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wizenheimer said:
Meyers Leonard was a project
Zach Collins was a project
Nassir Little was a project

could be that Dame is basing his opinion on how much help guys like that have given. Those three guys have spent a combined 15 seasons in Portland and they didn't do jack shit

Dame thinks Sharpe is different because he sees the immediate upside like everybody else

but somebody should remind Dame just how much help the Blazers got from trading 4 first round picks for Afflalo, RoCo, and Nance.
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To be fair, I don’t Dame thinks those guys are needle movers.

It’s to the point that I think dame wants all-star caliber help.
 
THE HCP said:
We should get every single person back onto the same room we were all in for the Oden lottery…… hopefully that same mojo would carry over.
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i wasn’t there but I’m in…I think we’re due for something exciting
 
blazerfan11 said:
Positions 1, 2, 3 is 144 minutes.
Divided by 4 is 36 minutes per player.

the question has to be answered: how much is Hart going make, and how much is Grant going to make? Before making a comparison.

Also, Hart can play multiple positions capably. Grant struggles with one position. If Grant isn't scoring, what's he doing?

For New York, Hart is shooting 52% on 3-pointers, 62% on 2-pointers, 79% on free throws and has a true shooting percentage of 70%.
He's coming off the bench playing with 2 smaller guards.

edit: I forgot to mention that Hart is getting 7 rebounds, 3.6 assists and 1.4 steals (team-leading) per game in 30 minutes off the bench.
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We can speculate what Hart and Grant we'll make, but we'll know for sure in July. I'm going to guess Grant is going to make an additional $10m/year more than Hart, but I could be way off.

I'm not worried about Hart's splits in the last 6 weeks. I'm more interested in his stats over a larger period of time. If Hart were 6'8" with a 7'2" wingspan and could play PF, I would be more interested in a deep dive comparison between the two. Sadly, he is not.
 
Cronin built a team with oft injured players. Now the Blazers are claiming injuries derailed the season. That's a crafty little road the Blazers built towards the boat dock. It's early season fishing time, stock up the coolers.
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
Disagree with this one.
It's close, but Hart does more to help a team win. He doesn't have as flashy of a game - so he gets underrated.
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Hart does the intangible dirty work that contributes to winning. It's a shame he wasn't 3 inches taller.
 
Cronin said we had a trade exception from the Payton trade.

how/what is this? I don't see it listed anywhere. Did we restructure that deal to generate one?
 
So here’s the questions I have about GP2

Did we know he was hurt when we signed him?

Did we know he was going to be a big bitch baby?

Joe isn’t a mind reader so he probably didn’t know that Payton was going to sulk and sand bag because he really wanted to stay in the Bay Area. I still didn’t like the signing at the time and Payton being a piece of shit was only an unpleasant added bonus.
 
Tince said:
Grant is better. Grant is taller. Grant is longer. Grant is a better shooter. Grant plays PF while Hart is a SG/SF. The Blazers already have 3 talented guys under 6'6" on their roster. They already had a deal agreed to with Grant, while they didn't with Hart.
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Grant is taller. Grant is a better shooter. But Grant contributes less to his team's success than Josh Hart does. And if Grant is your PF then you BETTER have a SF like Hart who can rebound like a motherfucker, because Grant's rebounding is anemic. Grant dribbles like a PF but in all other respects is a SF.

Trading Hart was our first and most important tanking move.
 
“I don’t have much of an appetite for bringing in guys two and three years away from really going after it,” Lillard said. “I think we get Shaedon at 19 and he’s just different. Just being around him, his disposition, how he listens, his frame, his natural talent and his ability. I think, that’s enough 19-year-olds. You probably won’t find one that will come along the way he has. I’m just not interested in that.
“And this is not a secret. I want a chance to go for it. And if the route is to do that, then that’s not my route. I think we’re all in line with doing what we got to do to put a team together that we can actually go out there and get something done.

I don't know how it can be any clearer?
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Grant is taller. Grant is a better shooter. But Grant contributes less to his team's success than Josh Hart does. And if Grant is your PF then you BETTER have a SF like Hart who can rebound like a motherfucker, because Grant's rebounding is anemic. Grant dribbles like a PF but in all other respects is a SF.

Trading Hart was our first and most important tanking move.
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Agreed. Agreed. Disagree. Debatable. Disagree.

And Hart is gone. He's not coming back. I liked Hart, but it was obvious in the fall this was a short-term deal for a variety of reasons.
 
illmatic99 said:
am i reading that wrong? it makes it seem like he SHOULD play SF more. particularly on defense
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We've seen him defend other teams PGs. I'm not against him defending other teams SFs. That's all the more reason to not have a 6'4" SF next to him because that person would be less likely to be able to switch over a defend the other teams PF whe Grant is on opponents SFs.

