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Destroyer of Worlds said:
He may have been a rental; I have trouble believing his plan going into the season was to ship off our starting center with no center depth behind him.
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I think he sold high on Mason....who's truly a tweener...he was replaceable but a hard working good teammate...his younger brother is going to be good..the Knicks just waived him I think his name is Marshall?
 
riverman said:
He was a rental at best and we sold high on him....brilliant move by Olshey in my book...I'm sure he's been on the block since he put on a Portland uniform..nice guy and all
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My guess is the original plan was to have plumlee backup Greg Monroe, but also serve as insurance in case they couldn't land him. We know the rest of the story. He overachieved, and we sold him for a franchise center. But Olshey haters will ignore it. Or better yet, tell you he lucked into it.
 
Scalma said:
My guess is the original plan was to have plumlee backup Greg Monroe, but also serve as insurance in case they couldn't land him. We know the rest of the story. He overachieved, and we sold him for a franchise center. But Olshey haters will ignore it. Or better yet, tell you he lucked into it.
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Oh dear. Yes, it was a good deal. I think everyone agrees on that.

Doesn't make up for the mistakes though. 1 good move out of 3 doesn't make the criticisms go away.

That's true for all gms. Some gms get canned after one blunder.
 
BonesJones said:
Why would preferring $20M in cap space this summer to fill 2 wing spots mean I like building through the draft?
Based on deals signed this year, we could've had backup perimeter combos of:
George Hill & Tyreke Evans
Rudy Gay & Bojan Bogdanovic
James Johnson & Jodie Meeks
etc.

All those combinations are better than Crabbe and Turner. We would be a better team with:
Lillard / McCollum
McCollum / FA
Harkless / FA
Vonleh / Davis / Swanigan
Nurkic / Collins

Hell, if the front office was confident in a Vonleh and Swanigan PF combination, we could've traded Davis and had $27M in cap space to fill the 2 backup wing spots. We could've had the chance to sign Johnson and Gay for $2M more than they signed for with other teams, and then use the Room Exception for Meeks, who is a Crabbe type player.

Lillard / McCollum
McCollum / Meeks
Harkless / Gay
Johnson / Vonleh / Swanigan
Nurkic / Collins

Basically, we would've had a lot of free agent options this summer, with those options being better players than Crabbe and Turner, and at a cheaper price. If we saved our cap space till this year, we would've been golden. However, we're stuck paying Turner, Crabbe, and Meyers, and we won't have cap space when they come off the books because Nurkic, McCollum and Lillard will make a combined $85M.
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And then what would you have done to address the center position, prior to figuring out free agents? Since we still would've had Plumlee.

Would've had to move quickly on Gay/Evans / then either resign Mason or sign a starting C - which isn't exactly cheap. We also lose out on our possible star.

Unless you truly think Olshey was planning on trading our only competent player at center for a benched backup C and first rounder going into the season and I believe he said at his presser he still was hesitant to do it except for the pick..

Otherwise if we know about Nurk and don't worry about RFA offer to Plum this year, yeah, probably could've spent the money a little more wisely building for now rather than later. But acquiring Nurk moved us further along our progression than many believe, imo.
 
Blazers Roy said:
Subtract Crowder and Bradley, add Hayward. Thomas is after a serious injury,Horford is older, almost no big bodies on the team.
Sounds kinda 'meh' to me.
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They have added Tatum, Hayward and Morris.

Lost bradley, johnson and olynyk.

They haven't lost crowder and appear intent on keeping him for the time being.

I would make that trade everytime.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
They have added Tatum, Hayward and Morris.

Lost bradley, johnson and olynyk.

They haven't lost crowder and appear intent on keeping him for the time being.

I would make that trade everytime.
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I'm not saying i'm taking Avery Bradley over GH, I just don't think they made the jump that they hoped for.
 
Boob-No-More said:
Sure, if you have $10 million and need $13 million, move Davis or Aminu as an expiring contract for a deep bench guy that makes less per year, but has more years left.

Point is, without those bad contracts we'd have a lot more flexibility and a lot more options.

BTW, I'm not saying this is what we should have done, just answering your question about how we could have done it. That's just one example and it's based on the signings to date. The first guys to sign are the guys that get the big bucks. Once everyone blows their cap space wad, there are bargains to be had. Unfortunately, because we are over the tax apron, we aren't in the position to get any of those bargains.

If we had the full MLE, we could use it to pick up a player that would replace Crabbe or Turner for a lot less money - so replace one with a free agent of comparable quality for less money. Replace that other with the MLE and why worry about replacing Leonard. Most would consider him a net negative who's production should be more than replaced by our rookies.

In this alternate universe, we are at least as well off as we are now, in terms of talent and not entering year one of luxury tax hell.

P.S. I realize I am typing this with the benefit of 20:20 hindsight - which is why I'm not on the fire Neil bandwagon. Those contracts looked questionable at the time, but a year later they look downright terrible. He was banking on the cap rising to $108 million and individual contracts continuing to escalate. Unfortunately, neither of those things happened.

BNM
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There's always a flip side to these discussions. People tend to only see the value of a contract as being the value of the player. That is, the objection to Crabbe's and Turner's contracts is that they don't think the quality of their play is worth what they're being paid because their production isn't equal to what some other players earning those salaries are producing. But that's not the total picture because contracts nearly always have value at some point in their life span and in certain situations. Let's say a couple of years from now that All-Star Player X has put his team in the same situation that Paul George just put the Pacers or LaMarcus Aldridge put the the Blazers. Player X's current team is looking for a trade that will net them young players and draft picks for a rebuild. Let's also say Collins or Swanigan are coming along and are desirable as trade assets, but are still on their cheap rookie deals. A deal of one of those guys plus a first round pick is acceptable, but you need a large salary or two to match what All-Star Player X is making. The deals that Crabbe or Turner have will work and they're not a large albatross because they've only got one more year on them. The deal is consummated and the Blazers add All-Star Player X to their roster and proceed to win a title. Yippee! Everyone in Blazerland is ecstatic, including the naysayers who couldn't see any value to those massive albatross deals that Olshey gave away back in 2016. Oh well, when's the parade?
 
BonesJones said:
Facts are painful. I know. I'm sorry.
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Those facts are great but answer this:

How were we supposed to get Evans instead of Turner?

Evans has ALWAYS been injury prone. Are you saying that didn't factor into his contract?

Evans contract has nothing to do with Turner's....
 
BonesJones said:
Per 36 Career Stats:
Evan Turner:_13.4 ppg / 6.4 rpg / 4.7 apg / 43.1 FG% / 29.8 FG3% / 78.2 FT%
Tyreke Evans: 18.0 ppg / 5.3 rpg / 5.7 apg / 44.4 FG% / 29.5 FG3% / 75.7 FT%
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That was really cruel, Bones, to post that; I hope Neil Olshey isn't reading this!
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
That was really cruel, Bones, to post that; I hope Neil Olshey isn't reading this!
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Aside from the fact that Turner is a better defender and Tyreke is always injured. I'd take Turner 10 times out of 10. This is not to defend Turner's contract though. I still have yet to find a way to defend the price tag, and I'm frankly not going to even attempt to. I just would much prefer Turner on the team over Tyreke.
 
Jeff Green isn't good offensively or defensively. Nor can he rebound. You know how Boob keeps saying Crabbe literally does nothing at even an average level except shoot open threes? Green does nothing at even an average level and isn't a good shooter. A minimum contract is basically the right value for him.
 
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