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JFizzleRaider said:
He got players that can play now. Scola, Odom, KMart is a damn good haul for a guy that would leave next year anyway. If he doesnt want those guys, he could easily move them to other teams individually for assets
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Where is Paul going to leave to? The Knicks are getting Chandler, the Lakers will be over the cap. Paul can sign the mini-MLE if he wants to go to one of those contenders. Or he can get a huge deal with a small market team that has cap room, maybe a team like NO.

Thinking over this some more, I gotta give it up to Cuban though for helping block this trade, now with other contenders over the cap Dallas may be where Paul signs next summer. Did the Lakers get Cubanslapped?
 
Re: Chris Paul is now a Laker . . . FML

Nikolokolus said:
Absolutely. Take away the "Lakers" and "Paul" and substitute anybody else and the only thing you're left with is David "Bonaparte" swinging his dick.

I know everybody around here is going to love this because it cuts the Lakers off from getting what they want, but this is a BAAAAAD precedent being set.
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Exactly.
 
Food for thought

And if the Hornets can't get as good a deal or lose Chris Paul for nothing as a free agent, do Stern and the owners then say, "whoops"?
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Re: Chris Paul is now a Laker . . . FML

Draco said:
Where is Paul going to leave to? The Knicks are getting Chandler, the Lakers will be over the cap. Paul can sign the mini-MLE if he wants to go to one of those contenders. Or he can get a huge deal with a small market team that has cap room, maybe a team like NO.

Thinking over this some more, I gotta give it up to Cuban though for helping block this trade, now with other contenders over the cap Dallas may be where Paul signs next summer. Did the Lakers get Cubanslapped?
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Boston will have cap space and could put together a team, the Clippers will have cap space and a future centerpiece in Griffin, Dallas will have cap space too.
 
Re: Chris Paul is now a Laker . . . FML

Nikolokolus said:
I know everybody around here is going to love this because it cuts the Lakers off from getting what they want, but this is a BAAAAAD precedent being set.
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Yeah, every time the NBA owns a team it can get to veto trades! What happens when it owns every team in the league!!??!!??
 
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JFizzleRaider said:
Boston will have cap space and could put together a team, the Clippers will have cap space and a future centerpiece in Griffin, Dallas will have cap space too.
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But but but it's not Paul's choice! The horror!
 
magnifier661 said:
They really can't do it though. That's the problem. Conflict off interest.
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Who can't do what? Are you seriously suggesting that Hornets shouldn't be allowed to engage in normal personnel business because the league holds them in trust?
 
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magnifier661 said:
But but but it's not Paul's choice! The horror!
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LAL wasn't even his first choice. the fact is New Orleans just screwed themselves because now they will get nothing for him.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Who can't do what? Are you seriously suggesting that Hornets shouldn't be allowed to engage in normal personnel business because the league holds them in trust?
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It's sad that a star forcing a trade to large market is now considered "normal." I suppose it is in the post-Miami era but since the Hornets are owned by the NBA they can take a stand to stop players from threatening franchises with unreasonable trade demands.
 
what's the difference between Chad Buchanan making a trade, only to have Paul Allen say "I'm not trading (Player X). Try again" and Dell Demps making a trade, only to have his ownership group say "I'm not trading (Player X). Try again." ?

And it's not like the Commish can't do things like this. The Ted Stepien rule happened b/c ownership were making trades that disrupted the competitive balance of the league (not that I think this is one).

As I said, I think this is more that it would be the catalyst for a ripoff of ORL for Howard (bynum + trash?) that the league would have no recourse to block. Hence, putting the kibosh on this pretty fair deal.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Who can't do what? Are you seriously suggesting that Hornets shouldn't be allowed to engage in normal personnel business because the league holds them in trust?
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Its against the law. Any competent attorney can provide a good case and sue the nba. It's like having a judge you have a personal relationship with judge your criminal case. Just not constitutional. Trust me, I am a CEO and my contract clearly states I can't have ties with any other business that could compete with theirs.

The nba should have never took the team over and just let them fail. Now hornet fans are fucked. You can bring this up on any deal. Remember this... All deals must be approved by the nba, basically giving the hornets the inside track on any deals. That means they can over bid, under bid, whatever that gives leverage to no.
 
Re: Chris Paul is now a Laker . . . FML

JFizzleRaider said:
Boston will have cap space and could put together a team, the Clippers will have cap space and a future centerpiece in Griffin, Dallas will have cap space too.
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So Paul could go to Boston if they renounce Garnett and Ray Allen, or Dallas if they renounce Terry, Marion, Kidd after losing Chandler and Butler now. I don't think either of those rosters would be contenders.

Clippers could be interesting, although they'd be more an exciting young squad with potential then in danger of getting to the finals.

Those three scenarios are a far cry from Paul being part of another superteam Miami style.
 
BrianFromWA said:
what's the difference between Chad Buchanan making a trade, only to have Paul Allen say "I'm not trading (Player X). Try again" and Dell Demps making a trade, only to have his ownership group say "I'm not trading (Player X). Try again." ?

