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illmatic99 said:
But even guys like Redick/Ed Davis/Bradley/Matthews/Boogie I would consider as potential vets who can serviceably play 10-15 mpg in the playoffs while also providing intangibles like locker room support.

If we want the upside route, I'd roll the dice on Exum/Ntilikina/Smith Jr.

To me, Millsap is the number 1 target right now as he checks a lot of these boxes:
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Millsap or Ed from that group. We need someone who is physical enough to stay with AD, LBJ, and even Zion. Not saying many can, especially for the MLE,
but we have no one right now. We need someone at least 240 who can guard them out high and down low. (Although Ed is only 225)
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Millsap or Ed from that group. We need someone who is physical enough to stay with AD, LBJ, and even Zion. Not saying many can, especially for the MLE,
but we have no one right now. We need someone at least 240 who can guard them out high and down low. (Although Ed is only 225)
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ya we desperately need size
 
tykendo said:
That's why a CJ trade to get that needed PF is vital. There are no Free Agents that really fill that void. Milsap off bench helps, but we need a starting PF like Green.
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yeah but you still need to find a seller. I doubt the warriors are shopping Draymond.

I know we all like to shit on everything Olshey does, but waiting until the deadline really isn’t that bad of an idea. There will be more sellers then.
 
Scalma said:
yeah but you still need to find a seller. I doubt the warriors are shopping Draymond.

I know we all like to shit on everything Olshey does, but waiting until the deadline really isn’t that bad of an idea. There will be more sellers then.
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I'm one of the few who don't. But i think a move before the season is best for ALL teams involved. Simmons makes no sense next to Green IMO. I think CJ is the best remedy for the Sixers situation. Plus they get picks from Golden State in the deal. Philly waiting till the deadline could cause a powderkeg to develop. I think Golden State is thinking they could move on from Green, cause why would they go after Simmons? Simmons and Green together seems redundant.
 
tykendo said:
I'm one of the few who don't. But i think a move before the season is best for ALL teams involved. Simmons makes no sense next to Green IMO. I think CJ is the best remedy for the Sixers situation. Plus they get picks from Golden State in the deal. Philly waiting till the deadline could cause a powderkeg to develop. I think Golden State is thinking they could move on from Green, cause why would they go after Simmons? Simmons and Green together seems redundant.
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yeah I agree, but are they actually after Simmons? Like, who’s reported that? If true, they would definitely have to trade Draymond.
 
Scalma said:
yeah but you still need to find a seller. I doubt the warriors are shopping Draymond.

I know we all like to shit on everything Olshey does, but waiting until the deadline really isn’t that bad of an idea. There will be more sellers then.
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We might be one of them. I just hope Dame is a bit more patient and doesn't cause more drama before then if we arent winning like we all want.
 
Speaking of free agents, why are Millsap, Cousins, and Hart still teamless? The first 2 seem worth a gamble in a limited minutes role, and Hart can actually contribute as a rotation player.
 
Scalma said:
yeah but you still need to find a seller. I doubt the warriors are shopping Draymond.

I know we all like to shit on everything Olshey does, but waiting until the deadline really isn’t that bad of an idea. There will be more sellers then.
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Waiting till the deadline at best means a late run at a low play-off seed and another 1st round mauling. Is that enough to pacify Dame? Is it enough for the fans? If we were to actually make a significant roster change (I know - fat chance) it would be better to make it now and give the team the a chance to gel.
 
Buffalo Custard said:
Waiting till the deadline at best means a late run at a low play-off seed and another 1st round mauling..
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You’re just assuming this team is gonna be an eighth seed without knowing anything about Billups’ abilities as a coach. Blazers fans should know by now how much of a difference coaching makes. Also, Powell will have a full training camp with the team and should only get better as his comfort grows. We could also see a third year jump from Nas. The bench at least seems upgraded, and it was one of the biggest weaknesses of the team last season. A trade can still happen before training camp. Point is, we really don’t know what this team is or isn’t. Championships aren’t won in the offseason, so again, I see nothing wrong with actually giving this group and staff a look before making any bigger decisions.
 
Fez Forthright said:


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Whats funny is, the players they listed for Portland?

Batum didn't leave, he was traded.
Wesley would've been re-signed had he not blew out his knee (and pretty much *still* sucks 6 years later).
Lopez? He wasn't worth the contract he (eventually) signed with the Knicks.
LaMarcus left because he was insecure about his place in the world.

Not saying Portland is a free agent destination (it's not), but if it's so bad, why do so many former players (who either were drafted here, traded here or signed here) end up staying in Portland?
 
Buffalo Custard said:
Speaking of free agents, why are Millsap, Cousins, and Hart still teamless? The first 2 seem worth a gamble in a limited minutes role, and Hart can actually contribute as a rotation player.
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Good question. My guess is they all want more money than currently being offered. I like Hart as well but he did struggle with his 3 pt shooting while in New Orleans...so maybe teams are only offering the minimum?
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Good question. My guess is they all want more money than currently being offered. I like Hart as well but he did struggle with his 3 pt shooting while in New Orleans...so maybe teams are only offering the minimum?
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Hart is restricted so I’m guessing teams just figure New Orleans will match any offer sheet. But who even has cap space left anyway?

