Game Thread GAME# 22: NUGGETS @ BLAZERS - NOVEMBER 30, 2018 - FRIDAY, 7:30 PM , ESPN & NBCSNW

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They are trash Aminu too

We’ve been starting and relying on a guy that’s a backup on a real good team for three or four years. I don’t hate Aminu, but I hate what he represents. Selling mediocrity.
 
LOL! The team loses and your response is to go after other fans just because they disagree with you. Tell you what, put me on ignore and find someone else to try to bully into silence.

You choose to call CJ selfish.
Multiple people are telling you & others CJ made the right play.(Nevermind the countless times a season teams play time & clock instead of jacking a contested 3 with 5 defenders out across all levels of basketball)
You choose to attempt to change your statement and say. 'Oh we just have a different approach'.
You then choose to play the victim.

Jesus man... No one is trying to bully you.
Grow up.
 
But you give yourself a chance for them to turn the ball over (which happened) or miss a FT.

Maybe I think too much like a football fan. I'm going to run the clock down before kicking that last field goal. Don't give the ball to the other team with more time on the clock than you have to.
(and yes, I know it isn't a perfect analogy)

To put it in basketball terms, I would trust Dame to make a clutch shot before I would trust this team to get a defensive stop. The alternative of sending them to the FT line doesn't actually work that often. The Blazers went choke city at the line against the Magic and still won.

And for the record, I appreciate you responding in a civilized manner, even though you clearly disagree with what I said.
 
We’ve been starting and relying on a guy that’s a backup on a real good team for three or four years. I don’t hate Aminu, but I hate what he represents. Selling mediocrity.

That’s fair. Aminu would actually be real good as a backup 15 min defensive specialist type of player nothing more tho
 
It's really a shame that we beat ORL...

In a way your right. The bright side is like I said we just gotta go thru this season after that this will be flipped upside down with major changes starting at the coaching spot
 
Yea we can stick with him but then what? Why keep him for nostalgic reasons?

Nostalgic reasons? Whoa there.....if it wasn't for him, we wouldn't make the playoffs EVER, and we'd be lucky to win 2o games. This team survives mostly on his skills alone.

Come on now. Like I said: there are some things he does that is maddening....he still sucks on Defense for the most part (he has some good moments, but not many), and he complains almost constantly....which really bugs the fuck out of me, especially when he does it during All Star voting. I also think his leadership is lacking at times.....noticeably so. He doesn't rally players at timeouts, and he doesn't huddle the team when necessary.

BUT....again, we're not very likely to get a better player than him, either in FA or the Draft. So I say we stick with him, get rid of that fucking idiot Terry Stotts, and build up a team around him, with other leaders who can take over when they need to.

But with Paul Allen gone, none of these things are likely. Which means that, until we are bought out by someone, we're stuck in purgatory.

But I swear to fuck.....if Neil even thinks about signing Terry Stotts to an extension, I will fucking lose it. That might just be it for me until someone else takes over.
 
No one gonna admit it, but you know who would look good on that closing unit? ....Hehe.
 
Maybe I think too much like a football fan. I'm going to run the clock down before kicking that last field goal. Don't give the ball to the other team with more time on the clock than you have to.
(and yes, I know it isn't a perfect analogy)

To put it in basketball terms, I would trust Dame to make a clutch shot before I would trust this team to get a defensive stop. The alternative of sending them to the FT line doesn't actually work that often. The Blazers went choke city at the line against the Magic and still won.

And for the record, I appreciate you responding in a civilized manner, even though you clearly disagree with what I said.
To get a stop? We dont need a stop. If we get an open dunk, then we have an opportunity for them to make a mistake (TO or missed FT) and if we dont, we can still get the same quality of 3 the next possession. Or take the open layup again (if time permits) and see if they make a mistake, and if not we still have an opportunity for 3.

Theres a lot better chance for success there than waiting till the very end to jack up a contested 3.
 
I dont think I'm gonna post much in game threads anymore. A certain group of posters have ruined it. I've noticed a lot of the quality posters on this board no longer post in game threads, and I can see why.
 
According to ESPN Stats & Info, no player has hit more go-ahead field goals in the final five seconds of the fourth quarter or overtime than Carmelo Anthony since 2003-04.
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Just sayin
 
To get a stop? We dont need a stop. If we get an open dunk, then we have an opportunity for them to make a mistake (TO or missed FT) and if we dont, we can still get the same quality of 3 the next possession. Or take the open layup and see if they make a mistake, and if not we still have an opportunity for 3.

