Game Thread GAME# 43: BLAZERS @ MAVERICKS - JANUARY 17, 2020 - FRIDAY, 6:30 PM, ESPN & NBCSNW

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See this is why I don't like having conversations with you. I never tried to tell you how to interpret those situations. I'm simply stating what my opinion is and you call me biased. I'm certainly entitled to my opinion and so are you but that doesn't mean mine is wrong because I don't like the coach.

You don't think you're biased. That's rich. You can have an opinion and i can disagree with that opinion. You certainly do it plenty of times. Here's a suggestion. Don't take it so personally. :bgrin:
 
You don't think you're biased. That's rich. You can have an opinion and i can disagree with that opinion. You certainly do it plenty of times. Here's a suggestion. Don't take it so personally. :bgrin:
Nah man, there is a huge difference between having a discussion with someone and telling someone their opinion is wrong because it's biased. You're basing my bias on the fact that you don't agree with me about the coaching. I don't say your opinion is biased because you like Stotts.
 
I wonder if HJ and Cup were to sit around a campfire and sipped on their beverage of choice if they'd enjoy one another's company and conversations, I think they would. They are both very knowledgable and I have a hunch if they were person to person rather than a forum environment, they'd bond!
 
Nah man, there is a huge difference between having a discussion with someone and telling someone their opinion is wrong because it's biased. You're basing my bias on the fact that you don't agree with me about the coaching. I don't say your opinion is biased because you like Stotts.


Let it go. You and bones are 2 peas in a pod that don't let things go. I'm done. Have at it.
 
I wonder if HJ and Cup were to sit around a campfire and sipped on their beverage of choice if they'd enjoy one another's company and conversations, I think they would. They are both very knowledgable and I have a hunch if they were person to person rather than a forum environment, they'd bond!

Funny thing is, we use to agree on most everything at OL. In addition, I have nothing against hoopsjock as he is who he is, just like I am who i am. There are things we agree on and things we don't
 
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Let it go. You and bones are 2 peas in a pod that don't let things go. I'm done. Have at it.
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By the way, thanks for the popcorn gif!
 
Funny thing is, we use to agree on most everything at OL. In addition, I have nothing against hoopsjock as he is who he is, just like I am who i am. There are things we agree on and things we don't
I remember you guys used to agree on much at OL.
 
Feel like what HJ is describing is more of a "show" coverage, which indeed doesn't require any lateral quickness but still relies on good positioning and timing to avoid the handler splitting and staying attached to the screener to avoid fouling or the handler using the bigs forward momentum to beat him and get downhill. Also need to have the speed and change of direction ability to recover.



Think it's fair to be wary of Hassan's ability to do those things consistently or communicating out of that coverage when necessary.

Definitely an option we could go to though, although I'd be more for it if we had Zach out there who's both a great weakside rim protector but also excellent at help recognition.
 
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When we were all having a conversation and you say something like "I'd love to see you guys coach" or whatever I took that as me being included in that. It's hard not to in that instance since it was pretty obvious what you were talking about. So that is why I called out this particular post while not others that aren't directed at me. I'm not policing what you can say, just trying to state that if you're playing devil's advocate that statements like that don't really help your case.

Fair enough. When I made that statement, you jumped to a few conclusions that were not accurate: When I wrote that post, you personally hadn't crossed my mind. Also, it sounds like you assumed that I would like to see people on here coach because it would be all bad. I don't know if it would be good or bad, I just know it would be very different, which I would like to see.

Ultimately you called me out on a post responding to someone else (not you), which is totally fine. I'd just like to see you be consistent with your outrage because there are plenty of other people on here who think their playing experience makes their opinions superior to others.

I respect your differing opinion and I'm open to you challenging what I say. I understand there will be times I say things that people won't agree with, but isn't that what we want this place to be?
 
KJ, that is not a hedge. Not even close, no matter how you try to justify it as soft or not. Next time I see you I'll try to show you why.

And your post ignores the main two points of my whole post. I'll say them again in hopes that you actually read it this time.

1) Blazers have played this same defense almost exclusively for the last 8 seasons now under Stotts. Multiple different lineups, personnel, and with players more suited for different styles. Plumlee is one of the better hedge bigs in the league and he was mostly forced to drop and not pressure the ball handler in the pick and roll. So when you say Hassan can't do it you are ignoring the previous 7 years.

2) Soft hedges don't always work. Hard hedges don't always work. Traps don't always work. Dropping the big doesn't always work. There is a reason why teams run a lot of pick and roll because it's hard to defend. If I'm the ball handler and I know exactly what the defense is going to do when I call for a screen it makes it easier to attack. If I get a screen and I have no idea if the other team is going to trap me, or soft hedge, or drop coverage, or go under the screen, or go over the screen, or whatever then I have to take a moment to react and think about what I'm going to do next. That split second of having to think versus not having to can be the difference of a turnover or missed shot here or there and could effect a close game if just one possession is altered. I believe the best strategy is to mix it up throughout the game. Just one game prior they did this brilliantly on Harden but the very next game against a player like Luka we don't really attempt to try to take him out of the game? That doesn't make sense to me why we'd just go back to dropping the big. If they would've done that against Houston we would've lost that game.
Here's the site Hoops
Soft hedge
Not sure how much better or how much more decisive this can be for you.
https://www.stack.com/a/defend-ball-screens

It also will show you Blitz/Double team, Hard Hedge, Switch, And Ice Down.

