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RR7 said:
If Dame requests a trade because the franchise didn't build well enough around him, that would put blame squarely on Neil. Not on Dame.
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absolutely and perhaps the ownership as well
 
B-Roy said:
If Olshey trades Dame, even if Dame asked for it, there is no way he will have the fanbase's support.

With the Billups thing, there is no goodwill there between Billups and Portland. But Dame is a demi-god in Oregon. Even the slimiest used car salesman wouldn't be able to convince them.

But likely Olshey doesn't care, or more importantly, Seattle doesn't care. They know if they can continue building a pseudo-contender, people will continue coming to the games. And they're likely too arrogant to consider the perspective of anyone other than their own.
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agree
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I don't know if he did, but the Jazz did start the 6' 4", 226 lbs Royce O'Neal at PF which is about as relevant to my post. (Not at all)
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if your point is that wingspan might help a player playing out of position like Powell...ok, I'd agree.

if it's that Portland can get away with playing Powell at SF for most games, in the regular season, I'd say probably, but it would be exposed in the playoffs

on the other hand, if somehow Portland added a Simmons or Siakam or Grant or even Nance, without trading CJ, I'd think you'd have a hard time arguing that Powell should stay the starting SF and Siakam or RoCo should go to the bench. The Blazers would be better off with a quality SF that wasn't 6'3
 
I can see it already. Neil trades Dame for parts, and tries to sell "building around CJ" as a roster upgrade that we should all be excited about.​
 
wizenheimer said:
if your point is that wingspan might help a player playing out of position like Powell...ok, I'd agree.

if it's that Portland can get away with playing Powell at SF for most games, in the regular season, I'd say probably, but it would be exposed in the playoffs

on the other hand, if somehow Portland added a Simmons or Siakam or Grant or even Nance, without trading CJ, I'd think you'd have a hard time arguing that Powell should stay the starting SF and Siakam or RoCo should go to the bench. The Blazers would be better off with a quality SF that wasn't 6'3
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No my point was none of those. I was just debating the post I replied on. In general, height does not matter when a player is long for his position, is strong, and is a good leaper. Donavon is a good example.
 
illmatic99 said:
Just gotta laugh at this point.

I can definitively say Toronto and Portland were having talks about Siakam-CJ before the draft. Discussions were about all star caliber players and guys making the same $ and people around the league were talking about it. But from what I was told, Portland did not have significant interest in continuing those conversations.

Makes it seem like convos were initiated from the Toronto side and Neil wasn't interested.
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I would like this post, but I don't like the message.

:cheers:
 
Minstrel said:
Lillard and CJ are his prized "star backcourt." Justifiably in Lillard's case, of course, but Olshey gets too emotionally attached to players that, at least at one time, were viewed as organization triumphs.

In much the way I said earlier this off-season that I'd only trade Lillard if it seemed like pure rip-off for Portland in every way (to add a premium to account for the fact that superstar trades almost never benefit the team trading the superstar), I think Olshey views McCollum in almost exactly the same way. If the Bucks offered him Giannis for McCollum straight across, he'd probably do that. But Siakam doesn't strike him as enough of a rip-off to deal his "homegrown superstar" (as he sees it).

It's one more reason why I'd like a new GM to go along with the new coach.
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This man should not be a GM
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I guess someone is wrong. ESPN showed him at PF all year long and the announcers commented on it as well which is why I looked it up during the playoffs.
https://www.espn.com/nba/team/depth/_/name/uth/avgassists
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Pretty sure Bogdonavic is the starting PF, and guarded the opposing PF more often than not. But the line between SF/PF is blurred for most teams in 2020. They stuck O'Neale on the opposing teams best perimeter player so if you want to call him Utah's defense stopper I guess you can do that.
 
Idog1976 said:
If true Fire Olshey needs added into it “on a Bezos Rocket into the Sun”. Like seriously what the fucking Fuck you could trade CJ and parts for Siakam AND YOU DIDN'T TAKE IT?!?!

Fire Olshey on a rocket into the Sun.
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I think I'm going to be sick.
 
