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Tince said:
Interesting... is the a significant difference in his production during those 14 minutes vs the minutes without him?

Does Ant's productivity go up or down?
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I broke this down already in stats and what not when both played and without the other and etc a couple months ago, Ant didn't affect Scoot or Sharpe last year at all.

If you want to put the blame on anything, it might be pointed towards Billups. Scoot could be starting and move Ant to the SG and bench either Camara or Deni, and I would prefer Deni and let him run the second unit as a playmaker point forward.

If Scoot was starting and getting more mins with the ball in his hands more and Billups played Ant more off ball, I think you will see a more relaxed approach to his game imo.
 
sheed30 said:
I broke this down already in stats and what not when both played and without the other and etc a couple months ago, Ant didn't affect Scoot or Sharpe last year at all.

If you want to put the blame on anything, it might be pointed towards Billups. Scoot could be starting and move Ant to the SG and bench either Camara or Deni, and I would prefer Deni and let him run the second unit as a playmaker point forward.

If Scoot was starting and getting more mins with the ball in his hands more and Billups played Ant more off ball, I think you will see a more relaxed approach to his game imo.
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I would never bench Camara to play either Scoot or Ant.
 
sheed30 said:
I broke this down already in stats and what not when both played and without the other and etc a couple months ago, Ant didn't affect Scoot or Sharpe last year at all.
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I don't know how you "broke it down" statistically, but last season, the worst 2 man combo the Blazers had was Simons/Scoot:

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that failing showed up in the 3 man combos too:

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they were generally a disaster when they played with each other

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Sharpe didn't play enough last season to register in the 20-most used combos bbref tracks. he did play enough in 2022-23 and the Sharpe/Ant pairing was the 4th worst:

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notice how the Dame/Sharpe combo was the 2nd best, much better than Dame/Simons. I won't post a screenshot of the 3-man combos that season but the Eubanks/Sharpe/Simons trio was by far the worst

obviously the numbers are impacted by rotations. Starters are generally going to show better; backups generally worse. It's hard to know who shared the floor with the pairs and trios when those numbers were compiled
 
sheed30 said:
I broke this down already in stats and what not when both played and without the other and etc a couple months ago, Ant didn't affect Scoot or Sharpe last year at all.

If you want to put the blame on anything, it might be pointed towards Billups. Scoot could be starting and move Ant to the SG and bench either Camara or Deni, and I would prefer Deni and let him run the second unit as a playmaker point forward.

If Scoot was starting and getting more mins with the ball in his hands more and Billups played Ant more off ball, I think you will see a more relaxed approach to his game imo.
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If true (not saying it isn't), the results don't surprise me.

Playing Scoot against second unit guys feels like the right move to give him a chance to succeed.
 
wizenheimer said:
I don't know how you "broke it down" statistically, but last season, the worst 2 man combo the Blazers had was Simons/Scoot:

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that failing showed up in the 3 man combos too:

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they were generally a disaster when they played with each other

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Sharpe didn't play enough last season to register in the 20-most used combos bbref tracks. he did play enough in 2022-23 and the Sharpe/Ant pairing was the 4th worst:

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notice how the Dame/Sharpe combo was the 2nd best, much better than Dame/Simons. I won't post a screenshot of the 3-man combos that season but the Eubanks/Sharpe/Simons trio was by far the worst

obviously the numbers are impacted by rotations. Starters are generally going to show better; backups generally worse. It's hard to know who shared the floor with the pairs and trios when those numbers were compiled
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First of all, this is another time where you pull out some dumbass stats no one has heard of to try to drive home a point. Who TF looks at 2 man combos, as you even said yourself it depends on who was in the rotation with them.

Also, notice Scoot is in the bottom 4 out of 5 combo's on that list, while Ant is in the bottom 10 only twice? So what that actually means, is it's more on how bad Scoot has played last season DESPITE who was on the floor with him, lol good try but you actually made no sense.

Why not look at actually stats played with each other last year vs without them like I broke down before in past threads if you want to dig it up, I already wasted time going back an forth with a clown here many times. Scoot stats were a little better when playing WITH Ant, while Sharpe was the same playing with or without Ant, What does that mean, that Ant doesn't affect them stats wise at all with or without him.

Another thing is Sharple played only 13 games with Ant last season, and only 37 games with Ant and Scoot together. Scoot has his worse stretch of last season WITHOUT Ant.

In conclusion, you're little silly combo stats are garbage
 
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sheed30 said:
First of all, this is another time where you pull out some dumbass stats no one has heard of to try to drive home a point. Who TF looks at 2 man combos, as you even said yourself it depends on who was in the rotation with them.

