Dame asks for trade (And there it is) (2 Viewers)

[SharpesTriumph]

Lost Hart for nothing?

Murray and Thybulle?

But in terms of winning immediately with Dame we traded him for nothing. If we're grading the improvement needed from what was on last years squad in order to run it back and contend right now I stand by that we lost Hart for effectively nothing.

I'm fine with the Hart trade for rebuilding, yes a pick is likely more valuable. It just has no immediate value to win with Dame as posters are suggesting we could still do right now.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[riverman]

I consider that return to be nothing in the terms of elevating last years roster to be an immediate win now contender with Dame.

him walking for nothing would have been what I consider "nothing" in return ..as it is Thybulle shot the 3 better and is a two time all nba defender...Hart is not. Knox and Murray are both taller and better suited to SF play than Josh...he just wasn't a good fit at the 3 like Norman Powell wasn't. It was the right move even if you don't like all 3 players we got for him

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[SharpesTriumph]

So talks with the Heat have resumed as reported.

At the same time we are considering keeping Dame and maybe adding Ayton? My guess is Nurkic and Ant and whatever filler if needed. Portland does it to get a younger Center not allergic to defense and to free up more guard minutes. Phoenix does it as a 2 for 1 because they potentially get a 6th man or starting PG in Ant as well as a decent if healthy Center in Nurkic.

Your guess isn't possible. Suns can't trade Ayton for Nurkic and Simons unless they send out one of Durant/Beal/Booker. Suns don't have any other contract to trade except Jordan Goodwin at 1.9 million and Toumani Camara at 1.1 million both whom are way too low of salaries to allow them to match Nurkic and Simons for Ayton.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

The problem with Ant and Nurk for Ayton and filler is figuring out the filler. If the Suns are trying to add depth but they have to send out four guys that were going to be in their rotation just to get a legit sixth man and a downgrade at C, I don't really think that makes sense.

Because the Suns are over the second apron they can't take on $1 of additional salary in a trade.

Correct

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Fuck them, just trade Dame elsewhere.

 

[Natebishop3]

This is what we have figured for months. I suspect that if Miami had put all their chips into the middle, the trade would be done, but they're trying to lowball.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Shocking

 

[Mediocre Man]

Shocking

But how would I know any of this

 

[blazerkor]

Send us Barnes, send us Dick, send us Koloko, an expiring contract and send Gary to the Nets with the Nets sending us a future first. That's not fair value for Dame but it's a helluva lot of potential value.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

This is what we have figured for months. I suspect that if Miami had put all their chips into the middle, the trade would be done, but they're trying to lowball.

We kind of heard similar discussions with Utah and NY last year until abruptly Mitchell was sent to Cleveland.

If Toronto is throwing Scottie Barnes out there I might prefer that regardless of anything the Heat even have available to offer;

I'd actually move Trent to a 4th team as I don't think he wants to come back here but for the major pieces this trade makes some sense for all 3 teams.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Send us Barnes, send us Dick, send us Koloko, an expiring contract and send Gary to the Nets with the Nets sending us a future first. That's not fair value for Dame but it's a helluva lot of potential value.
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Trent is not worth a 1st. If Joe can get more than Barnes from Toronto then good for him, I'd do the deal without Dick.

 

[blazerkor]

Trent is not worth a 1st. If Joe can get more than Barnes from Toronto then good for him, I'd do the deal without Dick.

Yeah, if we're keeping Gary adding Ayton and Barnes for Dame and Nurk, that's better value than I think we could get from any deal with the Heat, it's still just far from equal value, which is why I would want Dick or picks but not dick pics.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Ayton - Reath - Walker
Grant - NAS - Murray
Barnes - Thybulle - Rupert
Ant - Sharpe
Scoot

Probably the best hypothetical of a next season rotation I've seen for any post Dame trade roster.

I love the upside of holding every lottery chance the Heat have from 2027-2030. But this lineup is way more exciting for right now as well as a couple years as these guys enter their primes.

