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I'm not in favor of a wall, I'm in favor of improving border security and for two long a number of administrations have also agreed, but politics always prevents anything from happening, it seems.
If there is no compromise on both sides, then nothing gets done.
If Im Trump, do away with the wall and address chain migration, better over immigration policy with bi partisan support. And agree to the daca deal for the 1.8 million.
Just a thought...

Trump has no leverage as he lost it when he continues to pull an about face when he makes an agreement and the Senate already passed a bill that would likely be passed by the House and even possibly pass a veto over turn. Dems have twice had an agreement with Trump and he back stabs them. Why should they now conceded anything to him?
 
I'm not in favor of a wall, I'm in favor of improving border security and for two long a number of administrations have also agreed, but politics always prevents anything from happening, it seems.
If there is no compromise on both sides, then nothing gets done.
If Im Trump, do away with the wall and address chain migration, better over immigration policy with bi partisan support. And agree to the daca deal for the 1.8 million.
Just a thought...
compromise is the key to anything this big and important. for some chain migration, others the visa process, still others the "Barrier"( when we take out the contentious WALL from the conversation,and rename, perhaps it can be included in some areas of border security). i suspect that a national database for employee verification needs to be included, as well as better tracking of those in the visa programs. state voter id laws will likely be a focus of conservatives to be included in the process. i think that anyone here illegally needs to go to the back of the line unless a compromise such as lanny suggested for those that can prove that they have been here for 10 years, stayed out of trouble and stayed off welfare could be an acceptable compromise though their status as un documented will make any verification process difficult. if they have had a green card for those ten years maybe. i just don't know. MarAzul reminds us that the last "amnesty" for illegals under reagan, reform went no where, so they will likely be way down the list for citizenship as a result. before our current president, fencing and barriers were a component of the conversation, will need to be again.
expecting mexico to pay for anything is silly in my opinion, expecting the american taxpayer to foot the bill for a 30' tall concrete barrier of limited utility ranks nearly as high with me. it is interesting that some conservative think tanks of a decade ago advocated for "open borders" in the hopes of weakening unions and depressing wages for business. funny how the positions change.
 
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https://www.congress.gov/bill/109th-congress/senate-bill/1033
mccain-kennedy bipartisan bill never voted on. some genuinely good ideas.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comprehensive_Immigration_Reform_Act_of_2006
this one got passed in the senate 62-38, but house conservatives killed it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borde...m_and_Illegal_Immigration_Control_Act_of_2005
house measure that passed but doa in senate cause of sanctuary criminality and a couple of other"hardline" items.
just food for thought cause there is nothing ever new under the sun.
these were all during republican house and senate majorities.
 
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...m-happen/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.084d57500ad
the first line in the article will either make you lol, or cry inconsolably.
is a dem sponsored bill that has elements of rep. bills, and differs on border security though allows for the Dept Homeland security to address illegal immigration as a goal oriented funding. come up with plan, implement and show results. interesting talking points
https://www.politifact.com/punditfa...nators-pass-immigration-reform-bills-2006-20/
kind of sums up the recent process.
 
The police officer shot and killed in California was shot by an illegal.
We need border reform.
How do you know he crossed illegally at the Southern border with Mexico? Maybe he did or maybe he didn't. Maybe it was just someone who weighs 400 lbs. sitting on his mother's bed.
 
How do you know he crossed illegally at the Southern border with Mexico? Maybe he did or maybe he didn't. Maybe it was just someone who weighs 400 lbs. sitting on his mother's bed.
Thats what I heard the chief of police say?
Im all for legal immigrants, I have friends and relatives that are here legally. They all agree that harden criminals/gang members shouldn't be allowed in as they have no respect for the innocent and/or laws.
 
Thats what I heard the chief of police say?
Im all for legal immigrants, I have friends and relatives that are here legally. They all agree that harden criminals/gang members shouldn't be allowed in as they have no respect for the innocent and/or laws.
The Chief of Police is quoted as saying that it was inappropriate for them to disclose his name. Did he change his mind?
 
The Chief of Police is quoted as saying that it was inappropriate for them to disclose his name. Did he change his mind?
don't think so about the name but last nighty he mentioned their suspect was in the country illegally.

Im a cancer survivor because I had it cut out.
 
The doc said I had three options: 1-do nothing 2-radiation with risk of collateral damage to other areas and it could return 3- cut it out
I was given one option and so I took it. Well, I guess I did have the other option of dying.
My VA doctor was superb and a close personal friend of Dr. Fauci, the head of the CDC's department of infectious diseases. Dr. Fauci is the guy interviewed during the Ebola scare on the national news. They actually revised to specification on my type of cancer because of my case. Kind of cool except I've got to take the pill every day an hour before breakfast for the rest of my life.
We should get together and toast our good luck in beating that shit.
 
He only had two prior DUI's.

One more and they might have deported him. Ok, five or six more and he would have been given a stern talking to.
Should they deport everyone who gets a DUI? If they're here legally such as being a U.S. citizen, should they throw them in the slammer with a felony if they get a DUI?
 
Should they deport everyone who gets a DUI? If they're here legally such as being a U.S. citizen, should they throw them in the slammer with a felony if they get a DUI?


If you catch your grandchild stealing 20 bucks from your wallet would you call the cops?

If you catch another fan at the Blazer game stealing 20 bucks from your wallet will you treat him the same way as you would family?
 
