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Trump has motivated and mobilized these young Republicans.
 
Here’s the obvious and grotesque response from republicans to Betos’ remarks here. I’d rather just get in front of it: “beto devised this attack in El Paso as a false flag to frame him as a hero of his home town”

When in reality.....


 
Hmm, weird, I've actually been to that Wal-Mart.

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He is, as usual, slanting facts. Yes, it's more likely that someone killed by a gun was killed in a gang related incident. However, those don't happen in large #'s, so instead the m.o., is to just purposely confuse the issue/numbers.

He knows that an accepted definition of "mass shooting/killing" is 3 people. So yes, he is implying that it's more likely that a shooting of 3 people will be "gang bangers" instead of the examples that are fresher in peoples minds.

It's a way of double speak.

Just the opposite. I stated cold, hard facts.

Double speak is deliberately using inappropriate/inaccurate words to confuse the listener and misdirect the issue, as in calling a MURDER (a heinous crime) a SHOOTING (a completely legal and safe firing of a firearm, a Constitutionally Guaranteed right for all American citizens) in order to slander the majority of law-abiding Americans and further an attack on America by disarming the masses.

Another form of double speak/deception is the term mass murder, as if it is somehow worse than the same amount of people murdered individually by multiple murderers.

Murder is murder, but the fact is the vast majority of murders are singular, with one victim. That is the scourge we should be addressing, as that would save the most lives. Was the cowardly murderer at Vegas any worse of a person than some banger who killed another banger over some crack? No. They are equally evil, although the former is a rarity beyond measurement while the latter happens daily, even hourly and accounts for thousands of deaths. Those are large numbers.
 
My heart goes out to the families of the fallen. Really hate seeing this stuff so often. It’s such a catch 22 though, there’s no right answer to fixing this.

All we can do is raise more mental health awareness, increase security on large gathering areas, more expansive background checks, I’m definitely not in the party of banning weapons as I will not part with my overall right as an American. However, I do think there needs to be better ways to vet the sales of said weapons.
 
This is exactly the time.

It's another wave of Deep State lies and mind control coming and we've got the usual TDS trolls serving as their minions. Every bit of nonsense about disarming citizens and blaming the POTUS for bad people who were bad long before he was elected is intentionally preventing any progress toward reducing murder, which thankfully has declined drastically (60%ish) since I was young and actually rarely heard abut it. It did spike badly during Obama's last 2 years in office but declined again after that.

Sadly, no such decline in suicide has happened and in fact over 30,000 of these "gun violence" figures Beto and Dems are spouting again today were suicides. Unfortunately my son's closest friend was one of them. After decades of finding no help wherever he turned, the pain was too much. I blame the government, all of it. 47,173 Americans committed suicide in 2017. Tenth on the cause of death list.

A few responses:

Chris Craig - All recent mass murderers share common threads which are irrational hatred and blind acceptance of mass media misinformation. Something you display in every political thread. If I had to pick the most likely poster here to kill a mass of strangers just from what they post, it would definitely be you. You seem to think the same of me. We have met in person and I'll bet we both have a milder opinion of each other as face to face human beings. Let's have a beer sometime.

Julius - I enjoy your thoughtful posts and your restraint in not trolling people who troll you. There are 4 or 5 posters (including a mod or two) here who weakly troll every single thread I post and yes, I troll them and only them back occasionally. I'm not Christian and rarely turn the other cheek. I'm an American and I stand my ground and speak my piece. Obama had his FBI lower the mass murder definition to 4, and that is why I use that number, because they have the only credible data on crime in America. Dozens upon dozens of people are murdered every single day in about a dozen American cities, year after year, and you are correct that we don't talk about them, nor do we know who any of them are at all (except for HCP, he knows a few). Why isn't the media blasting every outlet and website with the names of the 20-some people murdered in Chicago yesterday? The 40 people murdered there last weekend? Where are the victims pictures, their stories, the demands for justice? I'll tell you why. Racism of the media, racism of politicians, racism of the Deep State that owns them, and the fact that these murders are almost always committed with stolen or illegally sold weapons in cities with the most stringent anti-Second Amendment gun control laws. Completely destroys the gun control argument, actually supports the need for freedom to carry for self defense. Maybe after Real Estate eases up a bit in the fall I'll start a thread with daily highlights of each day's victims of the drug cartels. A mighty but worthy undertaking. Okay, I've already talked myself into it.

El Presidente - Keep on keepin' on. We agree about 50% of the time and that's perfect for debate.

HCP - Every time we have a thread about murder you tell me not to post because a friend/relative/co-worker of yours was just murdered. Shutting down debate about the actual facts, reasons, causes, hidden agendas and solutions only assures you will grieve more often. I am pretty mindful to edit and fact-check my posts before posting so I don't know where you see hate in them. Maybe that's what you feel for everyone who disagrees with you?

If you'd ever believe I would kill a mass of people let alone a single person, you don't know me or my posts at all.
 
I sure wish a task force were put in place to research and analyze these mass shooter over the past 20 - 25 years. It seems to me the vast majority of them are young white males in the transition years, not men, but not boys either. Sort of stuck in place.
It also seems many do not live with their father. So what the hell is going on? Why is this group having this particular trouble leading to these horrific tragedies? It seems quite obvious they are representative of group that is not ready to join and be productive
members of society, to cast an intelligent votes or be responsible with weapons. My God! It is time to find some answers, what the hell is wrong?
 
