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That theory only works if you ignore LMA's cooperative challenges throughout his career.

Melo was out of the league before he became willing to come off the bench, and Nurk was only sulking as a bench player. Nice try.

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Playing devil's advocate here......one major difference in my mind is when Dame came to the Blazers LMA was the star and yet the younger Dame took over as the team leader. Which I think might have contributed to LMA's ego being bruised....even more than it already was.

Simmons on the other hand would be coming to the team where Dame is already established as the team leader and star. That might be a little easier for Ben to allow
Dame to help him..... then it was for LMA
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blazerkor said:
The comparison is nonsense. Dame came here and it was LMA's team. Dame started to take the reigns as a leader and even though LMA has never had that skill he was jealous. Dame didn't have a chance with LMA. Nurk was supposed to be poisonous and had a bad attitude before he got here and Melo wouldn't come off the bench before he got here. Dame could mentor Simmons and that was obviously never a possibility with LMA if for no other reason, just because of timing.

The fact is no one has said that Simmons has a bad attitude anyway. So not only is your comparison off, so is the premise of what you're saying. Simmons has had some confidence issues when it comes to scoring the ball. Simmons has not said that he is a socialite that won't play in Portland or Toronto that's an amalgamation of some bullshit a Bay Area sports talk guy said to inject himself into a national conversation. People have said that Simmons doesn't have strong work ethic but I think not only would Dame help with Simmons' confidence and drive to be excellent... just getting the fuck away from Philly would. At first he had to endure the "Process" and now he has a coach and teammate obviously not treating him well.

Bad comparison, bad information... people just need to stop with the Simmons slander unless they have info to back it up. If you can find me an article that is legit where Philly based reporters accuse him of a "crappy attitude" or a quote from him, a teammate or coach that would lead you to believe he has one, I would love it. Then I could understand why everyone is piling on this guy.
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handiman said:
That theory only works if you ignore LMA's cooperative challenges throughout his career.

Melo was out of the league before he became willing to come off the bench, and Nurk was only sulking as a bench player. Nice try.
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People change all of the time, others help them change. You might think that's naive but it's the truth... and I don't even know how much changing Simmons would need to do. He's never come off as entitled in any interviews I've seen. So I think this is a moot point. People are putting words in the guy's mouth. The guy obviously needs encouragement and I think he'd get a lot more of that from Dame and Chauncey than he is from Embiid and Doc.
 
Cmon Neil, do some tampering. I bet Jody will pay for the fines just as long we get that player to help Dame.
 
too bad Olshey couldn't talk San Antonio into doing a S&T for Zach. Spurs are about 40M away from the apron so being hard-capped wouldn't be an issue

Blazers could have traded Zach, cash and a future 2nd for a Spurs future 2nd protected 1-59.

That would have given Portland a 7M TPE which could come in handy. That's what happened when Minny signed Layman. I wonder if Olshey tried but either Zach or the Spurs weren't buying?
 
wizenheimer said:
too bad Olshey couldn't talk San Antonio into doing a S&T for Zach. Spurs are about 40M away from the apron so being hard-capped wouldn't be an issue

Blazers could have traded Zach, cash and a future 2nd for a Spurs future 2nd protected 1-59.

That would have given them a 7M TPE which could come in handy. That's what happened when Minny signed Layman. I wonder if Olshey tried but either Zach or the Spurs weren't buying?
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Do we even have a second to trade anymore?
 
B-Roy said:
Do we even have a second to trade anymore?
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it's a little bit of a challenge to recall what trades these obligations came from. The two picks to Sacramento were from the Ariza trade. The New Orleans was when the Blazers bought the 43rd pick they used on Brown

I can't recall what trade it was that sent the pick to Boston or had the one incumming 2nd that's worth next to nothing
 

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So we can trade a 2027 pick and that’s it. Good to know.

Zach hasn’t been signed yet fwiw, so it could still be done.

But one thing to note is that the TPE would only be at Zach’s previous salary due to BYC rules, so not sure if a TPE of 5 million is worth it.
 
wizenheimer said:
too bad Olshey couldn't talk San Antonio into doing a S&T for Zach. Spurs are about 40M away from the apron so being hard-capped wouldn't be an issue

Blazers could have traded Zach, cash and a future 2nd for a Spurs future 2nd protected 1-59.