Keep this handy so you don't get confused in the future.

Now if you would like i can also give you some links so you can tell what some different defensive sets are. Just say the word.
 
Feel like what HJ is describing is more of a "show" coverage, which indeed doesn't require any lateral quickness but still relies on good positioning and timing to avoid the handler splitting and staying attached to the screener to avoid fouling or the handler using the the bigs forward momentum to beat him and get downhill. Also need to have the speed and change of direction ability to recover.



Think it's fair to be wary of Hassan's ability to do those things consistently or communicating out of that coverage when necessary.

Definitely an option we could go to though, although I'd be more for it if we had Zach out there who's both a great weakside rim protector but also excellent at help recognition.

He most certainly is not describing a "Soft hedge" or a "Hard hedge". But yes i agree this could very well be an option to use at times.
 
Feel like what HJ is describing is more of a "show" coverage, which indeed doesn't require any lateral quickness but still relies on good positioning and timing to avoid the handler splitting and staying attached to the screener to avoid fouling or the handler using the the bigs forward momentum to beat him and get downhill. Also need to have the speed and change of direction ability to recover.



Think it's fair to be wary of Hassan's ability to do those things consistently or communicating out of that coverage when necessary.

Definitely an option we could go to though, although I'd be more for it if we had Zach out there who's both a great weakside rim protector but also excellent at help recognition.


Very well said.

I don't think there is a defensive coverage where a players mobility shouldn't be factored in and I'm surprised this is even a controversial statement.
 
Feel like what HJ is describing is more of a "show" coverage, which indeed doesn't require any lateral quickness but still relies on good positioning and timing to avoid the handler splitting and staying attached to the screener to avoid fouling or the handler using the bigs forward momentum to beat him and get downhill. Also need to have the speed and change of direction ability to recover.



Think it's fair to be wary of Hassan's ability to do those things consistently or communicating out of that coverage when necessary.

Definitely an option we could go to though, although I'd be more for it if we had Zach out there who's both a great weakside rim protector but also excellent at help recognition.

Yeah, that is definitely what I mean by a soft hedge.

Here's the site Hoops
Soft hedge
Not sure how much better or how much more decisive this can be for you.
https://www.stack.com/a/defend-ball-screens

It also will show you Blitz/Double team, Hard Hedge, Switch, And Ice Down.

Keep this handy so you don't get confused in the future.

Now if you would like i can also give you some links so you can tell what some different defensive sets are. Just say the word.
I don't agree with that site's definition of a hedge. Sagging the big isn't hedging anything it's just dropping back. Sorry if we're simply being caught up in a wording barrier but this definition of "soft hedge" is not at all what I'm meaning.

I don't think there is a defensive coverage where a players mobility shouldn't be factored in and I'm surprised this is even a controversial statement.
1) I would maybe agree with this if the defensive coverage was actually effective but as of right now we're 24th in the league in defensive rating. What harm is there in trying something different? Mixing up coverages just won us a game in Houston.

2) I am super slow moving my feet laterally. I have a tough time keeping someone in front of me on the perimeter. However I am an excellent help defender because I know where I'm supposed to be on the court. Sure if I was faster it would be even better but I'm constantly communicating and navigating teammates through screens or hedging/showing/trapping when I need to. Tolliver has very little lateral quickness and he's been showing on picks late in games, almost like he's doing it out of instinct.
 
Let it go. You and bones are 2 peas in a pod that don't let things go. I'm done. Have at it.
Seriously, what the fuck is your actual problem?

YOU asked ME a question.

I answered YOUR question stating multiple times that it was just my opinion. YOU are free to feel differently, I don't care.

YOU tell ME I'm sensationalizing and biased when I said NOTHING bad about you or your opinion.

But now I'M the ONE who needs to let it go and YOU'RE done?
 
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1) I would maybe agree with this if the defensive coverage was actually effective but as of right now we're 24th in the league in defensive rating. What harm is there in trying something different? Mixing up coverages just won us a game in Houston.

Don't take this as a personal attack, but I think we mix up coverages from game to game more than you think. We don't go from dropping to a double at half court or extreme stuff, but we do make smaller adjustments.
 
A lot of our problem is we half commit on things in defense I see a lot Whiteside does that I also communication is problem twice in late in the game last night where he hedge and I believe it was Trent they both end on the same person but the problem they ended on the person without the ball.
 
A lot of our problem is we half commit on things in defense I see a lot Whiteside does that I also communication is problem twice in late in the game last night where he hedge and I believe it was Trent they both end on the same person but the problem they ended on the person without the ball.
Yep!
 
Don't take this as a personal attack, but I think we mix up coverages from game to game more than you think. We don't go from dropping to a double at half court or extreme stuff, but we do make smaller adjustments.
Completely disagree, but you're certainly able to believe what you want.
 
Seriously, what the fuck is your actual problem?

YOU asked ME a question.

I answered YOUR question stating multiple times that it was just my opinion. YOU are free to feel differently, I don't care.

YOU tell ME I'm sensationalizing and biased when I said NOTHING bad about you or your opinion.

But now I'M the ONE who needs to let it go and YOU'RE done?

Does someone need a hug?

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