Batum for #4 pick?

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Rhal said:
Id much rather keep Batum then trade him for the #4 pick if we keep LA. If we dont then id deal Batum for even less then the #4 pick. I love Batum and want to keep him but without LA im not willing to pay him after next year with the salary he will demand.
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It wouldn't be just Batum for #4. It would be a huge increase in cap space as well.
 
magnifier661 said:
It wouldn't be just Batum for #4. It would be a huge increase in cap space as well.
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Capspace that isnt that big of a deal when wev got the cap hits wev got. Plus who in free agency can we get. The top two SF Middleton/Caroll are both not as good as Batum and both are going to get bigger contracts then Batum got.
 
This summer's free agency sucks. Cap space this summer is meaningless. NEXT summer is when I'd want to have cap space.
 
Rhal said:
Capspace that isnt that big of a deal when wev got the cap hits wev got. Plus who in free agency can we get. The top two SF Middleton/Caroll are both not as good as Batum and both are going to get bigger contracts then Batum got.
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Not true. Adding the 8 mil free from the Batum contract - the #4 salary guarantee is a huge difference. We would be able to retain Matthews, Lopez and Aldridge while offering a max contract to someone else.
 
magnifier661 said:
Not true. Adding the 8 mil free from the Batum contract - the #4 salary guarantee is a huge difference. We would be able to retain Matthews, Lopez and Aldridge while offering a max contract to someone else.
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yup, like deandre for example.
 
If we could trade batum and our pick for #4, I'd like to see us draft Winslow and then sign DeAndre. That makes us a better team IMO
 
Rhal said:
Capspace that isnt that big of a deal when wev got the cap hits wev got. Plus who in free agency can we get. The top two SF Middleton/Caroll are both not as good as Batum and both are going to get bigger contracts then Batum got.
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I'd take Middleton over Batum in a heartbeat..
 
Rastapopoulos said:
You do know that every Blazer starter looked worse in the playoffs, right? Because Memphis is a fucking good defensive team? Ironically, one player whose all-round numbers were better was Batum.
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You do know we have made the playoffs more than this year, right?
 
The worry with me is Batum is going to get his big contract next summer, and turn into Hedo after he got paid by Toronto.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
So you're admitting he didn't disappear in this year's playoffs? And he looks fine in the Houston series... So I'm wondering where these perpetual disappearances happen.
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His playoff averages are 10 4 5 and shooting below his percentages across the board. Not to mention he refuses to post up players that are literally half a foot shorter than him and exploit mismatches. But please, keep defending him.

http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXbXXbatumni01.html&t=11

Check out that PER though, dang homie he is so good in the playoffs. Knock off your non sense defending his play in the playoffs.

Also for reference here is his regular season:http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXbXXbatumni01.html&t=4

So, he isn't significantly worse in the playoffs, huh? Facts buddy.
 
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ThugginPaulyGAllen said:
I'd take Middleton over Batum in a heartbeat..
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Sure take the player who is a worse defender, rebounder, passer, ball handler. Middleton is younger and is a better 3p shooter but much worse from inside the arc.
 
Rhal said:
Sure take the player who is a worse defender, rebounder, passer, ball handler. Middleton is younger and is a better 3p shooter but much worse from inside the arc.
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Middleton is a worse defender than Batum?

Middleton might be one of the best defenders in the league lmao

With that said, I'm not sure I'd take Middleton over Batum with the contract he is most likely about to get.. but 3 and D is exactly what we need.
 
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I don't really get the whole trade Batum thing, at least if Olshey plans to return LA, RoLo and Wes. Yeah, he had a down season last year, but at least a major part of that was due to the wrist injury. Injuries can happen to any player. He says he's going to get more rest this summer, so I don't see any reason not to expect him to return to form. And the form that he offers fits so well with the rest of the core. Dame and LA are the main scorers, with Wes adding punch and wanting a bigger role. RoLo is a rebounder/defensive stopper. Having a SF who is a facilitator just works so well with that unit. Bring in another guy who's looking to rack up big scoring stats and things are going to get ugly fast. Now, if you want to bring in a young stud wing player through the draft or trade who could be an understudy and maybe push Nic out the door in a few years, I'm down with that idea. But dumping Nic just to move up in the draft and get a guy who maybe will be a big asset in a few years, that's just dumb unless the plan is to blow things up and reload for a run in a few years. I don't get the sense that's what Olshey was brought here to do.
 
