Around the NBA - July 2017 Edition

[Sarni]

Kyrie is getting traded to the Knicks looks like for Melo and picks...Suns are rumored to be the 3rd team somehow...I'd assume for Love...not sure what the Suns give up in the deal. Gordon maybe?

They would have to add something VERY signficant for this to make sense and probably involve a third team to send Cleveland an asset. Irving is a very good player, Melo is an ageing superstar who won't replace him and Cavs are still going to need a starting point guard. If Knicks get Irving and don't lose Porzingis, they are probably a playoffs team in the East so their picks are not worth all that much.

I think Suns would need to give up Bledsoe and another asset to get involved.

 

[royo]

The problem is there are so few teams that actually need a PG.

I think he should go to Houston. They would have 3 legit stars on backcourt. Very aggressive small lineup. And after CP3 trade I could see it actually happening.

(It's not really my 2nd post)

 

[GDiama]

AD plays along an All Star center and All Star (in East) Point Guard. And he still couldn't get his team to playoffs.

There is a reason he was voted first team all nba. And that alla star center you talk about i suppose none would really want on his team as he seems a cancer. Would you trade Nurk for Cousins? Have you also seen the rest of their team? Half of their roster would probably be 2way contracts for us.

 

[Sarni]

I think he should go to Houston. They would have 3 legit stars on backcourt. Very aggressive small lineup. And after CP3 trade I could see it actually happening.

(It's not really my 2nd post)

They don't have the assets to attract Cavs and they don't really need three top class guard.

 

[royo]

I think Harden and CP3 is so stupid idea, that they might as well take Irving.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I think Harden and CP3 is so stupid idea, that they might as well take Irving.

Perhaps I missed the green font, but...

HOU doesn't have the assets to get Carmelo Anthony. How, exactly ate they going to get Kyrie Irving?

Kyrie wants out of CLE because he doesn't want to be the second banana to LeBron James, the best player on the planet. What makes you think he'd be happy being the third banana in HOU behind Harden and CP3?

BNM

 

[Sarni]

Looking around the league, I think there are maybe below teams who could want Irving and have the assets to get it done:

- Phoenix Suns - he is better than all their point guards, but they could send a decent one in return, plus they have three highly promising young players in Josh Jackson, Devin Booker and Marquesee Chriss, so they could add one of them in the deal and then maybe even add another pick. Bledsoe + Booker should comfortably get this done but also Bledsoe + Chriss + pick is a good enough offer. IMO if they want it, they can get it done.

- San Antonio Spurs - the assets part is difficult here but they could offer Dejounte Murray, Aldridge and perhaps even two picks. They don't have much young talent outside Murray and their picks are not worth much because of how good they usually are.

- New York Knicks - they need a point guard badly, could perhaps offer Porzingis and get this done comfortably but I doubt they will do that. Best case scenario for Cavs is them offering Ntilikina, Hernangomez, Anthony and two picks, then hoping Irving + Porzingis is not that good combination and picks end up being good.

- Miami Heat - outside chance too IMO as Irving is better than Dragic and they need a leader (which Kyrie at least thinks he is). They could offer Dragic, one of their young players (Winslow or Adebayo), one of their good contract players (Waiters or Johnson) and, I am not sure this is possible, a pick.

 

[Orion Bailey]

All of a sudden Minnesota is a preferred destination now??? WTF????

Portland is Fargo.

Has nothing to do with whether he likes Portland or no. He wants to be first fiddle. We have his position covered here. He would not be a Good fit here because he knows we are not trading dame or cj. So why mention portland?

 

[Sarni]

I don't see how Timberwolves could do this trade now, although if they got Towns, Butler and Irving that's a hell of a team.

 

[royo]

Perhaps I missed the green font, but...

BNM

I think Harden and CP3 is so stupid idea, that they might as well take Irving. Then they could add Mayers Leonard on C and Michel as a coach and be ready for Space Jam 3

I guess it's clear now.

 

[Sinobas]

 

[Minstrel]

 

[Sarni]

True. They could have also comfortably traded for Jimmy Butler, offering Irving. The timing is bad because there don't seem to be any superstarts on the market.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Did they have a GM then?

 

[Minstrel]

Did they have a GM then?

Depends on the specific day. I believe Griffin was fired June 19th. That's what I recall reading recently in an article about all this.

