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wizenheimer said:
more of a testament to what having a good receiving corps can do for a QB.

if he would have had been throwing to guys like Keenan Allen and Mike Williams at Oregon, he would have been in the Heisman conversation
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I'm running I can't hear you.
 
Strenuus said:
It's the winter, gotta keep warm somehow.
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It's funny because the number of people who hate Mario has grown in leaps and bounds since he bailed. Not sure how many people would have argued with you a year ago.
 
wizenheimer said:
relax....I wasn't comparing the skills of Herbert and Mahomes. I was simply pointing out that Mahomes didn't have numbers in his first season so was not competitive with Herbert in the 'first-2-seasons' stats
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I was agreeing with you and providing evidence to back your point that PM... "had a much better team around him." I made no reference to the skills of Herbert or Mahomes. I will continue to be relaxed and suggest that you might mix in some decaf or at least read whats been written before responding.

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STOMP said:
FIFY. I'm not saying the coaching was top shelf, but much was made at the time about the high rate of drops and that was on top of the WRs/TEs not being especially big or fast.

STOMP
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I literally was making a joke because I have no idea about all of it.

College football is a fucking joke so there's that too. And it's not even about the sport that makes it a joke. :)
 
I didn't hate Cristobal I was just unimpressed. I'm excited to go a new direction and see what happens.
 
What I want to know is how many recruits did they lose with the coaching change?
 
*Strenuus-I'd deleted the post you quoted when I realized others had made the same point I did about Oregon's mediocre to poor WRs/TEs

But I'm curious, why is college football any more of a joke then any other sport?

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I enjoy both college and pro football.
What Im losing interest in is MLB. If they limited teams too, 1 middle reliever & 1 closer, and kept the game at 2 hours max, and added some family marketing, the game may stand a chance to be viable in 5 years. Otherwise I dont think it looks good for MLB down the road. Soccer will surpass it. Demographics are not favorable too MLB, will younger fans and families lose interest as time goes on?
 
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BBert said:
I didn't hate Cristobal I was just unimpressed. I'm excited to go a new direction and see what happens.
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I didn't hate CMC, I appreciated the accomplishments and the progress he seemed to be making while noting issues with in game management and style of play. I absolutely did hate that he constantly preached family/loyalty only to bolt mid-season before the first class he recruited as HC even graduated. That me-first hypocrisy negated most of whatever positives I felt for him.

STOMP
 
BBert said:
What I want to know is how many recruits did they lose with the coaching change?
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Probably 10ish. Most their top recruits. Would've been near a top 10 class had he stayed.

Lanning is appearing to do a decent job salvaging the class given that he hasn't been able to recruit full time for Oregon until this week and given Oregon's limited scholarships.
 
Tince said:
Probably 10ish. Most their top recruits. Would've been near a top 10 class had he stayed.

Lanning is appearing to do a decent job salvaging the class given that he hasn't been able to recruit full time for Oregon until this week and given Oregon's limited scholarships.
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Well fuck
 
I thought Mario was great! He's the first one who understood just how great of a racecar Uncle Phil had built for the Ducks.

Now hopefully we have a young talented driver to take us past the checkered flag.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I thought Mario was great! He's the first one who understood just how great of a racecar Uncle Phil had built for the Ducks.

Now hopefully we have a young talented driver to take us past the checkered flag.
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Now Stomp will chastize me for mixing car racing with football, lol.
 
BBert said:
What I want to know is how many recruits did they lose with the coaching change?
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Kelvin Banks OL (5-star 15th rated recruit in nation)
Tetairoa McMillan WR (4-star 46th rated recruit)
Dave Iuli OL/DL 4-star
TJ Dudley LB 4-star
Tanner Bailey 4-star QB
Emar'ion Winston 3-star LB
Cameron Williams 3-star OL
Landon Hullaby Safety 3-star
Andre Dollar TE 3-star
Stephon Johnson WR 3-star

all the above were verbally committed and de-committed after the coaching change. No chance to get any back except for maybe Iuli

Jahlil Florence CB 4-star
Trejon Williams Safety 4-star
Gracen Halton DL 4-star

those 3 de-committed but the Ducks have a good chance of getting the first two to come back. Maybe a decent chance at Halton

the Duck have picked up Bo Nix (QB), Sam Taimani (DL), and Christian Gonzalez (CB) from the transfer Portland

and they have a shot at signing:

Josh Conerly (5-star OL rated 23rd best player in the nation)
Christen Miller (4-star DL) (visiting UofO this weekend)
Jordan James (3-star RB) (visiting UofO this weekend)

there's also some buzz about a 4 star RB, and a 4-star athlete. Also a couple of Georgia DB's who have entered the transfer portal
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I thought Mario was great! He's the first one who understood just how great of a racecar Uncle Phil had built for the Ducks.

Now hopefully we have a young talented driver to take us past the checkered flag.
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I don’t think he understood the race car. Chip Kelly did.

If he knew he had a nice shiny Ferrari in the garage why did he insist his team drive like they were in a rusty Corolla.