That would have given Portland a 7M TPE which could come in handy. That's what happened when Minny signed Layman. I wonder if Olshey tried but either Zach or the Spurs weren't buying?
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It looks like they made the McDermott signing a sign and trade with Indiana, so there's really no reason for us not to.
Which means we probably wont.
 
B-Roy said:
So we can trade a 2027 pick and that’s it. Good to know.

Zach hasn’t been signed yet fwiw, so it could still be done.

But one thing to note is that the TPE would only be at Zach’s previous salary due to BYC rules, so not sure if a TPE of 5 million is worth it.
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I'm not sure the Septien rule about future 1st round picks applies to 2nd round picks...but maybe. This section (89) suggests it doesn't:

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and, the 2028 draft is eligible for trading now

good point about BYC, but still, a 5M TPE could be fairly handy, especially around the trade deadline
 

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Wiz brings up a good point with the trade exception though, and this applies to the TPMLE as well:

Dame wants us to "put our best foot forward".

Even if the TPMLE player falls out of the rotation, or is not "worth" their contract, at the very least it's $9 million dollars more we use to match salaries in a trade down the line. It's most likely going to be a short contract, so no long term ramifications there.

The second round pick for a TPE is literally a no risk-move where you give nothing and return something.

These two moves should absolutely be the bare minimum of "putting our best foot forward".
 
B-Roy said:
Wiz brings up a good point with the trade exception though, and this applies to the TPMLE as well:

Dame wants us to "put our best foot forward".

Even if the TPMLE player falls out of the rotation, or is not "worth" their contract, at the very least it's $9 million dollars more we use to match salaries in a trade down the line. It's most likely going to be a short contract, so no long term ramifications there.

The second round pick for a TPE is literally a no risk-move where you give nothing and return something.

These two moves should absolutely be the bare minimum of "putting our best foot forward".
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do we know 'exactly' where Portland's cap is now?

The Apron is about 143M

Spotrac's latest on Portland:

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but, as near as I can tell that does not include Snell and Brown

if that's accurate, then Portland is about 6M below the Apron; barely over the tax line. Couldn't use the full-MLE obviously, But definitely the TPMLE would be a trade chip/filler that should be in the arsenal

the only 'yeah, but...' I see there is if Seattle is insisting the Olshey reserve the option to trade under the tax-line by the deadline if the Blazers are 8th-seed/lottery bound
 

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wizenheimer said:
do we know 'exactly' where Portland's cap is now?

The Apron is about 143M

Spotrac's latest on Portland:

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but, as near as I can tell that does not include Snell and Brown

if that's accurate, then Portland is about 6M below the Apron; barely over the tax line. Couldn't use the full-MLE obviously, But definitely the TPMLE would be a trade chip/filler that should be in the arsenal

the only 'yeah, but...' I see there is if Seattle is insisting the Olshey reserve the option to trade under the tax-line by the deadline if the Blazers are 8th-seed/lottery bound
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It sounds like they don't want to use the TPMLE on someone that may not be worth the money. My point is there is no reason not to use it from a team building perspective. As you said, the only thing is that this would allow them to easily get out of the tax at the deadline.

We still need to sign one more guy though. Either way.
 
MickZagger said:
I always thought Powell was a willing passer with us.
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i dont agree, but both him and cj mccollum have shown that they can run pnr with nurk

hopefully chauncey makes them pass the ball, especially cj mccollum, as i think he can make actual plays, not just pass the ball
 
B-Roy said:
It sounds like they don't want to use the TPMLE on someone that may not be worth the money. My point is there is no reason not to use it from a team building perspective. As you said, the only thing is that this would allow them to easily get out of the tax at the deadline.

We still need to sign one more guy though. Either way.
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I'm assuming I'm not the only one that sees the Blazers have a giant hole at the PF position and big man depth. Portland has 13 players and 11 are under 6'8; 10 are under 6'7; and 5 are under 6'4. I know the new NBA has blurred the lines at some positions, but there is still a painted area and the basket is still 10' high. That's crazy....almost looks at the moment that Olshey is trying out-Morey the Houston small-ball lineup from a couple of years ago. And it bears repeating that both of Portland's players over 6'7 have extensive injury histories. Zeller has missed an average of 30 games over the last 4 seasons....yikes!

so if the Blazers do need another PF, the available list is:

Paul Millsap
Mike Scott
Nicolo Melli
Patrick Patterson
Alen Smailagic
Ersan Ilyasova
TJ Leaf

and if it's some kind of C/PF tweener, those available:

Aron Baynes
Ed Davis
Luke Kornet
Isaiah Hartenstein
Harry Giles
DeMarcus Cousins
Jordan Bell

yeeeeesh, that's a sad list of options. Honestly, I'm not sure any deserve a 5-6M 1 year deal. Olshey may be waiting for one of them to settle on a minimum deal, although I'd think Millsap would be the only one who might expect more

still, a 5M expiring contract should have value, especially as the trade deadline approaches. Cynically, I'm thinking Seattle's position might be they are fine with mediocrity but don't want to pay tax for it
 
wizenheimer said:
I'm assuming I'm not the only one that sees the Blazers have a giant hole at the PF position and big man depth. Portland has 13 players and 11 are under 6'8; 10 are under 6'7; and 5 are under 6'4. I know the new NBA has blurred the lines at some positions, but there is still a painted area and the basket is still 10' high. That's crazy....almost looks at the moment that Olshey is trying out-Morey the Houston small-ball lineup from a couple of years ago. And it bears repeating that both of Portland's players over 6'7 have extensive injury histories. Zeller has missed an average of 30 games over the last 4 seasons....yikes!

so if the Blazers do need another PF, the available list is:

Paul Millsap
Mike Scott
Nicolo Melli
Patrick Patterson
Alen Smailagic
Ersan Ilyasova
TJ Leaf

and if it's some kind of C/PF tweener, those available:

Aron Baynes
Ed Davis
Luke Kornet
Isaiah Hartenstein
Harry Giles
DeMarcus Cousins
Jordan Bell

yeeeeesh, that's a sad list of options. Honestly, I'm not sure any deserve a 5-6M 1 year deal. Olshey may be waiting for one of them to settle on a minimum deal, although I'd think Millsap would be the only one who might expect more

still, a 5M expiring contract should have value, especially as the trade deadline approaches. Cynically, I'm thinking Seattle's position might be they are fine with mediocrity but don't want to pay tax for it
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Get the salary and use it for trades. Miami paid Meyers Leonard 10M to use as trade bait for gods sakes.
 
B-Roy said:
Get the salary and use it for trades. Miami paid Meyers Leonard 10M to use as trade bait for gods sakes.
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yeah, I'm agreeing with that

Portland could/have a 5.9M expiring contract and a 5.4M TPE. Those are both very useful options in trades. They currently have neither
 
wizenheimer said:
I'm assuming I'm not the only one that sees the Blazers have a giant hole at the PF position and big man depth. Portland has 13 players and 11 are under 6'8; 10 are under 6'7; and 5 are under 6'4. I know the new NBA has blurred the lines at some positions, but there is still a painted area and the basket is still 10' high. That's crazy....almost looks at the moment that Olshey is trying out-Morey the Houston small-ball lineup from a couple of years ago. And it bears repeating that both of Portland's players over 6'7 have extensive injury histories. Zeller has missed an average of 30 games over the last 4 seasons....yikes!

so if the Blazers do need another PF, the available list is:

Paul Millsap
Mike Scott
Nicolo Melli
Patrick Patterson
Alen Smailagic
Ersan Ilyasova
TJ Leaf

and if it's some kind of C/PF tweener, those available:

Aron Baynes
Ed Davis
Luke Kornet
Isaiah Hartenstein
Harry Giles
DeMarcus Cousins
Jordan Bell

yeeeeesh, that's a sad list of options. Honestly, I'm not sure any deserve a 5-6M 1 year deal. Olshey may be waiting for one of them to settle on a minimum deal, although I'd think Millsap would be the only one who might expect more

still, a 5M expiring contract should have value, especially as the trade deadline approaches. Cynically, I'm thinking Seattle's position might be they are fine with mediocrity but don't want to pay tax for it
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Melli is playing in Italy this season.
 
wizenheimer said:
too bad Olshey couldn't talk San Antonio into doing a S&T for Zach. Spurs are about 40M away from the apron so being hard-capped wouldn't be an issue

Blazers could have traded Zach, cash and a future 2nd for a Spurs future 2nd protected 1-59.

That would have given Portland a 7M TPE which could come in handy. That's what happened when Minny signed Layman. I wonder if Olshey tried but either Zach or the Spurs weren't buying?
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TPE would've only been $5.4M and you can only protect picks through 55 but it would've been nice to have regardless.
 
Laurie has the potential to be a Nurk type of steal - a sulking immature big who could use a change of scenery.

Legit shooter. I hope he doesn’t land in Dallas.
 
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