And even IF LMA leaves this summer (fingers crossed!) I would still wait until the deadline before trading Nic. Let him play until the deadline, increase his value, and then trade him to a team that's contending and just needs that one piece to really cement their run. He'll be worth more in that scenario.
 
blue9 said:
And even IF LMA leaves this summer (fingers crossed!) I would still wait until the deadline before trading Nic. Let him play until the deadline, increase his value, and then trade him to a team that's contending and just needs that one piece to really cement their run. He'll be worth more in that scenario.
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That is unless, Aldridge and Wes want him gone
 
ThugginPaulyGAllen said:
His playoff averages are 10 4 5 and shooting below his percentages across the board. Not to mention he refuses to post up players that are literally half a foot shorter than him and exploit mismatches. But please, keep defending him.

http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXbXXbatumni01.html&t=11

Check out that PER though, dang homie he is so good in the playoffs. Knock off your non sense defending his play in the playoffs.

Also for reference here is his regular season:http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXbXXbatumni01.html&t=4

So, he isn't significantly worse in the playoffs, huh? Facts buddy.
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"Refuses," lol...
 
ThugginPaulyGAllen said:
HE himself said he needed to add a post up game for that reason, "lol..." and said he had to get stronger.

Please inform yourself before replying to my posts.
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I know he said that. But if Stotts said, "Nic, post up!" I'm fairly certain he would not "refuse."

Please inform yourself of actual word meanings before posting in the first place.
 
BlazerWookee said:
I know he said that. But if Stotts said, "Nic, post up!" I'm fairly certain he would not "refuse."

Please inform yourself of actual word meanings before posting in the first place.
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There is a thing called BBIQ, your coach shouldn't have to tell you what to do when you have a mismatch.

You shouldn't be shooting step back long 2's or 3s, or posting up to shoot a sfadeway long 2 on a PG or SG that has NO CHANCE at guarding your length. And lets not forget young BAtum being guarded by Steve Nash and not going in the post.

Also, when Kobe/any half decent veteran player with any history in the NBA of being above average/very good has the ball, they know what to do with it. You don't have to have your coach screaming "get in the post!' they just do it, because, y'know, matchups.

Hell even fucking Wesley MAtthews was bustin little bitches asses in the post this year and you didn't hear Stotts screaming "post him up, Wes!" Wes was just aware of his strengths.

So yes, Batum (is a pretty smart basketball player and knows matchups) knows when someone is smaller than him and he has the advantage and REFUSES to go into the post.

I believe that is "refusal".

Thanks.

Educate yourself before nitpicking, dude. Have a nice day, I'm done with you. Learn the game, then I'll enter into discourse with you once again.
 
Larry Sanders seemed to find Batum in the post when he knocked him for an 8 ft horizontal fall that caused his wrist to hurt the rest of the season. Nico got a lot of rebounds in the paint. Yeah he had a poor shooting year but I think you're stretchin' the point beyond reasonable facts Thuggin'. Wes blew his share of plays as did a lot of players. Even in the championship game, Curry had wide open lanes and settled for long jumpers. It's one thing to not like a player but another to single out a random mistake and make it the guy's identity. Guys who are injured stay in the game by not bangin' in the post and we had plenty of guys injured. Lamarcus couldn't post up as often with a dangling thumb either. It's called injuries. Watch Nico's exit interview and his BBIQ was humble and self critical. He knows he had a bad year. It's not his body of work though, I've watched him since we drafted him. Wes bricked a ton of layups over the last few seasons although he improved last year. Nic fed Rolo in the post with great success.
 