Most mass shooters are gangbangers?

I never said a thing about mass shooters. It's not an accurate or grammatical term for anything that I can think of, like for instance mass murderer.

Maybe a mass of shooters at the target range.

It's a blatant attempt to mislabel and protect a murderer, for political gain, and you are so programmed to use it you can't help yourself.
 
I sure wish a task force were put in place to research and analyze these mass shooter over the past 20 - 25 years. It seems to me the vast majority of them are young white males in the transition years, not men, but not boys either. Sort of stuck in place.
It also seems many do not live with their father. So what the hell is going on? Why is this group having this particular trouble leading to these horrific tragedies? It seems quite obvious they are representative of group that is not ready to join and be productive
members of society, to cast an intelligent votes or be responsible with weapons. My God! It is time to find some answers, what the hell is wrong?
There is definitely something to this.
 
Dead bodies are still on the ground and he’s already tweeting about a UFC fight. The President.

What you want him to do in addition to already providing Federal support from several agencies and expressing condolences. He can't turn back time and set a trap for the murderer. He'll probably try to improve mental health care again and get shot down again by the Dems. You're posting on the OT forum as usual, he's going about his duties leading the free world, not sure what's the difference.

Meanwhile, with dead bodies still on the ground Opportunist Beto is running his mouth off and lying to everyone in a desperate attempt to regain relevance. Why not criticize him or every other Dem who is doing the same? Why not criticize Chicago's mayor for not stopping everything each evening to grieve for the dozen deaths of the day, every day? This is an infinitesimal rarity in an enormous country, as opposed to a daily occurrence in most major cities.
 
My heart goes out to the families of the fallen. Really hate seeing this stuff so often. It’s such a catch 22 though, there’s no right answer to fixing this.

All we can do is raise more mental health awareness, increase security on large gathering areas, more expansive background checks, I’m definitely not in the party of banning weapons as I will not part with my overall right as an American. However, I do think there needs to be better ways to vet the sales of said weapons.

Second amendment only allows a person to own a gun. Nowhere does it say all types of guns. The constitution never said we should all have assault rifles. No one needs an assault rifle like an AK47.
 
He's making me and you agree. Crazy. Haha

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I had to give up the Salis Sea cruise, my daughter came to visit. But I just arrived on the MarAzul, going to bring her south, maybe to the Umpqua and prep her for Mexico.
Intentions are to do some exploring of the Laguna San Ignacio and Magdalena, perhaps December or so. Decisions on Panama later.
 
Second amendment only allows a person to own a gun. Nowhere does it say all types of guns. The constitution never said we should all have assault rifles. No one needs an assault rifle like an AK47.
It says Arms. But I am not able to have the same weapon I used in Afghanistan, the M16. I think that is an assault rifle.
 
I never said a thing about mass shooters. It's not an accurate or grammatical term for anything that I can think of, like for instance mass murderer.

Maybe a mass of shooters at the target range.

It's a blatant attempt to mislabel and protect a murderer, for political gain, and you are so programmed to use it you can't help yourself.

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I'm willing to bet that my 13 years of work, 4 relatives and friends kind of slightly give me slightly more knowledge on it than "knowing someone" in a program, who has a roommate, who apparently speaks for all people with aspergers or on the ASD.

Either you're trying to be edgy, or think you're coming off as knowledgeable about a subject. You aren't.
I am.
 
Another shooting in Ohio...damn
 
I'm likely not wrong
This from Wikipedia
"The hypothesis that individuals with AS are predisposed to violent or criminal behavior has been investigated, but is not supported by data. More evidence suggests that children diagnosed with Asperger syndrome are victims rather than offenders.
A 2008 review found that an overwhelming number of reported violent criminals with Asperger syndrome had also other coexisting psychotic psychiatric disorders such as schizoaffective disorder."
 
Likewise. I own an AK-47, and I voted for Trump. And I don't appreciate you associating me with a crazy mass murderer.
In fairness, if you voted for Trump, you are crazy.

Also, WHY do you own an AK-47?

I own guns for self defense and hunting, but see 0 reason to own an assault rifle.

I love my guns. If some asshat tries to come into my home unwelcomed, I will put put 2 bullets into the fucks head......just to be sure the piece of shit doesn't survive. Still see no need for an assault rifle
 
The shooter says in his manifesto, basically, that he would not target people of color that are American. He is personifying a nationalist. HOWEVER, I'm calling bullshit. How on earth, in a situation like that, could he differentiate between American born brown people and immigrant brown people? And what about potential white immigrants in the mall? He wanted to kill brown people.
Yes. He wanted to kill Mexicans, period
 
I’ll never understand why civilians need semi or automatic weapons. Hunting rifles ok, pistols for self-defense I get that too, but they shouldnt even be allowed to sell those to anyone but the military.
I have a lame answer for this. I was talking with a coworker a week or so ago about this. I asked the same question...."why does anyone need an assault rifle"

His answer was...."I own an assault rifle because of the potential of a fascist government overtaking the American way of life"

Lots of weirdos out there
 

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