B-Roy said:
If Olshey trades Dame, even if Dame asked for it, there is no way he will have the fanbase's support.

With the Billups thing, there is no goodwill there between Billups and Portland. But Dame is a demi-god in Oregon. Even the slimiest used car salesman wouldn't be able to convince them.

But likely Olshey doesn't care, or more importantly, Seattle doesn't care. They know if they can continue building a pseudo-contender, people will continue coming to the games. And they're likely too arrogant to consider the perspective of anyone other than their own.
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If Olshey fucks this up, I will boycott until those rat bastards are gone.
 
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B-Roy said:
Pretty sure Bogdonavic is the starting PF, and guarded the opposing PF more often than not. But the line between SF/PF is blurred for most teams in 2020. They stuck O'Neale on the opposing teams best perimeter player so if you want to call him Utah's defense stopper I guess you can do that.
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They stick O'Neal on the opposing team's best player. (Other than center) Their fans also view him as a PF. the announcers mention him as the PF.

https://www.slcdunk.com/the-downbea...liber-nba-player-2019-preseason-power-forward

"The talk with Royce O’Neale even in July was that Utah was eyeing O’Neale for the Power Forward position. That seemed crazy at the time for a team that has had the likes of Karl Malone, Paul Millsap, Carlos Boozer, and Derrick Favors manning the position. Little 6’6 Royce O’Neale? A power forward? The same player who was starting at shooting guard just a couple seasons ago in Europe? After only one preseason game against admittedly subpar competition, it looks to be the right call."
 
Pinwheel1 said:
They stick O'Neal on the opposing team's best player. (Other than center) Their fans also view him as a PF. the announcers mention him as the PF.

https://www.slcdunk.com/the-downbea...liber-nba-player-2019-preseason-power-forward

"The talk with Royce O’Neale even in July was that Utah was eyeing O’Neale for the Power Forward position. That seemed crazy at the time for a team that has had the likes of Karl Malone, Paul Millsap, Carlos Boozer, and Derrick Favors manning the position. Little 6’6 Royce O’Neale? A power forward? The same player who was starting at shooting guard just a couple seasons ago in Europe? After only one preseason game against admittedly subpar competition, it looks to be the right call."
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Like I said, the line between SF/PF is blurred for most teams. I think most of the arguments around positions (besides centers) are just arguing semantics. But O'Neale is clearly their best defender. That is agreeable.
 
illmatic99 said:
The problem with Powell at SF is we can't switch 3-5 which is what nearly every successful team does.

You want Powell guarding Lebron or Giannis on a switch? He couldn't handle Porter jr, for Godsakes.
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Have we ever had an SF that could guard Lebron? Has anyone? If so not many.....
 
B-Roy said:
Like I said, the line between SF/PF is blurred for most teams. I think most of the arguments around positions (besides centers) are just arguing semantics. But O'Neale is clearly their best defender. That is agreeable.
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well, Powell isn't O'Neal

the thing is RoCo can move down from PF and effectively defend SF's and SG's. Powell can't move up from SF and effectively guard most PF's. Defensive versatility isn't as fluid for a lot of players as it is for others

by the way, both bbref and 82games reportedly base those positional stats on who the player guards. Both websites have about the same positional data for O'Neal
 
wizenheimer said:
well, Powell isn't O'Neal

the thing is RoCo can move down from PF and effectively defend SF's and SG's. Powell can't move up from SF and effectively guard most PF's. Defensive versatility isn't as fluid for a lot of players as it is for others

by the way, both bbref and 82games reportedly base those positional stats on who the player guards. Both websites have about the same positional data for O'Neal
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Yes, our lineup is very flawed.

To be honest, arguing the difference between Powell and O'Neale or whatever is just pointless. Not even prime Scottie Pippen could cover for having both Dame and CJ being your starting guard pair.
 
wizenheimer said:
by the way, both bbref and 82games reportedly base those positional stats on who the player guards. Both websites have about the same positional data for O'Neal
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bbref has Lillard playing PG 100% of the time, and we know he is often taken off of opposing PGs, so that seems really doubtful to me.
 
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