riverman said:
Larry Sanders seemed to find Batum in the post when he knocked him for an 8 ft horizontal fall that caused his wrist to hurt the rest of the season. Nico got a lot of rebounds in the paint. Yeah he had a poor shooting year but I think you're stretchin' the point beyond reasonable facts Thuggin'. Wes blew his share of plays as did a lot of players. Even in the championship game, Curry had wide open lanes and settled for long jumpers. It's one thing to not like a player but another to single out a random mistake and make it the guy's identity. Guys who are injured stay in the game by not bangin' in the post and we had plenty of guys injured. Lamarcus couldn't post up as often with a dangling thumb either. It's called injuries. Watch Nico's exit interview and his BBIQ was humble and self critical. He knows he had a bad year. It's not his body of work though, I've watched him since we drafted him. Wes bricked a ton of layups over the last few seasons although he improved last year. Nic fed Rolo in the post with great success.
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So if Nic didn't get hurt he'd be in the post? Thuggin hit it straight on, passiveness is part of his DNA. Posting up is an aggressive offensive thing to do, something Nic refused to do. I don't count turning your back on a PG then shooting a turnaround fade as a post move, and I don't think I've ever seen him make one post move towards the rim. Ever. And if Nics too hurt to "bang" in the post with a small guard, then he shouldn't be in the game.
You talk about Wes missing layups, well at least he's getting to the rim and taking them over the least efficient shot in basketball.
I also think its funny how you say Steph Curry, the best shooter on the planet, "settled" for long jumpers, as if that justifies Batum's settling for long jumpers. Long jump shots for Curry are like layups. It doesn't justify Nic shooting faradays over guys 6 inches shorter. And Nics self-criticism won't fix what's in his DNA as a basketball player.
 
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BonesJones said:
So if Nic didn't get hurt he'd be in the post? Thuggin hit it straight on, passiveness is part of his DNA. Posting up is an aggressive offensive thing to do, something Nic refused to do. I don't count turning your back on a PG then shooting a turnaround fade as a post move, and I don't think I've ever seen him make one post move towards the rim. Ever. And if Nics too hurt to "bang" in the post with a small guard, then he shouldn't be in the game.
You talk about Wes missing layups, well at least he's getting to the rim and taking them over the least efficient shot in basketball.
I also think its funny how you say Steph Curry, the best shooter on the planet, "settled" for long jumpers, as if that justifies Batum's settling for long jumpers. Long jump shots for Curry are like layups. It doesn't justify Nic shooting faradays over guys 6 inches shorter. And Nics self-criticism won't fix what's in his DNA as a basketball player.
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Posting up is hard to do injured, nice you ignored that part of my post but injured guys do play in games when so many guys are down...Long jumpers are not layups for anyone and Curry played some passive ball throughout the playoffs hesitating to go to the rim when the lane was wide open. Wes has holes in his game as do most of the players on the roster. I'm a fan of Batum's game and could care less if you find it funny or not. You don't like him, I get it. Now you're defining his DNA? Ok....
 
riverman said:
Posting up is hard to do injured, nice you ignored that part of my post but injured guys do play in games when so many guys are down...Long jumpers are not layups for anyone and Curry played some passive ball throughout the playoffs hesitating to go to the rim when the lane was wide open. Wes has holes in his game as do most of the players on the roster. I'm a fan of Batum's game and could care less if you find it funny or not. You don't like him, I get it. Now you're defining his DNA? Ok....
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I do lIke him I just view him without bias. Nice that you missed the part of my post where I said posting up a PG or small 2 every now and then shouldn't be difficult
 
Sorry but you can't compare the MVP of the league being passive at times in the Finals to what Nic does.
 
BonesJones said:
I do lIke him I just view him without bias. Nice that you missed the part of my post where I said posting up a PG or small 2 every now and then shouldn't be difficult
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When you'll say he'll never..(fill in the blank) ...that's the definition of bias
 
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