And it's not like the Commish can't do things like this. The Ted Stepien rule happened b/c ownership were making trades that disrupted the competitive balance of the league (not that I think this is one).

As I said, I think this is more that it would be the catalyst for a ripoff of ORL for Howard (bynum + trash?) that the league would have no recourse to block. Hence, putting the kibosh on this pretty fair deal.
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So they are going to void a completely fair trade for all parties? Where were they on the Gasol trade everyone was up in arms about a few years ago?
 
From Hollinger:
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7334000/nba-lakers-better-not-making-chris-paul-trade

*snip*

We've long suspected that many of the league's owners are only dimly aware of what makes a basketball team successful.

Now we have proof.

Set aside the league's laughable press release that the Chris Paul trade to the Lakers was blocked "for basketball reasons." I guess David Stern was concerned about Kevin Martin's defensive plus-minus.

No, the widely suspected reason that I'm only writing about an imaginary trade instead of a real one is that the league's owners were so irate over the agreed-to deal to send Paul to the Lakers that they implored commissioner David Stern to block it & apparently, because they were so focused on the idea of another shiny object going to the Lakers that they didn't really look at what was happening.
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The real, tangible effect of this is being completely overlooked by people because of an irrational hatred towards the Lakers and the perception that only they ever benefit from deals.
 
Re: Chris Paul is now a Laker . . . FML

Draco said:
So Paul could go to Boston if they renounce Garnett and Ray Allen, or Dallas if they renounce Terry, Marion, Kidd after losing Chandler and Butler now. I don't think either of those rosters would be contenders.

Clippers could be interesting, although they'd be more an exciting young squad with potential then in danger of getting to the finals.

Those three scenarios are a far cry from Paul being part of another superteam Miami style.
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Maybe not, but if you put Dirk on a team with Paul, I could see plenty of guys wanting to go play with them.

That's not even the point, all of those destinations would be better than New Orleans and the Hornets will end up with nothing to show for Paul instead of 3 NBA players that can actually play.
 
they didn't have the leverage then. I guarantee you if 15 of the 29 owners could've nixed that trade, they would've, right or wrong.

The third paragraph is what I'm talking about. ORL dumping Howard for basically nothing to team with K*be and CP3 is what the league/owners are worried about. But they don't have the power to stop that one, because as long as the two owners agree it's a deal (and falls within CBA rules, of course).

In this case, the ownership of NOH doesn't want to make the deal. Sucks for CP3 in this case, unless they can figure out a way to get ownership behind them.
 
Maybe the NBA didn't want to see Chris Paul become a rapist or married to a Kardashian.
 
New Orleans fans are the ones that will truly suffer. And we say we have it bad.
 
magnifier661 said:
Its against the law. Any competent attorney can provide a good case and sue the nba.
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They wouldn't win. The Hornets are a franchise and bound to the rules of their legal contract. Those contracts give a high level of oversight and control to franchising corporation, in this case the NBA.
 
craigehlo said:
They wouldn't win. The Hornets are a franchise and bound to the rules of their legal contract. Those contracts give a high level of oversight and control to franchising corporation, in this case the NBA.
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You're missing the point. Any company in the united states are bound to our constitution. Doesn't matter if there is some contact in the nba that allows for this to happen. You cannot do this. 100% fact and I will bet big dollars for anyone that thinks otherwise.
 
magnifier661 said:
Its against the law. Any competent attorney can provide a good case and sue the nba. It's like having a judge you have a personal relationship with judge your criminal case. Just not constitutional. Trust me, I am a CEO and my contract clearly states I can't have ties with any other business that could compete with theirs.

The nba should have never took the team over and just let them fail. Now hornet fans are fucked. You can bring this up on any deal. Remember this... All deals must be approved by the nba, basically giving the hornets the inside track on any deals. That means they can over bid, under bid, whatever that gives leverage to no.
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The NBA is an inclusive enterprise unto itself. Its teams function as franchise members of a monopolistic cartel that doesn't operate like a widget making company -- they set their own bylaws and rules and punish member franchises when those bylaws are broken. Trades are more like one employee in one department moving to another wing of the building than moving to a true competitor.

Irrespective of the "legality," I think you're completely blinded if you think the Hornets were getting fucked in this deal; Dell Demps was making a move to make them more competitive in a year from now, not less so, and given Paul's knees he was probably about to ship a ticking time bomb off to LA for real assets.
 
magnifier661 said:
You're missing the point. Any company in the united states are bound to our constitution. Doesn't matter if there is some contact in the nba that allows for this to happen. You cannot do this. 100% fact and I will bet big dollars for anyone that thinks otherwise.
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I challenge you to show me one constitutional amendment being broken here. Go on, I'll wait here.
 
magnifier661 said:
You're missing the point. Any company in the united states are bound to our constitution. Doesn't matter if there is some contact in the nba that allows for this to happen. You cannot do this. 100% fact and I will bet big dollars for anyone that thinks otherwise.
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You are bringing the constitution into this? Wow.
 
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