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Natebishop3 said:
Are you saying build a team that can win a ring in the next 3-5 years?

Or starting from scratch?

If I only have 3-5 years to win a ring, I'm going with Steph, Dame or Luka.

If I'm starting a rebuild from scratch? Luka, Shae, Haliburton.... I'd put Scoot in that list.

I'm honestly not impressed at all with Ja, Kyrie, or Trae Young. Don't even really want them on my team.

The rest of these guys.... they're ok. I don't think they're the kind of guy you build around. I'm not even sure if Scoot is the kind of guy you build around. I think he can be a key component on a championship team. I think he could be the leader on a championship team. But I'm really hoping that Shae ends up being our best player.

Fox, Jrue, Murray, Lamelo.... they're good players. They can probably be the second or third best players on a championship team. I just don't think they can be alphas.
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I think I’d do the same.

I think Scoot will provide a LOT of value particularly for his salary.

I know it’s a completely different league and salary cap situation, but it’s almost like having a rookie contract QB on a NFL contender.

I would even possibly put him on the first list for a team wanting to win a championship in 3-5 years, assuming you could use your salary savings on him to get massive upgrades elsewhere.
 
I really think the kinda guy we need to build around Scoot is an athletic rim rolling big. Kinda like Tyson Chandler or even young Amare.

John Collins woulda fit that mold.

The guy I have my eye on now is Nic Claxton. He needs to be target #1 in any Dame trade.
 
blazerfan11 said:
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If you want to speed it up, you literally can with YouTube. Turn up the volume and set the speed to 1.5.
Sam pointed out that in summer league that Scoot played against some very quick and agile defenders, as quick and agile as he will see in the regular season.
And they were not able to stop him.
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Ehh that's a stretch. NBA team defense (some of them anyway) can scout and take away options. Houston might have the indvidual athletes but their team defense had 0 strategy or preparation.
 
Predator said:
I think I’d do the same.

I think Scoot will provide a LOT of value particularly for his salary.

I know it’s a completely different league and salary cap situation, but it’s almost like having a rookie contract QB on a NFL contender.

I would even possibly put him on the first list for a team wanting to win a championship in 3-5 years, assuming you could use your salary savings on him to get massive upgrades elsewhere.
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I think I'm more excited about Scoot as a leader/play maker. He needs to be dangerous as a scorer, but I'm really over having our best scorer be a point guard. I want Sharpe to be our best player, but I want Scoot to be the motor. I want him to be the heart of the team. I'm really hoping that Billups can help him own that role, because that's what he was for the Pistons. That's EXACTLY what he was. I'd love to see Scoot become a less-douchey Chris Paul who can yam it on people.
 
illmatic99 said:
I really think the kinda guy we need to build around Scoot is an athletic rim rolling big. Kinda like Tyson Chandler or even young Amare.

John Collins woulda fit that mold.

The guy I have my eye on now is Nic Claxton. He needs to be target #1 in any Dame trade.
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The Highkin podcast from yesterday with Erik Gunderson really goes into that. We need a center badly.

Jarrett.

Allen.
 
illmatic99 said:
I really think the kinda guy we need to build around Scoot is an athletic rim rolling big. Kinda like Tyson Chandler or even young Amare.

John Collins woulda fit that mold.

The guy I have my eye on now is Nic Claxton. He needs to be target #1 in any Dame trade.
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Young Amare and Scoot would be unstoppable.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Ok so you're going to rule out 2/3 of your list immediately.

Steph (too old)
Dame (too old)
Kyrie (cancer)
Trae (tiny score first point guard who doesn't play defense)
De’aron (good player but not someone I'd build around)
Jamal (good #2 on a title team)
Jrue (role player)

Not gonna build around those dudes. The Hawks have been building around Trae for years. He's not the dude.

Luka
Shae
Ja
Haliburton
Jalen
Lamelo
Maxie

So Luka would still be my first choice. He's still young, he's insanely good, and he's the kind of dude you build around. SGA is also really good. We'll see if he's the dude you build around, depending on how OKC looks in the next couple years. I would not build around Ja. He's a cancer. I wouldn't build around LaMelo. I don't think he's good enough. Maxie really strikes me as another short combo guard. Isn't Jalen Green a shooting guard?

Here's my list (ranked)

Luka
SGA
Haliburton
Scoot
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Brunson not Green
Part of the reason I said 5 years is because someone would think they’d be able to build a contender in 3 years or so around Steph or Dame starting from the bottom I’m sure and give them a 2 year window
 
Natebishop3 said:
I think I'm more excited about Scoot as a leader/play maker. He needs to be dangerous as a scorer, but I'm really over having our best scorer be a point guard. I want Sharpe to be our best player, but I want Scoot to be the motor. I want him to be the heart of the team. I'm really hoping that Billups can help him own that role, because that's what he was for the Pistons. That's EXACTLY what he was. I'd love to see Scoot become a less-douchey Chris Paul who can yam it on people.
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Andre Miller with bionic legs dunking on defenders and running the court like John Wall.

edit: look at the summer league. Amen Thompson can't slow Scoot down. There were 3 Rockets collapsed on Scoot under the hoop. If he can pass out of that (which he can) it's 4 offensive players against 2 defenders.
 
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Natebishop3 said:
Ok so you're going to rule out 2/3 of your list immediately.