Theres a lot better chance for success there than waiting till the very end to jack up a contested 3.
Exactly, going for 2 actually gave them a chance to win in regulation on the last possession.

If they did @oldmangrouch's approach, the best they could hope for is OT. How is that better?
 
Get with reality man... this team need a miracle the other not to beat an Orlando team without Aaron Gordon... and they were at home off multiple days rest coming off a 3 game losing streak... this team blows... can’t believe you are blind to 3 years evidence that this Dame, CJ, Stotts thing won’t work... what are you on the 10 year plan?!
For the record, @BonesJones has been saying that Stotts is a bad coach for at least 7 months now so it is unfair to paint him as someone who is fine with not making changes.
 
I dont think I'm gonna post much in game threads anymore. A certain group of posters have ruined it. I've noticed a lot of the quality posters on this board no longer post in game threads, and I can see why.

I hope you reconsider. Even when I don't agree with you, your posts provide food for thought.
 
They’ll do something. This team hasn’t really done shit since LMA left. Yes we beat that clippers team that lost their best 2 players but it’s just been meh since

After this year tho with another 1st round exit it’ll be over. Shit it was almost going to be different after that home court advantage dismantling we got so we just gotta tough it out this year then we can look forward to a whole new direction

Honest question, no sarcasm:

Why do you watch the games?
 
Boy tonight I can't believe how many defense assignment was miss. This team is totally clueless how to play defense. Our guards put pressure on the bigs because they totally bad to play there man. I am not leaving one guard either. There no rotation on the weak side help at all. Turner he was 10 feet away from the guy that shot the winning shot in the corner. Am not even going tell I fill about this offense we have just put like this I was shaking my head all game long.
 
I dont think I'm gonna post much in game threads anymore. A certain group of posters have ruined it. I've noticed a lot of the quality posters on this board no longer post in game threads, and I can see why.

I think this has more to do with people wanting to watch the games, rather than respond to people who have an agenda against or for x player.
 
Say what you want about Stotts, but the personnel on this roster has flaws that no amount of scheming will magically turn it into a contender.

Matchup dependent with just an average level IQ and enough guys you can ignore that it makes it really hard on our better offensive players to perform.

Putting the ball in those guys hands isn't going to help either. Spacing, cutting and passing lanes are still compromised which affect Dame and CJ's ability to work off the ball.
Reading the thread after the game, I want to discuss this with everyone who mentioned that this team doesn't have the talent to fix this issue...

Here is just what I could think of off the top of my head:

1) Don't set a screen for Dame. If they are blitzing him off the screens to the point it is shutting down the whole offense I'd rather take my chances with Dame being able to navigate the offense without a pick, especially if he has an average defender like Jamal Murray guarding him. If you noticed during the game the Nuggets often had Millsap guarding the guy they thought was going to set the pick for Dame. For example Millsap was guarding Nurkic and Jokic was on Aminu. If I can see that at home there is no excuse for the coaches not recognizing this. Millsap was great at double teaming Dame in this game.

2) Run pick and roll with someone else as the screener. If guys like Anthony Davis and Paul Millsap are blowing up our offense here's a radical suggestion: don't fucking send the guy that player is guarding to be the one who is setting the screen. For example, when Millsap was guarding Leonard then he should've been the one camped out in the corner at the 3 point line. Instead what do we do? We keep sending the same player to set the screen so that they can double. Unless the other team has multiple long athletic defensive freaks, if we take the disruptive defender out of the play it changes everything. If he helps off of his man too much then you make him pay with a wide open 3 or a baseline cut for a dunk/layup.

3) Play Dame off the ball. What the fuck happened to this concept from the preseason? If Dame doesn't have the ball and you set a screen for him there is no way the defense can double him because if they do it leaves the screener wide open on a roll to the basket. If they switch then you have a mismatch and simply pass Dame the ball and clear out or post up the big on the smaller defender. If one screen doesn't work run him off of multiple screens.

4) Play inside out instead of outside in. You know what would work getting Millsap away from the screens? Make Denver pay for putting him on Nurk. They posted up Nurk on Millsap one of the first plays of the game and he easily scored. I don't remember them going back to him with the mismatch again. Once the entry pass is made some off the ball movement is all that would be needed. Guys like Harkless and Aminu could down the middle or set off the ball picks for Dame and CJ and Nurk could kick it out for open 3's. At some point if Nurk is effective on the block the other team will have to start doubling too.

5) Run the offense through the high post. Nurk had something like 8 assists in the Washington game mostly through good passes from the high post and since then they've barely gone to that play. Denver was overplaying like crazy tonight. The back door cuts would've been there all night and it would have forced them to not play so aggressively.

