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cheesehoff said:
Sorry, but I don't get the ease that people are throwing in the future first rounders in trade scenarios. When you can't get fa's to come here you have to build through the draft. If they were gonna add those picks like some suggest, they will end up in this same position in a year or two.
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...its because they will still have plenty of player assets to easily liquidate for draft capital :dunno:
 
Mediocre Man said:
Ok, take this for what you will, but was told a signing in the next day or two
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Oubre, Markannen, or others of that caliber for TPMLE is a great additional piece. That said, what we desperately need is a TRADE. I just wanted to be the first on the board to point this out this summer. /s
 
Pinwheel1 said:
But often it doesn't correlate: (and therefore doesn't matter)

"Standing just 6'1 ¼ without shoes, Mitchell has less than ideal height for a NBA shooting guard, but compensates for that with a gigantic 6'10 wingspan, a chiseled 211 pound frame, and tremendous athleticism that allows him to play much bigger than his size. He's got great speed and body control in the open floor, and is a big time leaper off two feet, posting a 36 ½ inch no-step vertical at the Combine. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Donovan-Mitchell-84680/ ©DraftExpress"
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Just because it isn't always true doesn't mean it doesn't matter. Citing his vertical as evidence that it makes up for lack of height is silly.

Someone that can reach 11ft with a 20in vertical is going to block a lot more shots that someone who can reach 11ft with a 30in vertical.
 
Lamarcus 'the heartbreak kid" Aldridge? 6 time allstar...Dame wanted an allstar...
 
cheesehoff said:
Sorry, but I don't get the ease that people are throwing in the future first rounders in trade scenarios. When you can't get fa's to come here you have to build through the draft. If they were gonna add those picks like some suggest, they will end up in this same position in a year or two.
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We have two options.

1: trade Dame for a massive package with a bunch of picks and start over

2: use our future pick assets to get someone Dame will be happy with and feel like we tried to get him a more talented roster
 
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cheesehoff said:
Sorry, but I don't get the ease that people are throwing in the future first rounders in trade scenarios. When you can't get fa's to come here you have to build through the draft. If they were gonna add those picks like some suggest, they will end up in this same position in a year or two.
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Agree. Throwing every first rounder possible for Ben Simmons would scare the shit out of me if I’m Neil or any blazer fan. Unless you are getting a generational talent, hell no.
 
tykendo said:
If it was Siakam straight across for CJ, that's a major fail by Neil. But I've got to believe that Toronto is asking for way more. I give Toronto a future 1st, who cares. This is about the now. Hopefully the full story isn't coming out in this. And there still are open channels. Trades are not always cut and dry, and sometimes take time to get all the details done.
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Saw something earlier on twitter that said those discussions happened before the draft with Toronto. And who knows how all of that goes. But obviously, post draft, there's always time to rekindle those talks. Toronto drafted a potential replacement for Siakim in Barnes. And at the time, we didn't have Powell locked in. Could be that discussions were tabled because Neil didn't want to risk Powell walking, and losing CJ without someone to fill his spot? Not getting my hopes up on anything happening, of course. Just saying, it makes more sense to wait on any CJ trade until after free agency, with Powell. Maybe those talks start back up now that each team has a replacement.
Still, makes no sense for Toronto, with FVV and GTJ there. If they're trying to win now, they keep Siakim. If they're not, they don't add CJ. The rumor has some weird scents attached on the old smell test.
 
I honestly think Neil won’t trade CJ because it’s the best player he has drafted here. I know he technically drafted Dame but didn’t Buchanan do all the research on that draft, pretty sure Neil showed up 2 weeks before the Dame draft.
 
Olshey probably can't help himself and will sign Avery Bradley. He needs another 6'3ish guard on the team.
 
calvin natt said:
Agree. Throwing every first rounder possible for Ben Simmons would scare the shit out of me if I’m Neil or any blazer fan. Unless you are getting a generational talent, hell no.
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Jrue Holiday is not a generational talent and I don't think the Bucks' GM or the fans are kicking themselves for sending all of those picks and swaps.
 
blazerboy30 said:
Just because it isn't always true doesn't mean it doesn't matter. Citing his vertical as evidence that it makes up for lack of height is silly.

Someone that can reach 11ft with a 20in vertical is going to block a lot more shots that someone who can reach 11ft with a 30in vertical.
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OK take out the vertical part of my statement. You still have a guy who is under 6'1 with a 6'10 wingspan. He is tall enough.
 
santeesioux said:
so much for Oubre
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I just don't get Oubre going to a rebuilding team. Other than cash of course. But he's already earned some decent cheddar. How bout come to a potential, with his services, contender, and rebuild your resume with a contribution to helping a team achieve something. Hornets make no sense to me.
 
blazerkor said:
Jrue Holiday is not a generational talent and I don't think the Bucks' GM or the fans are kicking themselves for sending all of those picks and swaps.
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if what you're pointing at is Olshey's timid nature when it comes to taking a big risk, that's valid. And if you're talking about Olshey's passion for 6'3 players and contrasting that with the Bucks' length, that's also valid

however, I think there are also some pretty significant differences in the two team's situation.

to start with, the Bucks were close already. They had the MVP, and they had a 2nd star that meshes extremely well with Giannis. And Middleton is a much better #2 option than CJ who plays both ends of the floor. So, the Bucks were looking at a #3 option that had all-star level talent. Portland is not close to contending at all

another big difference, and I think it's a controlling difference is that Giannis is 4 and a half years younger than Dame; and Middleton is a year younger. So, Milwaukee had a reasonable expectation that they would be a contender for the duration of almost all the picks they gave up. And, the player they traded for had an established two-way game that fit very well with the other two stars

Dame is 31. He's made noises about demanding a trade. And Portland won't be looking for a #3 option, they will be looking to trade an inadequate #2 option for a better #2 and a better fit. Which means, IMO, the Blazers would need to be really cautious about trading picks past the next 3 drafts without protections. A trade that doesn't work out, or some significant injury to Dame would mean the Blazers could be trading away a high draft pick or 2. I've said this before, but I don't think Portland should offer the godfather package of picks unless they are getting a consensus top-10 player
 
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