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boredinsalem said:
Is Morris appreciably better than Noah? Bradley would've been perfect here!
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Noah is also 21, Marcus is 27.

Marcus was better last year; not sure about moving forward. Also, not in love with his attitude or shot taking. More offensively gifted than Vonleh ever will be, probably.
 
That's a bad trade for Boston but they had to do this. Bradley is also expiring and they won't have money to extend both him and IT next year. Smart and Brown can both play SG and so can Hayward.
 
is hayward really worth it if you get rid of crowder and bradley?
 
Cippy91 said:
is hayward really worth it if you get rid of crowder and bradley?
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If they get rid of Crowder they will get nice return back. They don't have to get rid of anyone anymore, they have cleared the cap to sign Hayward with moving Bradley already.
 
Boston has so many options....now that they've landed Hayward, their will be plenty of good role players available around the league...I agree with Schilly....Olshey is like a shark waiting for the whales to stop feeding so he can swoop in and get a few tasty tuna fish
 
TBpup said:
Because of the cap room they created with the Bradley trade, now they don't have to trade Crowder.
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True... but Portland wasn't an option in a salary clearing move anyways. They still have too many small forwards that need playing time with Jaylen and Tatum... Vonleh and an unprotected 1st makes sense for both teams
 
TBpup said:
Sadly, @JFizzleRaider is probably right which means the Nets would have not interest in Crabbe if that happens. Damn, Neil really hamstrung this roster/Cap.
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Yeah, Neil really has hamstrung this roster. I mean, we haven't evolved at all since acquiring Turner/Crabbe.

Let's see, we went into the season with Plumlee and are leaving with Nurkic / Collins (top 10 pick) / Swanigan.

All of these acquisitions occurred after, supposedly, 'hamstringing' our roster. I'm pretty happy that Neil had decisions to make as it resulted in the Nurkic trade (no way we trade Plumlee if we have bundles of cap space) and ultimately a top 10 pick, that a handful of teams would be ecstatic about acquiring. I see more people give praise to Utah for trading up for Donovan Fucking(!) Mitchell (shout out Harrison Barnes) in this forum than they do Zach Collins.

Also, the alternative was to let Crabbe walk, probably miss out on Turner, then probably try and sign 1 year + team options for cap space for this off season or chase other (really overpriced FA, at least Crabbe shoots at an elite level, consistent or not)

Then what? Sign Tim Hardaway for 20 Mill? James Johnson for 20 mill?

Rememeber, we don't make the Nurk trade in this scenario as we have plenty of cap space for Plumlee, so we miss out on Z Collins as well.

We now have Dame/CJ/Harkless/Aminu/Plumlee Vonleh/Pat/Layman/Meyers/Davis whatever scrub we signed last year on most likely a 1+1 contract. Then we blow all our cap space on one of those dorks that just got 20 mill. We have no use for cap space - even if we had the most cap space in the league, we would get a role player for 20-25 million.
 
I mean, a smart, crowder, brown or tatum and picks package is really attractive for anyone that wants to reset after they get off to a bad start. Probably closer to the trade deadline when a team severely underperforms.
 
Turner could have been signed for a shorter contract or even a 1-year. No one else was offering near as much and even Turner admitted he was surprised at how much the offer was.

The Draft happens every year regardless of the Cap so that doesn't really apply to what I was referring to. Sure, they could have let Crabbe walk. There were numerous players for 1/4 of what Crabbe got that produced more than he did. Completely one-dimensional and not aggressive at the one thing he is good at. HUGE overpay.
 
Ouch. Zach lowe wrote this in his new free agency piece...

Loser: The priced-out Blazers
Standing still in the West is like pulling your hamstring in a road race and watching everyone whiz by you. The Blazers are coming off a .500 season, and at least two teams below them -- the Wolves and Nuggets -- are primed for a leap. Utah and the Clippers should hang in the playoff race. Portland could have more than $130 million, and perhaps much more, committed in each of the next three seasons.

Reminder: The Blazers were in a use-it-or-lose-it situation with their cap space a year ago. They bet big on Evan Turner, and matched even bigger on Allen Crabbe. They wagered both would be movable in a league starved for wings.

Nope. Portland would need to sweeten the pot with a first-round pick to flip either of those guys right now. In hindsight -- and you know what they say about hindsight -- they probably should have picked one. Maurice Harkless and Al-Farouq Aminu have trade value, but only because they are on good contracts Portland would rather keep. The Blazers have upside. Their best players are young, and they went 14-5 with Jusuf Nurkic in the starting lineup before he broke his leg. But the landscape has changed.
 
riverman said:
Boston has so many options....now that they've landed Hayward, their will be plenty of good role players available around the league...I agree with Schilly....Olshey is like a shark waiting for the whales to stop feeding so he can swoop in and get a few tasty tuna fish
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Riverman, I love your optimism, but can you tell me what tasty tuna fish are available for 50% MLE or for trade of our bloated contracts?
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Riverman, I love your optimism, but can you tell me what tasty tuna fish are available for 50% MLE or for trade of our bloated contracts?
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The Blazers are more like seagulls in this scenario, waiting on the beach for a half-eaten carcass to wash up, so they can peck at its rotten flesh.

Yummy!
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Riverman, I love your optimism, but can you tell me what tasty tuna fish are available for 50% MLE or for trade of our bloated contracts?
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We won't shed those contracts....we could however shore up the bench with minor trades involving Harkless or Leonard....Turner to me is good value...they've invested enough in Crabbe to see if he makes the leap this season...if not...at least boost his trade value by the deadline....we're not getting another Nurk this summer or anyone of his caliber...I get the sense that they are not giving up on developing players under contract unless it's Meyers, Mo, Ed, PC, or Layman..in my view we haven't seen this roster after a full training camp and playing together healthy....I like most of our players with the exception of Leonard and he's not on a huge deal....the art of moving Leonard is probably a tricky task
 
Nikolokolus said:
The Blazers are more like seagulls in this scenario, waiting on the beach for a half-eaten carcass to wash up, so they can peck at its rotten flesh.

Yummy!
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Vivid
 
riverman said:
Boston has so many options....now that they've landed Hayward, their will be plenty of good role players available around the league...I agree with Schilly....Olshey is like a shark waiting for the whales to stop feeding so he can swoop in and get a few tasty tuna fish
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That's what he shoulda done last year instead of going all in on the whale itself like he did with ET's contract. Thank God Parsons spurned us.
 
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