If you catch your grandchild stealing 20 bucks from your wallet would you call the cops?

If you catch another fan at the Blazer game stealing 20 bucks from your wallet will you treat him the same way as you would family?

If fellow blazer fans aren't family, then who is?

barfo
 
If you catch your grandchild stealing 20 bucks from your wallet would you call the cops?

If you catch another fan at the Blazer game stealing 20 bucks from your wallet will you treat him the same way as you would family?
I fail to understand your point.
If a person is caught in a DUI they get punished, right? The question was, should they be deported. I'd like to stick to that thread.
 
I fail to understand your point.
If a person is caught in a DUI they get punished, right? The question was, should they be deported. I'd like to stick to that thread.
An American citizen or legal alien?
 
I fail to understand your point.
If a person is caught in a DUI they get punished, right? The question was, should they be deported. I'd like to stick to that thread.
Why don't you get the point? It is quite obvious.

Americans of all colors are part of a collective. Illegal aliens aren't.

I choose who to marry to extend my family. Some chick didn't just break in my house and call MARRIED!!!
 
Why don't you get the point? It is quite obvious.

Americans of all colors are part of a collective. Illegal aliens aren't.

I choose who to marry to extend my family. Some chick didn't just break in my house and call MARRIED!!!
The majority of Americans don't get your point. In fact, if it weren't for Mitch McConnell there would have been a solution to the undocumented immigrant issue a long time ago so Congress also agreed with me.
 
Anyone caught doing a DUI gets punished. Again, should undocumented immigrants be deported in addition to their punishment?
They should be deported immediately. Forget paying to imprison them for however long.
 
The majority of Americans don't get your point. In fact, if it weren't for Mitch McConnell there would have been a solution to the undocumented immigrant issue a long time ago so Congress also agreed with me.
The majority today or 75 years ago when Schumer said this????

 
Not as lot of skilled white collar labor coming up here from Latin America. However, if you mow lawns for a living, you might want to consider going back to school.
Concrete, drywall, framing, painting, oilfield, roofing, masonry, industrial cleaning, manufacturing, agriculture and the list goes on and on and on. All used to be viable sources of income before the flood of cheap labor. Going back to school isn't an option for most people, college isnt much more than a racket nowdaws anyway. Most college graduates I know bartend or wait tables. Not exactly a fair trade for a $30,000 degree. Why do you feel legal citizens should be forced to pay for Cracker Jack college degrees in order to compete with non citizens who dont go to college?
 
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Concrete, drywall, framing, painting, oilfield, roofing, masonry, industrial cleaning, manufacturing, agriculture and the list goes on and on and on. All used to be viable sources of income before the flood of cheap labor.

There are two sides to that, though. That cheap labor makes our houses, food, gas, etc. cheaper. Are you willing to have your cost of living go up in order to pay more to people working in those trades? I'm not arguing that it would be a bad tradeoff to make, just that that is the tradeoff.

There is another tradeoff, which is that some jobs might not be available at higher pay. More expensive labor may make US products noncompetitive against imports, so again it's a consumer tradeoff - are you willing to pay more for US products than for imports (study says: most people are not).

Going back to school isn't an option for most people, college isnt much more than a racket nowdaws anyway. Most college graduates I know bartend or wait tables. Not exactly a fair trade for a $30,000 degree.

That should work itself out - if college degrees are seen as leading to a bartending job, people will presumably stop going to college and just take the bartending job out of high school.

Why do you feel legal citizens should be forced to pay for Cracker Jack college degrees in order to compete with non citizens who dont go to college?

I don't think a college degree is required to compete with non-citizens w/o a degree. That doesn't make sense. A college degree might be required to avoid needing to compete for the jobs non-citizens take.

barfo
 
There are two sides to that, though. That cheap labor makes our houses, food, gas, etc. cheaper. Are you willing to have your cost of living go up in order to pay more to people working in those trades? I'm not arguing that it would be a bad tradeoff to make, just that that is the tradeoff.

There is another tradeoff, which is that some jobs might not be available at higher pay. More expensive labor may make US products noncompetitive against imports, so again it's a consumer tradeoff - are you willing to pay more for US products than for imports (study says: most people are not).



That should work itself out - if college degrees are seen as leading to a bartending job, people will presumably stop going to college and just take the bartending job out of high school.



I don't think a college degree is required to compete with non-citizens w/o a degree. That doesn't make sense. A college degree might be required to avoid needing to compete for the jobs non-citizens take.

barfo
My father was a bricklayer and I earned some of my college money by working for him. We got paid a pittance back in the mid 60s and while bricklayers and hod carriers are still paid a pittance it's relatively more than what we got paid back then.
Before I bought this house, I had my last house remodeled before I sold it. Almost all the work was done by people who spoke Spanish. They worked very hard, did very good work and called me
señor. Now, at my new home, the yard workers all speak Spanish and they are very hard working and do excellent work.

We've had several women interview with us to do housework. None of them speak English as their primary language.

No one has tried to do any work for us that spoke English as their primary language with the exception of our general contractor, whom I had to fire because he was a thief. I got a replacement contractor who was also a Caucasian English speaking person who also turned out to be a thief.

Ask me who I prefer doing the work on and around my house.

Here's a side note - None of the Spanish speakers tried to rape my wife or murder me. None of them had communicable diseases. None of them were ISIS. None of them had babies born here. If they're good enough for Trump to hire, I guess they're good enough for me.
 
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