 

[e_blazer]

So, let's say that the Cavs are able to sign Rose to a one year deal, as discussed here: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...-cleveland-cavaliers-meets-los-angeles-lakers

Let's also say that they're able to move Kyrie and Frye to the Knicks in exchange for Carmelo.

Is a roster with James, Carmelo, Love, Rose and Shumpert/Smith better able to contend with the Warriors? Is it better than last year's roster? Are James, Melo and Love too similar for the lineup to work, or does it matter in today's "positionless" theory of the NBA?

 

[dead247]

Mars is also flat

 

[Minstrel]

Is a roster with James, Carmelo, Love, Rose and Shumpert/Smith better able to contend with the Warriors? Is it better than last year's roster? Are James, Melo and Love too similar for the lineup to work, or does it matter in today's "positionless" theory of the NBA?

It's significantly worse, IMO. Derrick Rose is a well below average player at this point, despite his superficially impressive PPG, and Anthony is probably average or so, maybe slightly above average at best. Breaking a star down into two lesser players (neither of whom improves the defense and neither of whom can shoot like Irving) makes them much less able to compete with Golden State, as far as I'm concerned.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Depends on the specific day. I believe Griffin was fired June 19th. That's what I recall reading recently in an article about all this.

Makes me wonder if Griffin leaked Kyrie's demands...

 

[Minstrel]

 

[e_blazer]

It's significantly worse, IMO. Derrick Rose is a well below average player at this point, despite his superficially impressive PPG, and Anthony is probably average or so, maybe slightly above average at best. Breaking a star down into two lesser players (neither of whom improves the defense and neither of whom can shoot like Irving) makes them much less able to compete with Golden State, as far as I'm concerned.

Pretty much my thoughts as well. So, the East gets even weaker as the NBA tilts farther and farther to the West.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Pretty much my thoughts as well. So, the East gets even weaker as the NBA tilts farther and farther to the West.

I think it was Tupac who said (sang); the west coast is the best coast!

 

[Minstrel]

Pretty much my thoughts as well. So, the East gets even weaker as the NBA tilts farther and farther to the West.

I don't expect Cleveland to trade Irving straight up for Anthony though. The best trade suggestion I've seen is a three-way between Cleveland, New York and Phoenix and Cleveland comes away with Bledsoe, Anthony and a New York first-rounder. That's more reasonable--I still think Cleveland would be worse, but maybe not significantly so.

 

[e_blazer]

I think it was Tupac who said (sang); the west coast is the best coast!

I'm more from the Beach Boys era:

"The West coast has the sunshine
And the girls all get so tanned."

Sorry. Daydreaming. What was this discussion about again?

 

[e_blazer]

I don't expect Cleveland to trade Irving straight up for Anthony though. The best trade suggestion I've seen is a three-way between Cleveland, New York and Phoenix and Cleveland comes away with Bledsoe, Anthony and a New York first-rounder. That's more reasonable--I still think Cleveland would be worse, but maybe not significantly so.

Yeah, the one I saw had them giving up Irving and Love and getting Bledsoe and Anthony. In my view, that's a pretty significant downgrade.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

The irony of the East Coast domination of the media, West Coast domination of the NBA...

 

[Minstrel]

Yeah, the one I saw had them giving up Irving and Love and getting Bledsoe and Anthony. In my view, that's a pretty significant downgrade.

If they include Love, yeah, but I don't see why they'd need to do that. Irving by himself is more valuable than Bledsoe plus Anthony.

 

[e_blazer]

If they include Love, yeah, but I don't see why they'd need to do that. Irving by himself is more valuable than Bledsoe plus Anthony.

I agree, but there's the question of what the Suns get out of the deal. The rumor I saw was Love plus the rights to Frank Ntilikina. Other than Love, what do the Knicks or Cavs have to offer that would induce the Suns to part with Bledsoe?

 

[e_blazer]

The irony of the East Coast domination of the media, West Coast domination of the NBA...

Given the heavy dominance of the east coast in terms of population distribution in this country, having such a talent drift to the Western Conference is not a good recipe for the league to continue to draw enough viewers to succeed.

 

[BBert]

Wasn't it John Barry who went off on how it was a disaster for the league when Portland drafted Oden and Seattle drafted Durant? Or was that Screamin A Smith? Both?