 

[inconceivable]

Let other teams make us an offer we can't refuse. What exactly is Joe's incentive to make.l this his problem? It's not like he's trying to win anytime soon. No good offer, Dame stays. At some point, teams will make a real offer. Trading for Dame means you're in the cusp of a ring and there will be teams who will be in that position. F Miami

 

[Labinot41]

If Dame being on podcasts ANNOYS you, you need to find yourself some hobbies, or a job!

I go to college big dawg, no time for job or hobbys

 

[blazerfan11]

Let other teams make us an offer we can't refuse. What exactly is Joe's incentive to make.l this his problem? It's not like he's trying to win anytime soon. No good offer, Dame stays. At some point, teams will make a real offer. Trading for Dame means you're in the cusp of a ring and there will be teams who will be in that position. F Miami

There are some people saying that Cronin is supposed to tell Miami (or other teams) exactly what he wants so the deal can get done.
That's stupid.

 

[blazerkor]

I go to college big dawg, no time for job or hobbys

Dude if your in a competitive grad program I believe it but if your taking 15 credits that's like five hours of work five days a week (including homework).

 

[SharpesTriumph]

There are some people saying that Cronin is supposed to tell Miami (or other teams) exactly what he wants so the deal can get done.
That's stupid.

Agreed. There is no reason for Cronin to put a limit on what the Blazers will settle for - then have that negotiated down even further.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Dude if your in a competitive grad program I believe it but if your taking 15 credits that's like five hours of work five days a week (including homework).

Are you forgetting the binge drinking and hangovers? Takes up at least 25-30 hours a week. Plus all the many hours of procrastinating to study, and then the few hours of actual studying. Its probably over a 90 hour per week job.

 

[inconceivable]

There are some people saying that Cronin is supposed to tell Miami (or other teams) exactly what he wants so the deal can get done.
That's stupid.

Naming your price is poor negotiating tactic. Listening to offers and rejecting offers is what Joe needs to be doing, unless of course the offer is no-brainer

 

[blazerkor]

There are some people saying that Cronin is supposed to tell Miami (or other teams) exactly what he wants so the deal can get done.
That's stupid.

I would tell the Heat that they have to get access to their 2024 pick, send that, 2028 and 2030, swaps in 2027 and 2029 all unprotected, Herro, Martin, Jaquez, Jovic and Lowry for Dame and Nurk. We can find the third and/or fourth team(s) if the Heat meet those demands.

I don't understand why we shouldn't open up negotiations. Also if someone makes an offer that is obviously lowball, it's fine for us to give them our demands. We're ready to go into the regular season with Dame so we don't have to take anything less than what we want, as long as that is realistic.

 

[blazerkor]

Naming your price is poor negotiating tactic. Listening to offers and rejecting offers is what Joe needs to be doing, unless of course the offer is no-brainer

I don't think the "Nope" and then just silence thing really works. I hope we're communicating a little more openly than that as far as what it's going to take for us to move Dame.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Ayton - Reath - Walker
Grant - NAS - Murray
Barnes - Thybulle - Rupert
Ant - Sharpe
Scoot

Probably the best hypothetical of a next season rotation I've seen for any post Dame trade roster.

I love the upside of holding every lottery chance the Heat have from 2027-2030. But this lineup is way more exciting for right now as well as a couple years as these guys enter their primes.

1. Please stop starting Ant over Sharpe

2. I know nothing, but Barnes probably isn’t coming,

 

[SharpesTriumph]

2. I know nothing, but Barnes probably isn’t coming,

;(((((

 

[blazerfan11]

I don't think the "Nope" and then just silence thing really works. I hope we're communicating a little more openly than that as far as what it's going to take for us to move Dame.

It looks like Cronin has told Miami that he wants all their assets and the silence is from Miami.
The silence from Miami means other teams will be making offers which I am sure Joe is listening to.

 

[Hoopguru]

To me the Nets would be able to make an acceptable offer for Dame. They have young players and picks.
All they need is a legit, top ten player, pg, that has 4-6 years left of super star play, and they are in the mix to contend.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Hope were not targeting OG or Pascal - they made sense with Dame but make no sense without him.

 

[blazerkor]

To me the Nets would be able to make an acceptable offer for Dame. They have young players and picks.
All they need is a legit, top ten player, pg, that has 4-6 years left of super star play, and they are in the mix to contend.