Steph (too old)
Dame (too old)
Kyrie (cancer)
Trae (tiny score first point guard who doesn't play defense)
De’aron (good player but not someone I'd build around)
Jamal (good #2 on a title team)
Jrue (role player)

Not gonna build around those dudes. The Hawks have been building around Trae for years. He's not the dude.

Luka
Shae
Ja
Haliburton
Jalen
Lamelo
Maxie

So Luka would still be my first choice. He's still young, he's insanely good, and he's the kind of dude you build around. SGA is also really good. We'll see if he's the dude you build around, depending on how OKC looks in the next couple years. I would not build around Ja. He's a cancer. I wouldn't build around LaMelo. I don't think he's good enough. Maxie really strikes me as another short combo guard. Isn't Jalen Green a shooting guard?

Here's my list (ranked)

Luka
SGA
Haliburton
Scoot
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Jrue, a role player? He’s an All Star and an elite All NBA defender. When it comes to winning a title, Jrue is probably better than Dame.
 
Predator said:
Brunson not Green
Part of the reason I said 5 years is because someone would think they’d be able to build a contender in 3 years or so around Steph or Dame starting from the bottom I’m sure and give them a 2 year window
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Ah okay. You confused me with the double Tyrese's as well :lol:

I like Brunson. He's 26 though. I'm not sure if I'd build around him. That's a little on the older side. I'd put him on the same tier as Fox and Murray. They're really good players but I think I'd want them as a #2 option on a title team.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I think I'm more excited about Scoot as a leader/play maker. He needs to be dangerous as a scorer, but I'm really over having our best scorer be a point guard. I want Sharpe to be our best player, but I want Scoot to be the motor. I want him to be the heart of the team. I'm really hoping that Billups can help him own that role, because that's what he was for the Pistons. That's EXACTLY what he was. I'd love to see Scoot become a less-douchey Chris Paul who can yam it on people.
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Lol

I think part of what makes CP3… CP3 is the douchey-ness.
 
Predator said:
Lol

I think part of what makes CP3… CP3 is the douchey-ness.
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Yeah..... I'd just like to see Scoot continue to display the kind of crafty and heady play that Paul has. I'd love to see him be as good a defender as CP3.
 
Predator said:
Amare Scoot and Sharpe would’ve been fun

I don’t know any big in the league actually plays like Amare now though.

Who comps like Amare?
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Nobody is as good but these guys have similar stregths:

John Collins.
Aaron Gordon.
Banchero.
Bam.
Ayton is surprisingly efficient in finishing P&Rs.
Sabonis.
Okongwu?
Zion?
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Good, We are going to talk about knees. I didn't start playing soccer until I was 25 so maybe that helped, but I played into my early 50's before I quit just because I was worried about the long term damage to my knees and spine. 15 years ago my one knee got so bad I could not walk. Arthritis in one knee was rated "4" which is the worst rating and "3" in the other knee. I was given a hyaluronic acid injection which got me on my feet again but doesn't have a lasting effect. But somehow I leveled out. I take a joint compound that has your usual chondroitin and glucosamine and MSM, I also do isometric exercises that work the knees sideways. Also take turmeric. Walk regularly. I'm now 78 and just in the last year have begun jogging short distances, which was somewhat painful at first but now isn't at all. One reason I haven't thought about knee surgery is that two guys I know got blood clots during the surgery and one of them ended up dying.
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I bought this last year - it's a Teeter Freestep, recumbent cross trainer.
Easy on the knees and provides similar health benefits as walking. It's great on rainy
days when you don't want to go outside.

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illmatic99 said:
Nobody is as good but these guys have similar stregths:

John Collins.
Aaron Gordon.
Banchero.
Bam.
Ayton is surprisingly efficient in finishing P&Rs.
Sabonis.
Okongwu?
Zion?
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I've never been a big John Collins fan. He doesn't rebound.
 
tlongII said:
I've never been a big John Collins fan. He doesn't rebound.
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What?
He's a good rebounder for a PF.

Here is a comparison of several PF using career DRB% to equalize things:

Tobias Harris: 18.1%
Porzingis: 21.5%
Siakam: 18.5%
Ben Simmons: 19.5%
Randle: 25.5%
Giannis: 25.4%
Jaren Jackson JR: 16.2%
Durant: 18.7%
LeBron: 18.8%
Markkanen: 21.0%
Arron Gordon: 17.6%
Jerami Grant: 13.0%
John Collins: 21.6%

So a couple of things to notice.
1) Randle and Giannis are the best out this list, by a good margin.
2) John Collins is better or on par with all the other PF in this list. He's a good rebounder...
3) One player stands out like a sore thumb here. Unfortunately that player is currently on the Blazers.
 
An evolution of NBA culture that I’ve loved is the fact that the old crop of NBA stars are so willing to help the new generation. I saw a video of PG telling Miller on his podcast that Miller has full access to him and PG is excited to be apart of Miller’s growth.

Scoot is already working out with Curry before he even had his first game. It really is amazing.

Scoot has all the athleticism to be a DRose/Westbrook kind of player, but it benefits him to play like Curry/Dame to prolong his longevity. Curry has had Finals series where he’s averaged close to 10rpg. With Scoot, it’s all going to come down to mentality.
 
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