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Natebishop3 said:
Zach Lowe said it perfectly.

Neil gambled that there would be a demand for wings, so he matched Crabbe and signed Turner, but he got burned. The cap went down and nobody is biting.
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We signed 3 players on the basis that 'under new cap their contracts are manageable'. No, they are not. They only got those offers because cap went $24M up in one bulk and many teams suddenly got $24M to spend and decided it's somehow a good idea to overpay players like Noah, Biyombo, Anderson, Crabbe etc. and ended up getting deals that are impossible to move and will be stuck with those players unless they trade them for equally bad deals.
 
Sarni said:
We signed 3 players on the basis that 'under new cap their contracts are manageable'. No, they are not. They only got those offers because cap went $24M up in one bulk and many teams suddenly got $24M to spend and decided it's somehow a good idea to overpay players like Noah, Biyombo, Anderson, Crabbe etc. and ended up getting deals that are impossible to move and will be stuck with those players unless they trade them for equally bad deals.
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Enter: Ryan Anderson
 
KeepOnRollin said:
First KCP and now...


Plus Tyreke Evans basically getting mini-MLE. Has to make Olshey's stomach churn not to have cap space to use. He gambled that guys would get way overpaid like last year and lost.

To be fair, I was fine with all the signings outside of matching Crabbe at the time (oh and Leonard. Didn't want him on the team period).
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I was under the impression that last off season we needed to 'use it or lose it' in regards to capspace. We weren't going to have capspace this off season anyway, or am I wrong?
 
noknobs said:
I was under the impression that last off season we needed to 'use it or lose it' in regards to capspace. We weren't going to have capspace this off season anyway, or am I wrong?
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Not much so you are mostly correct. We could have had somewhere around 8-12 Mil I think I heard.
 
noknobs said:
I was under the impression that last off season we needed to 'use it or lose it' in regards to capspace. We weren't going to have capspace this off season anyway, or am I wrong?
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Sorta. Around 10 mil or so this year without dumbass deals last Summer.

No L
No Crabbe
No Turner.

Probably be a better team today
 
Boob-No-More said:
$10 million in unguaranteed contracts for Meyers Leonard. Get 'er done Neil!

BNM
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It says they want
Mediocre Man said:
Sorta. Around 10 mil or so this year without dumbass deals last Summer.

No L
No Crabbe
No Turner.

Probably be a better team today
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I have yet to see anyone explain how $10M in cap space this summer acquires one player as good as Crabbe or Turner. Joe Ingles got $13M.
 
e_blazer said:
It says they want


I have yet to see anyone explain how $10M in cap space this summer acquires one player as good as Crabbe or Turner. Joe Ingles got $13M.
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It gets us closer to being under the LT which makes S&Ts possible.
 
BonesJones said:
It gets us closer to being under the LT which makes S&Ts possible.
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Well obviously if you're under the cap you're under the LT threshold. You're also down three players with only $10M in cap space and the MLE to replace them.
 
e_blazer said:
Well obviously if you're under the cap you're under the LT threshold. You're also down three players with only $10M in cap space and the MLE to replace them.
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We couldve trade Aminu and Napier to get to $20M while still having a full frontcourt rotation and only 2 backup wing positions to replace.
 
e_blazer said:
It says they want


I have yet to see anyone explain how $10M in cap space this summer acquires one player as good as Crabbe or Turner. Joe Ingles got $13M.
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Sure, if you have $10 million and need $13 million, move Davis or Aminu as an expiring contract for a deep bench guy that makes less per year, but has more years left.

Point is, without those bad contracts we'd have a lot more flexibility and a lot more options.

BTW, I'm not saying this is what we should have done, just answering your question about how we could have done it. That's just one example and it's based on the signings to date. The first guys to sign are the guys that get the big bucks. Once everyone blows their cap space wad, there are bargains to be had. Unfortunately, because we are over the tax apron, we aren't in the position to get any of those bargains.

If we had the full MLE, we could use it to pick up a player that would replace Crabbe or Turner for a lot less money - so replace one with a free agent of comparable quality for less money. Replace that other with the MLE and why worry about replacing Leonard. Most would consider him a net negative who's production should be more than replaced by our rookies.

In this alternate universe, we are at least as well off as we are now, in terms of talent and not entering year one of luxury tax hell.

