games they’re playing; they’re getting injured because of the number of practices and games they’ve already played. Hundreds of games, thousands of hours, since they were old enough to pick up a ball. Peewee. Youth leagues. Summer camps. Travel teams. AAU. High school. College. A relentless schedule of games, practice, travel, and training, sometimes for multiple teams and leagues, with multiple trainers and programs. No time for rest or recovery. No time to play or train for other sports. End result: The same muscles, ligaments, tendons, and joints are used over and over again, in the same direction, the same angles, the same motions. What piece of machinery doesn’t eventually give out from repeated use over many years? At some point, the human body just says, “Enough.”

This one is from Tim Grover..... Michael Jordan's personal trainer.
 
Natebishop3 said:
That's from the article. Why are you being so condescending?
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I'm not being condescending, I'm being dismissive. Either you or the source of that article has no idea what they're comparing. For further research, I would invite you to read anything regarding the biomechanics of pitching. A good primer is Jeff Passan's "The Arm". Kyle Boddy of Driveline Baseball just came out with a book entitled "Hacking The Kenetic Chain". Any cursory research will tell you that comparing the stresses put on an arm by throwing a baseball simply do not compare to any activity in basketball.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Here are some more sources

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27125793/these-kids-ticking-bombs-threat-youth-basketball

"Through dozens of interviews over the past two years with NBA team and league officials, current and former players, AAU coaches, parents, youth players, researchers, medical and athletic training officials in and around the NBA, as well as those intimately involved with youth basketball, one possible answer repeatedly emerged: Players, they say, are physically broken down by the time they reach the NBA.

"It is grave," says one NBA general manager, who says his team's injury databases on players entering the draft, dating back decades, leave "no question" that there are more orthopedic issues among young players in recent years. "It's very sad, where a kid has an NBA body, he's got NBA talent, he's got even an NBA mentality, but he doesn't have a body that can withstand the rigors of the training and the actual games, whether it's to get to the NBA or just to hold up. It's a tough deal."

Silver, in an interview with ESPN, calls the issue "the highest priority for the league -- and I think both in terms of the health and wellness of the players in the NBA, but also the larger category of millions of players, boys and girls, not just in the United States, but globally."

"It's an epidemic," says Leo Papile, who founded and has coached the Boston Amateur Basketball Club on Nike's Elite Youth Basketball League circuit -- arguably the most prestigious grassroots circuit -- for four decades.

"I have many kids who are going to go play in college next year," says Dr. Neeru Jayanthi, the Director of Sports Medicine Research and Education at Emory Healthcare in the Atlanta area and one of the leading researchers on youth sports, "and this whole year has just been about trying to get healthy so they can step on that doorstep as a freshman and actually have a chance to participate."

Says Jayanthi: "Kids are broken by the time they get to college."
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Okay. What's your point? That's everyday wear and tear. When you bring up baseball, you're talking about the difference between throwing 90 mph and throwing 40 mph. Players can still play basketball, it just hurts more.

And getting back to your original point, what proof is there that VW is worn down? The Euro schedule provides much more rest and downtime than ours does. In fact, one could make the argument that Scoot is more susceptible to injury than Victor because of the wear and tear of the American system.
 
maxiep said:
I'm not being condescending, I'm being dismissive. Either you or the source of that article has no idea what they're comparing. For further research, I would invite you to read anything regarding the biomechanics of pitching. A good primer is Jeff Passan's "The Arm". Kyle Boddy of Driveline Baseball just came out with a book entitled "Hacking The Kenetic Chain". Any cursory research will tell you that comparing the stresses put on an arm by throwing a baseball simply do not compare to any activity in basketball.
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Max... I don't know shit about playing baseball. It was an example that an article talking about youth sports was using. Why are you focused so much on that one example?
 
HailBlazers said:
Are you still able to run (pain free)? Dealing with long lingering meniscus injury.
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Absolutely not! I have undergone four knee surgeries (3 on one knee, 1 on the other), and by far the worst was losing my lateral mensicus. My ACL and MCL repairs went swimmingly. The mensicus was a quick recovery, but destroyed the ability of my knee to take impact in the long term.

Frankly, I'm holding out for a knee replacement that will last me the rest of my life. I don't want another one when I'm 80.
 
maxiep said:
Okay. What's your point? That's everyday wear and tear. When you bring up baseball, you're talking about the difference between throwing 90 mph and throwing 40 mph. Players can still play basketball, it just hurts more.

And getting back to your original point, what proof is there that VW is worn down? The Euro schedule provides much more rest and downtime than ours does. In fact, one could make the argument that Scoot is more susceptible to injury than Victor because of the wear and tear of the American system.
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You might be right. I'm just saying that overall, young players are suffering more injuries earlier in their careers because of the way that youth sports have evolved in the past 30 years. Maybe Europe is massively different.... but probably not.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Max... I don't know shit about playing baseball. It was an example that an article talking about youth sports was using. Why are you focused so much on that one example?
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Because I happen to know a little about baseball. And I'm telling you it's not analogous to anything basketball related. Repetitive motion sports are different.
 
Natebishop3 said:
You might be right. I'm just saying that overall, young players are suffering more injuries earlier in their careers because of the way that youth sports have evolved in the past 30 years. Maybe Europe is massively different.... but probably not.
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They play one game a week. They practice less. They play fewer minutes. Players are treated more gently. Ask any Euro who comes to the US and they'll tell you the same.
 
blazerfan11 said:
If the roster stays the same, he's got some good shooters, and some good finishers.
You don't have to be a good shooter to finish a lob or a layup.
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A good shooter shoots jump shots.

Someone who finishes a lob or layoff is a different skill - their called a finisher.
 
maxiep said:
They play one game a week. They practice less. They play fewer minutes. Players are treated more gently. Ask any Euro who comes to the US and they'll tell you the same.
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Arvydas Sabonis might argue this point...
 
maxiep said:
Absolutely not! I have undergone four knee surgeries (3 on one knee, 1 on the other), and by far the worst was losing my lateral mensicus. My ACL and MCL repairs went swimmingly. The mensicus was a quick recovery, but destroyed the ability of my knee to take impact in the long term.

Frankly, I'm holding out for a knee replacement that will last me the rest of my life. I don't want another one when I'm 80.
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I had my knee replaced at the end of October. I'm 65 so you must be younger than me. It is an extremely painful recover and it takes 6 months before you feel "normal", but I am glad I did it. I couldn't walk the golf course before.
 
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