Also, notice Scoot is in the bottom 4 out of 5 combo's on that list, while Ant is in the bottom 10 only twice? So what that actually means, is it's more on how bad Scoot has played last season DESPITE who was on the floor with him, lol good try but you actually made no sense.

Why not look at actually stats played with each other last year vs without them like I broke down before in past threads if you want to dig it up, I already wasted time going back an forth with a clown here many times. Scoot stats were a little better when playing WITH Ant, while Sharpe was the same playing with or without Ant, What does that mean, that Ant doesn't affect them stats wise at all with or without him.

Another thing is Sharple played only 13 games with Ant last season, and only 37 games with Ant and Scoot together. Scoot has his worse stretch of last season WITHOUT Ant.

In conclusion, you're little silly combo stats are garbage
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Lol.
 
Scoot's play is reminiscent of mood swings. He shows in flashes that he can be a great finisher and fairly pure shooter, but then he air balls a layup or badly clangs several jumpers in a row, or throws the laziest of passes. I think it all comes down to focus. Billups has to figure out how to get Scoot to stay in attack mode while running the offense in controlled fashion, so he doesn't continue having those careless stretches.
 
handiman said:
Scoot's play is reminiscent of mood swings. He shows in flashes that he can be a great finisher and fairly pure shooter, but then he air balls a layup or badly clangs several jumpers in a row, or throws the laziest of passes. I think it all comes down to focus. Billups has to figure out how to get Scoot to stay in attack mode while running the offense in controlled fashion, so he doesn't continue having those careless stretches.
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It's almost like he's a very young and inexperienced player learning a very important and difficult position at the highest level in the world...
 
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sheed30 said:
First of all, this is another time where you pull out some dumbass stats no one has heard of to try to drive home a point.
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YOU are the one that claimed to 'have broken down the stats' on when Scoot and Simons played together

you said:

sheed30 said:
I broke this down already in stats and what not when both played and without the other and etc a couple months ago, Ant didn't affect Scoot or Sharpe last year at all.
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so then, instead of doing logical backflips and tossing out pointless insults trying to dismiss the stats I posted...why don't you simply show the stats you claim to have "broke down". Or direct me to the post you imply where you showed those numbers. I must have missed them. Maybe I didn't miss the "what not" though

what we do know is the best sustained stretch of BB Scoot has played was the dozen games or so at the end of last season when Simons sat out

by the way, in the post you felt the need to attack, I specifically said:

"obviously the numbers are impacted by rotations. Starters are generally going to show better; backups generally worse. It's hard to know who shared the floor with the pairs and trios when those numbers were compiled"

it's not surprising at all that two smallish ball-dominant guards don't develop good synergy, at least not for a few seasons, if ever
 
wizenheimer said:
YOU are the one that claimed to 'have broken down the stats' on when Scoot and Simons played together

you said:



so then, instead of doing logical backflips and tossing out pointless insults trying to dismiss the stats I posted...why don't you simply show the stats you claim to have "broke down". Or direct me to the post you imply where you showed those numbers. I must have missed them. Maybe I didn't miss the "what not" though

what we do know is the best sustained stretch of BB Scoot has played was the dozen games or so at the end of last season when Simons sat out

by the way, in the post you felt the need to attack, I specifically said:

"obviously the numbers are impacted by rotations. Starters are generally going to show better; backups generally worse. It's hard to know who shared the floor with the pairs and trios when those numbers were compiled"

it's not surprising at all that two smallish ball-dominant guards don't develop good synergy, at least not for a few seasons, if ever
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Did you not see the countless threads of Ant and Grant need to go or that thought injected into other threads that nothing to do with either of them spilled all over during the offseason by mainly one guy and a few others? I and others spent enough time posting stats to back it up while others repeated the same thing over and over. It got old fast, for many here. It's in my past posts if you want to dig it up like I said.

I summed it up by saying, if you read above, that Scoot stats were better with Ant last year, and Sharpe's was the same with or without Ant. Shooting numbers were almost identical for Sharpe with or without Ant.

You didn't address how Scoot was in the top 4 out of 5 combos on that list, and Ant was only in the bottom 10 twice...that has more to do with Scoot playing so bad DESPITE who he was on the floor with in any combo.

I attacked your silly "combo" stats, sorry that bothers you.
 
sheed30 said:
I summed it up by saying, if you read above, that Scoot stats were better with Ant last year.
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I know what you're claiming...that Scoot's stats were "better with Ant". Based upon what?
 
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