P.S. I realize I am typing this with the benefit of 20:20 hindsight - which is why I'm not on the fire Neil bandwagon. Those contracts looked questionable at the time, but a year later they look downright terrible. He was banking on the cap rising to $108 million and individual contracts continuing to escalate. Unfortunately, neither of those things happened.

BNM
 
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e_blazer said:
It says they want


I have yet to see anyone explain how $10M in cap space this summer acquires one player as good as Crabbe or Turner. Joe Ingles got $13M.
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It doesn't do anything for us. We lose Crabbe, Turner, Nurk...

Would've signed whoever our next target was in free agency (even though our priority was signing a 3rd ballhandler, per request of Dame and Cj)

We would've been eligible for S&Ts, but since contracts are still bloated, there is no one we could trade for that is realistically worth the value of Nurk, Crabbe and ET. And we wouldn't be able to sign comparable players.

They also don't acknowledge that we don't get Nurkic if we don't blow our cap space, essentially forcing us to trade Plumlee.
 
Tyreke Evans is literally a more injury prone version of Evan Turner. Evans is the most similar comparison for Evan...

And he got 1 year, $3.3M and Turner got 4 years, $70M. SMH.

I wish we used our Bi-Annual Exception to land Evans, and then shipped out Turner, Leonard, and a 2018 1st to BKN.

Evans would've replaced Turner's role, we would've saved $24M.
 
Per 36 Career Stats:
Evan Turner:_13.4 ppg / 6.4 rpg / 4.7 apg / 43.1 FG% / 29.8 FG3% / 78.2 FT%
Tyreke Evans: 18.0 ppg / 5.3 rpg / 5.7 apg / 44.4 FG% / 29.5 FG3% / 75.7 FT%
 
Pacers might be in a 2015/2016 Portland position. They lost their all-star, but are they really that much worse as a basketball team??? I think they might be a playoff team with the way the Eastern Conference is.

Collison / Young
Oladipo / Stephenson
Bogdanovic / Robinson III
Young / Leaf
Turner / Jefferson
 
Avery Bradley for Marcus Morris... that's kinda crazy, Avery and Smart were a big reason for their success.

Unless Tatum is having an insane rookie year, i just don't see how Boston got any better than they were last season. They are still in the same tier.
 
Blazers Roy said:
Avery Bradley for Marcus Morris... that's kinda crazy, Avery and Smart were a big reason for their success.

Unless Tatum is having an insane rookie year, i just don't see how Boston got any better than they were last season. They are still in the same tier.
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Hayward will be a pretty important addition.
 
Sweetriverphil said:
I'm guessing you prefer to build through the draft then
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Why would preferring $20M in cap space this summer to fill 2 wing spots mean I like building through the draft?
Based on deals signed this year, we could've had backup perimeter combos of:
George Hill & Tyreke Evans
Rudy Gay & Bojan Bogdanovic
James Johnson & Jodie Meeks
etc.

All those combinations are better than Crabbe and Turner. We would be a better team with:
Lillard / McCollum
McCollum / FA
Harkless / FA
Vonleh / Davis / Swanigan
Nurkic / Collins

Hell, if the front office was confident in a Vonleh and Swanigan PF combination, we could've traded Davis and had $27M in cap space to fill the 2 backup wing spots. We could've had the chance to sign Johnson and Gay for $2M more than they signed for with other teams, and then use the Room Exception for Meeks, who is a Crabbe type player.

Lillard / McCollum
McCollum / Meeks
Harkless / Gay
Johnson / Vonleh / Swanigan
Nurkic / Collins

Basically, we would've had a lot of free agent options this summer, with those options being better players than Crabbe and Turner, and at a cheaper price. If we saved our cap space till this year, we would've been golden. However, we're stuck paying Turner, Crabbe, and Meyers, and we won't have cap space when they come off the books because Nurkic, McCollum and Lillard will make a combined $85M.
 
riverman said:
He was a rental at best and we sold high on him....brilliant move by Olshey in my book...I'm sure he's been on the block since he put on a Portland uniform..nice guy and all
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He may have been a rental; I have trouble believing his plan going into the season was to ship off our starting center with no center depth behind him.
 
Blazers Roy said:
Avery Bradley for Marcus Morris... that's kinda crazy, Avery and Smart were a big reason for their success.

Unless Tatum is having an insane rookie year, i just don't see how Boston got any better than they were last season. They are still in the same tier.
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Losing Bradley sucks.... but smart can play good d too. I can't see how people are saying they got worse.
 
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