6) Stop doing hand off passes to Dame and CJ. This was another thing that was really fucking frustrating tonight. Portland's predictable offense when a big has the ball (especially on the side), they almost always wait for Dame or CJ to come so they can just hand the ball off to them and then try to get in his defenders way so he gets open. What Denver would do is just have whatever big was guarding the guy with the ball play over the top so when the ball was handed off there was a defender right in his face blocking his path. You could see the trap coming about 3 seconds before it actually happened. I don't get why we continue to run the offense that way when it is getting shut down.

These are all super basic ideas, most of which have nothing to do with the talent level of the team. Even if it was true that Dame had no help why continue to run the same concepts offensively that don't work in the playoffs?
 
Turner has to be benched or traded. I'm sick of him committing a lazy turnover and then compounding it by fouling on defense when we are in the penalty. I'm also sick of rewinding to see which Blazer left his man alone at the 3 point line when he didn't even leave enough to help and is just lost in no mans land. Several times tonight I thought, "that better not be Turner again," and sure enough it usually was. To be fair this seems to be a team problem but Turner is the main culprit lately. The team is in good defensive position and all of a sudden they just start drifting towards the key aimlessly or got caught turned around and all it takes is a little penetration and a kick out for a wide open 3. Isn't the whole point of Stotts' defensive philosophy to force the other team into taking inefficient mid range shots? Why are we sagging off the 3 point line when there is a big in the key if the ball handler drives? This shit is driving me crazy.

Harkless and Curry probably shouldn't be playing right now. I actually like both of them and I get that game action is the best way to work them into a key role later in the season but they just don't like right and it's painful to watch them run around hoping they snap out of it. Lets just give them some time to get better.

Collins needs to tone it the fuck down. He's playing like Baldwin did last year when he was trying to get into the rotation. You can see a foul coming way before it actually happens. He's all up in the offensive player on the perimeter and is reaching and overusing his arms in the post. He needs to go back to just trying to play straight up. Blocked shots and steals are great but altering shots with good positioning usually leads to a nice positive result too.

Why have we gone back to playing CJ with the 2nd unit, even with Harkless and Curry back from injuries? During the hot start this rarely happened, then we go back to it when Curry sits out and we have been playing crappy ever since?
 
Turner has to be benched or traded. I'm sick of him committing a lazy turnover and then compounding it by fouling on defense when we are in the penalty. I'm also sick of rewinding to see which Blazer left his man alone at the 3 point line when he didn't even leave enough to help and is just lost in no mans land. Several times tonight I thought, "that better not be Turner again," and sure enough it usually was. To be fair this seems to be a team problem but Turner is the main culprit lately. The team is in good defensive position and all of a sudden they just start drifting towards the key aimlessly or got caught turned around and all it takes is a little penetration and a kick out for a wide open 3. Isn't the whole point of Stotts' defensive philosophy to force the other team into taking inefficient mid range shots? Why are we sagging off the 3 point line when there is a big in the key if the ball handler drives? This shit is driving me crazy.

Harkless and Curry probably shouldn't be playing right now. I actually like both of them and I get that game action is the best way to work them into a key role later in the season but they just don't like right and it's painful to watch them run around hoping they snap out of it. Lets just give them some time to get better.

Collins needs to tone it the fuck down. He's playing like Baldwin did last year when he was trying to get into the rotation. You can see a foul coming way before it actually happens. He's all up in the offensive player on the perimeter and is reaching and overusing his arms in the post. He needs to go back to just trying to play straight up. Blocked shots and steals are great but altering shots with good positioning usually leads to a nice positive result too.

Why have we gone back to playing CJ with the 2nd unit, even with Harkless and Curry back from injuries? During the hot start this rarely happened, then we go back to it when Curry sits out and we have been playing crappy ever since?

Unfortunately playing time is based on your salary. Hence why Layman doing fairly well they sit him because he’s a minimum paid guy for a trash player like Harkless.

With Turner it doesn’t matter how bad he is, he’s the 3rd most expensive player after dame and Cj and he’s going to get a lot of playing time regardless. It’s fucked up but that’s just how we operate
 
Unfortunately playing time is based on your salary. Hence why Layman doing fairly well they sit him because he’s a minimum paid guy for a trash player like Harkless.

With Turner it doesn’t matter how bad he is, he’s the 3rd most expensive player after dame and Cj and he’s going to get a lot of playing time regardless. It’s fucked up but that’s just how we operate
No, it's not. Why did Leonard barely play last year then?
 

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