I’m guessing Millsap is only being offered the minimum, and he’s holding out for more figuring that minimum offer will be there in a month as well.

Cousins? Idk what’s going on there, he should just take whatever he can.
 
Scalma said:
I’m guessing Millsap is only being offered the minimum, and he’s holding out for more figuring that minimum offer will be there in a month as well.
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Also, I bet he wouldn't mind missing training camp. That must get old after 30-odd seasons or however many he's been through.
 
Scalma said:
Hart is restricted so I’m guessing teams just figure New Orleans will match any offer sheet. But who even has cap space left anyway?

I’m guessing Millsap is only being offered the minimum, and he’s holding out for more figuring that minimum offer will be there in a month as well.

Cousins? Idk what’s going on there, he should just take whatever he can.
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I wish Cousins could guard a PF on the perimeter. He would make a nice stretch 4. (On offense) He is a good passer and shooter.
 
I’m not a huge fan of Simmons offensive game. I mean he can handle the ball and is great in the paint. But makes me think he’s a superstar type difference maker is that he can lock down positions 1-5. He can easily put a teams defense among the best in the league
 
MickZagger said:
I’m not a huge fan of Simmons offensive game. I mean he can handle the ball and is great in the paint. But makes me think he’s a superstar type difference maker is that he can lock down positions 1-5. He can easily put a teams defense among the best in the league
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Agreed. I also think that if he's put in the right situation, his game would flourish. He might never become a solid 3 point shooter, but I don't think that he needs to be to reach his potential.

He also shouldn't be the 3rd option on a team without a playmaker (i.e., if he's playing WITH Dame he's a good 3rd or 4th option. If he's playing on the team WITHOUT Dame, he'd be a horrible 3rd or 4th option). He needs to play with a facilitator.
 
Scalma said:
You’re just assuming this team is gonna be an eighth seed without knowing anything about Billups’ abilities as a coach. Blazers fans should know by now how much of a difference coaching makes. Also, Powell will have a full training camp with the team and should only get better as his comfort grows. We could also see a third year jump from Nas. The bench at least seems upgraded, and it was one of the biggest weaknesses of the team last season. A trade can still happen before training camp. Point is, we really don’t know what this team is or isn’t. Championships aren’t won in the offseason, so again, I see nothing wrong with actually giving this group and staff a look before making any bigger decisions.
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Also, the current roster is what made the low playoff seed run last year after the trade deadline, so there's no reason to assume that it would need a similar influx of trade talent this year just to rise to that same level. The front office's idea would be, a trade deadline move this year should push the team significantly higher than that.
 
handiman said:
Also, the current roster is what made the low playoff seed run last year after the trade deadline, so there's no reason to assume that it would need a similar influx of trade talent this year just to rise to that same level. The front office's idea would be, a trade deadline move this year should push the team significantly higher than that.
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yeah, and those current players’ roles are gonna change too, at least if Billups is to be believed. For example, CJ off the ball more could actually make the offense significantly better, and less predictable, just by itself. Then you’ve got Nurk, who Chauncey thinks has been underutilized.

Time will tell, but I think it’s a little wild to be using last season to predict what’s gonna happen next season, even if the core has remained untouched.
 
julius said:
Whats funny is, the players they listed for Portland?

Batum didn't leave, he was traded.
Wesley would've been re-signed had he not blew out his knee (and pretty much *still* sucks 6 years later).
Lopez? He wasn't worth the contract he (eventually) signed with the Knicks.
LaMarcus left because he was insecure about his place in the world.

Not saying Portland is a free agent destination (it's not), but if it's so bad, why do so many former players (who either were drafted here, traded here or signed here) end up staying in Portland?
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Portland is a great place to raise a kid, but not what kids (young nba players) are looking for.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Portland is a great place to raise a kid, but not what kids (young nba players) are looking for.
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I'm curious how many people actually stay here from the east coast.

For instance Martell Webster doesn't fully count in making a point.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
Damian, the star of our team said it himself that this team can't be fixed by just a coaching change to become a contender.
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I think he's lost some credibility for sticking with Stotts for 9 seasons. A lot of that was on him. Perhaps as much as Olshey, if not more. And while I don't think we should completely rely on Chauncey to make changes, I do think we had the talent to do MUCH better than we did last season.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
I'm curious how many people actually stay here from the east coast.

For instance Martell Webster doesn't fully count in making a point.
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as in former players?

Terry Porter, Jerome Kersey, Kevin Duckworth, Terry Dischinger, Brian Grant, Steve Blake, Cliff Robinson, Shalor Halimon and Michael Harper just to name a few.

Granted some of them are dead.
 


Nice deal for Hart. Also I always like 3 year deals, they usually seem easier to trade if need to.
 
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