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MickZagger said:
Yes.

Not sure there’s too many women out there that value the dollar.
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Why would you say that?
Women only make about .82 cents for every $1 a man makes, so it would reason that women value the dollar a whole hell of a lot more than men do.
 
if you go by tweets and rumors, the momentum of Oregon--->Big-10 has taken a big dive today
 
Tomorrow morning at 9AM Oregon’s top QB target Dante Moore announces… predictions are Ducky!

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STOMP said:
Tomorrow morning at 9AM Oregon’s top QB target Dante Moore announces… predictions are Ducky!

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I'm certainly not counting that chicken yet

it's a huge if but there are rumors if Moore commits to the Ducks, the #1 RB in the nation, Richard Young may soon commit too
 
wizenheimer said:
I'm certainly not counting that chicken yet

it's a huge if but there are rumors if Moore commits to the Ducks, the #1 RB in the nation, Richard Young may soon commit too
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I don't count any chickens until they sign, but even thats proven to be non-binding. Regardless, plenty of others have no issues with their projections and Oregon is trending heavily for some good news tomorrow so likely someone from Moore's camp spilled the beans about his intentions. Yes he and Young are buddies (I posted a video of them on their June visit), but am told Oregon is still likely to be on the outside looking in for Richard's commitment. Moore verbaling would seem to only help, but I think other factors likely weigh much heavier for most recruits then where their friends decide to go.

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STOMP said:
I don't count any chickens until they sign, but even thats proven to be non-binding. Regardless, plenty of others have no issues with their projections and Oregon is trending heavily for some good news tomorrow so likely someone from Moore's camp spilled the beans about his intentions. Yes he and Young are buddies (I posted a video of them on their June visit), but am told Oregon is still likely to be on the outside looking in for Richard's commitment. Moore verbaling would seem to only help, but I think other factors likely weigh much heavier for most recruits then where their friends decide to go.

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probably...the Young commitment seems a contest between Oregon and Alabama, and the Tide don't lose many of those for a southern kid

I can dream though and after the re-alignment nightmare of the last week I need a sweet dream
 
STOMP said:
Fify

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The Pac 12 killed itself.

Everyone knew the future of college sports is bigger conferences and bigger TV contracts. Also, the Pac 12 is a far more recognizable name/brand than the Big 10 & Big 12. Wow, they each got Big in their name, lol. The Pac 12 has the iconic Rose Bowl. Instead of the Pac 12 being a leader in the creation of super leagues they instead settled for Colorado and Utah and called it a day. Nothing against those two teams but did they do anything to enhance an already well-known national brand?
 
wizenheimer said:
I can dream though and after the re-alignment nightmare of the last week I need a sweet dream
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How about... the team with the vast majority of both of it's Lines returning beats the heavily favored home team it's entire front 7 off to the NFL? How sweet/ironic would it be if Oregon went on a run next season?

While I think it's sad that the conference is basically dead in the water as far as competing for championships in football especially after 2024, I'm not worried about my Alma mater. Pretty sure they'll figure out a path forward as they've many factors in their favor and regardless of what happens I'll continue to blow out my voice by halftime.

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SlyPokerDog said:
The Pac 12 killed itself.

Everyone knew the future of college sports is bigger conferences and bigger TV contracts. Also, the Pac 12 is a far more recognizable name/brand than the Big 10 & Big 12. Wow, they each got Big in their name, lol. The Pac 12 has the iconic Rose Bowl. Instead of the Pac 12 being a leader in the creation of super leagues they instead settled for Colorado and Utah and called it a day. Nothing against those two teams but did they do anything to enhance an already well-known national brand?
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You could have just said Larry Scott and dropped the mike. That said, not surprised it was FOX that unsheathed the actual killing blade

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btw, with Moore's 12PM EST/9AM PST announcement looming tomorrow morning, Ducks new QB coach/OC Kenny Dillingham posted a poll on Twitter...



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You could have just said Larry Scott and dropped the mike

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If Kliavkoff really didn't have a clue that USC and UCLA were in talks to leave then he's not much better.

You ask a national audience of college sports fans to name two teams in the Pac 12 and I promise you UCLA and USC easily win the poll with Oregon coming in 3rd. To have the 2 biggest name recognition programs leave your conference falls on the guy currently sitting in the big chair.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
If Kliavkoff really didn't have a clue that USC and UCLA were in talks to leave then he's not much better.
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He had to have his fingers crossed when 2 months ago the USC President assured him they weren't leaving the conference, but really what else could he have done? Assume he's being lied to and preemptively offer them an inordinate slice of the PAC 12 TV money pie? They'd have had to give them the entire pie to equal what they got. As you previously stated..."Everyone knew the future of college sports is bigger conferences and bigger TV contracts"... well, Larry Scott owns the spilled milk on the floor that is the disastrous Pac 12 network. It's been ridiculously hard for fans of Pac-12 football let alone general college football fans, to see the games that weren't network featured games of the week for the last 10 years. Larry trying to control everything resulted in difficult & expensive access to the product & predictably disinterest from the fickle public.

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SlyPokerDog said:
The Pac 12 killed itself.

Everyone knew the future of college sports is bigger conferences and bigger TV contracts. Also, the Pac 12 is a far more recognizable name/brand than the Big 10 & Big 12. Wow, they each got Big in their name, lol. The Pac 12 has the iconic Rose Bowl. Instead of the Pac 12 being a leader in the creation of super leagues they instead settled for Colorado and Utah and called it a day. Nothing against those two teams but did they do anything to enhance an already well-known national brand?
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I can't believe the Pac 12 didn't grab Texas and Oklahoma if they had the chance... what an absolute CF.
 