I liked Cristobal’s chops as a recruiter and I love building the foundation in the trenches. But even meat and potatoes coaches like Saban understand you gotta be a little more innovative and let the reigns down on offense.

That iteration of the RPO was about as week as it gets and to hamper the future of the program with a 28 year old quarterback who made just as many mistakes and missed just as many throws as a freshman is just asinine to me.
 
MickZagger said:
I don’t think he understood the race car. Chip Kelly did.

If he knew he had a nice shiny Ferrari in the garage why did he insist his team drive like they were in a rusty Corolla.

I liked Cristobal’s chops as a recruiter and I love building the foundation in the trenches. But even meat and potatoes coaches like Saban understand you gotta be a little more innovative and let the reigns down on offense.

That iteration of the RPO was about as week as it gets and to hamper the future of the program with a 28 year old quarterback who made just as many mistakes and missed just as many throws as a freshman is just asinine to me.
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The racecar in my analogy are the facilities. Mario used what Oregon has to get top recruits. Chip recruits like shit.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
The racecar in my analogy are the facilities. Mario used what Oregon has to get top recruits. Chip recruits like shit.
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i agree Chip recruits like shit.

I was always the biggest Mario apologist because he was getting the guys here. But he didn’t know what to do with the talent when they got here.

Chip knew what to do with the Ferrari he inherited. He took it out for a spin
 
MickZagger said:
i agree Chip recruits like shit.

I was always the biggest Mario apologist because he was getting the guys here. But he didn’t know what to do with the talent when they got here.

Chip knew what to do with the Ferrari he inherited. He took it out for a spin
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Chip was a sham. He had a gimmick offense that worked because the game hadn't adjusted yet, but now that gimmick sucks and he isn't good.

The blur offense was amazing for a few seasons because defenses simply weren't physically prepared to keep up with the tempo. Chip helped change the game, but once his flash in the pan offense stopped working, he stopped being a good coach. I will say this though, the guy had balls. I loved the attitude that he brought. He had the right mindset to win a natty. The ego. The best coaches all have a little bit of ego. Leaders of men. I never got that vibe from Cristobal, and I definitely never got it from Mark Helfrich.
 
MickZagger said:
I don’t think he understood the race car. Chip Kelly did.

If he knew he had a nice shiny Ferrari in the garage why did he insist his team drive like they were in a rusty Corolla
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Remember the Cal game this year? A lot was made about fans boo-ing and it was said in the media that it was directed at Anthony Brown. While there definitely was frustration within the fanbase this past season with Brown's overall passing ability, the boo-ing was happening when they came up short running it up the gut on 3rd down.

I'm all for establishing an identity on offense and can get behind a power running game attack, but a good coach has to occasionally change things up to keep the D honest. Every single year under Mario through one OC after another, the fans, announcers & players knew what would be called on 3rd or 4th and short. Always doing the same thing lessens it's effectiveness because it's so predictable, & predictable is boring.

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Natebishop3 said:
Chip was a sham. He had a gimmick offense that worked because the game hadn't adjusted yet, but now that gimmick sucks and he isn't good.
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Curious how sham Chip with his gimmick offense finished 1st (or near the top) of every single offensive category in the Pac 12 this past season including 1st in points scored. Maybe thats in part why he just signed a massive extension?

https://stats.pac-12.com/sports/fball/2021-22/teams?sort=ppg&r=0&pos=sco

In an opinion shared by many college football observers, I'd point to Chip's obvious shortcoming being that he doesn't like to recruit. Now that UCLA admin has forced out his longtime DC Jerry Azzinaro, I'd suspect they bring in someone who does. The SoCal area continues to pump out top prospects, if UCLA starts landing their fare share things could get very interesting down South.

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After beating #2 UCLA last night, Ducks are aiming at #5 USC tonight. USC has good shooters, the Mobley guy, tough D and 7 guys 6'9" or taller, but Ducks are up by 16 at half. Dante and Kepnang playing tough defense in the middle and Richardson hot from the three. I'm sure they can't keep up the good shooting so this will probably go down to the wire.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
After beating #2 UCLA last night, Ducks are aiming at #5 USC tonight. USC has good shooters, the Mobley guy, tough D and 7 guys 6'9" or taller, but Ducks are up by 16 at half. Dante and Kepnang playing tough defense in the middle and Richardson hot from the three. I'm sure they can't keep up the good shooting so this will probably go down to the wire.
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Gotta hold these last 3 min. When’s the last time an unranked team beat 2 top 5 teams in the same week?
 
Ducks win 79-69; that is as close as SC got in the second half. I think Richardson made the only baskets for Ducks in the last two minutes, a three and a drive to the basket. He also stole the ball in that time period.
 
Eric Williams much better tonight than Thursday. Thursday I think he took sixteen shots, most of them ill-advised. Tonight just six shots and made half. He has a little more length than most Ducks so he was good on D tonight.
 
Cristobal SUCKS as a coach.
Great recruiter though.
Glad he’s gone.
 
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