You'd also have to look at who was on the floor when he played those minutes to get a clearer picture.
 
Blazers let Joe Ingels walk for nothing, Eric Bledsoe contract expire for nothing, trade away Hart for a pick, trade away Powell for salary relief, trade away Roco for nothing, add Nance in a trade for nothing.

None of those actions sound like a franchise trying to go for it and win now. Problem is it wasn't a franchise collecting valuable contracts either. They overpaid greatly for Nurk, overpaid a bit for Ant, overpaid for GP2 and got hard capped, and appear likely to overpay greatly for Grant. There's no possible way to build a winning team that both spends less and where it does spend gets poor value.

The time to decide to build a contender with Dame was when Neil got fired. The Blazers didn't, they saved cashed and gutted the talent off the roster.

It's just not feasible to now flip to a different strategy. Cronin has dealt himself a hand that can't be turned into a contender. He doesn't have tradable contracts to add a starter. He has a superstar plus a growing number of fans wanting the team to try and push all in to win now.

There is no realistic way this franchise can contend soon. I just hope they don't throw away all their young talent, picks, and future for a doomed to fail attempt to win with mediocre veterans.
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
Disagree with this one.
It's close, but Hart does more to help a team win. He doesn't have as flashy of a game - so he gets underrated.
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I like Hart significantly better, but he's smaller so less of a fit on a roster than has almost all sub-6'7" guys.
 
illmatic99 said:
Cronin said we had a trade exception from the Payton trade.

how/what is this? I don't see it listed anywhere. Did we restructure that deal to generate one?
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IIRC, Portland traded Payton and received Knox. But they had a TPE they used to absorb Knox, leaving them with a TPE equal to Payton's full salary

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THE HCP said:
Just like game threads on here….the people who expect to win every game will leave disappointed. Plan on us slipping to 8th and you’ll walk away very satisfied.
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Just played the "Tankathon" simulator again today 5 times. Got nothing lower than the 7th pick. 7, 7, 6, 7, 7. Why ya got to be such a downer. 8th pick???
 
There was a time this last season I'm certain a couple of us absolutely said "Do Not Trade Hart! He is the kind of player this team needs to keep!" I'm certain this was said by someone?
 
Fairly-Hard said:
There was a time this last season I'm certain a couple of us absolutely said "Do Not Trade Hart! He is the kind of player this team needs to keep!" I'm certain this was said by someone?
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And had those people got their wish, the Blazers would probably have 8th-10th best odds in the lottery instead of the 5th best, would have one less first round draft pick to use, which might also allow us to make a bigger move on draft night, and we'd likely have less flexibility regarding roster moves due to budget/tax reasons.

But, we would've won a couple more games!
 
Tince said:
And had those people got their wish, the Blazers would probably have 8th-10th best odds in the lottery instead of the 5th best, would have one less first round draft pick to use, which might also allow us to make a bigger move on draft night, and we'd likely have less flexibility regarding roster moves due to budget/tax reasons.

But, we would've won a couple more games!
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But: imagine we lucked into the 2nd or 3rd pick last year. We would almost certainly have taken Chet Holmgren or Jabari Smith instead of Shaedon. And I still maintain we would've probably taken Joakim Noah in the Oden draft if we hadn't struck "lucky" and moved up to #1...
 
Rastapopoulos said:
But: imagine we lucked into the 2nd or 3rd pick last year. We would almost certainly have taken Chet Holmgren or Jabari Smith instead of Shaedon. And I still maintain we would've probably taken Joakim Noah in the Oden draft if we hadn't struck "lucky" and moved up to #1...
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I'd rather have the chance at making the big homerun or the big mistake.

And since I think Cronin will be trading any pick outside of #1, I'm not worried who is going where, I just want the pick that can net the team the most value in a trade.
 
Tince said:
I'd rather have the chance at making the big homerun or the big mistake.

And since I think Cronin will be trading any pick outside of #1, I'm not worried who is going where, I just want the pick that can net the team the most value in a trade.
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I think Cronin, with pressure from Dame, will trade any pick
 
Mediocre Man said:
I think Cronin, with pressure from Dame, will trade any pick
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Dame made a comment earlier this year, something to the effect of being happy he wouldn't have to play against Wemby for long (because of Dame's age), because that guy's going to be a problem. I seriously doubt Dame would want the pick traded if we get #1.
 
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