STOMP said:
He had to have his fingers crossed when 2 months ago the USC President assured him they weren't leaving the conference, but really what else could he have done? Assume he's being lied to and preemptively offer them an inordinate slice of the PAC 12 TV money pie? They'd have had to give them the entire pie to equal what they got. As you previously stated..."Everyone knew the future of college sports is bigger conferences and bigger TV contracts"... well, Larry Scott owns the spilled milk on the floor that is the disastrous Pac 12 network. It's been ridiculously hard for fans of Pac-12 football let alone general college football fans, to see the games that weren't network featured games of the week for the last 10 years. Larry trying to control everything resulted in difficult & expensive access to the product & predictably disinterest from the fickle public.

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Teams, players, and businesses break contracts all the time. Even if the reason for breaking it is bullshit, the new Commish should have broken it or threatened to break it. Breaking it only helps the teams he was hired to help.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Teams, players, and businesses break contracts all the time. Even if the reason for breaking it is bullshit, the new Commish should have broken it or threatened to break it. Breaking it only helps the teams he was hired to help.
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What contract? The TV one? The damage done had already been baked into it. That damage was letting the interest of the general fan of sports wane in regards to Pac 12 football. If Scott had made the product accessible, interest in the conference would have likely grown just like it has across the rest of the country. An engaged fanbase = longterm more money for everyone.

While both Commishes are culpable for where we are today, Larry is far more responsible for wasting the day when opportunity knocked.

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What contract? The TV one? The damage done had already been baked into it. That damage was letting the interest of the general fan of sports wane in regards to Pac 12 football. If Scott had made the product accessible, interest in the conference would have likely grown just like it has across the rest of the country.

While both Commishes are culpable for where we are today, Larry is far more responsible.

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Those Pac-12 after Dark games were one of the worst things to happen to the conference, and that was Scott
 
SlyPokerDog said:
That was one of the few things they got right. No competition on the east coast. It was the 9am starts that were dumb.
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well yeah...there are not too many games on at 2:30AM on the east coast

what those games did do is reduce attendance; even for Oregon. And attendance numbers are part of a program's valuation
 
SlyPokerDog said:
That was one of the few things they got right. No competition on the east coast. It was the 9am starts that were dumb.
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Not the, not on TV at all unless you subscribed to right provider that wasn't available everywhere aspect? I know many Duck fans who were really frustrated about this during Larry's tenure when of course Oregon was generally really good. Fans of also ran teams quickly grew board of struggling to watch their rooting interest and found something else. I live in the Bay Area and rarely ever run into someone who's really into Cal or Stanford sports... I often end up telling grads of those schools how their team is doing. It's just not a thing.

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Not the, not on TV at all unless you subscribed to right provider that wasn't available everywhere aspect? I know many Duck fans who were really frustrated about this during Larry's tenure when of course Oregon was generally really good. Fans of also ran teams quickly grew board of struggling to watch their rooting interest and found something else. I live in the Bay Area and rarely ever run into someone who's really into Cal or Stanford sports... I often end up telling grads of those schools how their team is doing. It's just not a thing.

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Yes, access to games on TV was a huge problem no matter the time of the game. But a night start is something that should continue under a new TV contract.
 
Yeah I’ve been told by family in the Midwest that those after dark games were a big hit with people out that way because they could get quality football late at night. They love it
 
MickZagger said:
I actually heard they got pretty good ratings. Even on the east coast. People up late drunk and wanting to watch some decent football.
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I liked the late games. I'd get home from the evening dinner rush just in time for some football.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Yes, access to games on TV was a huge problem no matter the time of the game. But a night start is something that should continue under a new TV contract.
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Streaming needs to get easier for our favorite teams. There seems to be no one stop streaming that is decently priced. By the time you get streaming options for your favorite BBall team & College football team, you might as well get a cable sports package. They end up being about the same. I have sling now, which is mediocre, and i will switch to Fubo come Blazer season because slinger didn't have it. It's like one big game of switcheroo.
 
tykendo said:
Streaming needs to get easier for our favorite teams. There seems to be no one stop streaming that is decently priced. By the time you get streaming options for your favorite BBall team & College football team, you might as well get a cable sports package. They end up being about the same. I have sling now, which is mediocre, and i will switch to Fubo come Blazer season because slinger didn't have it. It's like one big game of switcheroo.
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Yup. Obviously there are some fans like us who will jump through whatever hoops necessary to be able to watch, but thats not how you grow a fanbase.

The most profitable American band of all time was the Grateful Dead. While they didn't have hits that topped the charts & the lead singer wasn't a heart throb, they allowed fans to tape their live shows for free and then those tapes were traded freely among fans. Largely because of this easy access to the product, music fans became Deadheads buying everything the band sold with some following them from show to show around the country. People bonded over a shared interest/experience which created a culture that even casual fans wanted to take some part of.

Clearly Larry Scott wasn't a Deadhead.

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Yup. Obviously there are some fans like us who will jump through whatever hoops necessary to be able to watch, but thats not how you grow a fanbase.

The most profitable American band of all time was the Grateful Dead. While they didn't have hits that topped the charts & the lead singer wasn't a heart throb, they allowed fans to tape their live shows for free and then those tapes were traded freely among fans. Largely because of this easy access to the product, music fans became Deadheads buying everything the band sold with some following them from show to show around the country. People bonded over a shared interest/experience which created a culture that even casual fans wanted to take some part of.

Clearly Larry Scott wasn't a Deadhead.

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This has always been my argument regarding access to Blazer games. I always felt that local interest in the team was greater when the games were available to everyone. Obviously I've never seen the team's financial statements, so I could be way off on the financial value of a higher-cost restricted TV deal, but it just seems counter-productive to limit your audience.
 
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