Game Thread GAME# 67: BLAZERS @ SPURS - MARCH 15, 2017 - WEDNSDAY, 5:00 PM (PST), ESPN & KGW

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honkicracker said:
Uhhm no? We'd be 2-0 if Portland didn't look like a men's league team against the Pelicans last night.
We're 1-1 on this four game road trip, with games against ALT & MIA left.
Previous game before the Pelicans loss, was also a loss at Moda to the Wiz.
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Um no? This is a FIVE game road trip that started in Phoenix. We are 2-1.
 
barfo said:
Awesome, I finally made First Jerk. Makes all those hours of practice worth it.

barfo
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I've been tanking for a long time...since I'm not a mod, I'm more of a private Jerk....
 
KingSpeed said:
Um no? This is a FIVE game road trip that started in Phoenix. We are 2-1.
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Oh would you look at that i'm wrong.
First time ever on these forums have I been wrong when you quoted me trying to tell me something about basketball.
Doesn't change the main fact about the first post of mine you quoted... You know would have been nice if portland showed up for the pelicans game.
But hey if you want me to say your right. then you have it.
 
honkicracker said:
Oh would you look at that i'm wrong.
First time ever on these forums have I been wrong when you quoted me trying to tell me something about basketball.
Doesn't change the main fact about the first post of mine you quoted... You know would have been nice if portland showed up for the pelicans game.
But hey if you want me to say your right. then you have it.
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Crabbe and CJ were just off. Jet lag, couldn't sleep, whatever, an off night. That's why the playoffs are 7 are series. You can have an off game and still win the series and advance. One off night doesn't end your postseason (like college).
 
OMG!!!!!!! We WON 110-106834.jpg Get the Demons off our Back!
 
Natebishop3 said:
Who is you talkin about?

barfo? Jerk.
Sly? Jerk.
Wheels? Jerk. (huge jerk)
JFizz? (likes country... who likes country??)
Denny? Pretty sure he's the next Unabomber.
Stren? I'm pretty sure he's just your second account so you can like your own posts. I have never seen you both in the same room at the same time.
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@Strenuus is @SlyPokerDog in Swedish.
 
Paulus said:
Well , I wake up for that Pelicans crap and I don't wake up for Spurs and they win . Crazy team.
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What we have learned from this post; Sleep and watch the replay when you wake up and the Blazers will win.

Shall we test the theory?
 
honkicracker said:
Uhhm no? We'd be 2-0 if Portland didn't look like a men's league team against the Pelicans last night.
We're 1-1 on this four game road trip, with games against ALT & MIA left.
Previous game before the Pelicans loss, was also a loss at Moda to the Wiz.
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Can I get my tax money back that went to whatever education system taught math? :D (before I get a lengthy PM, this is just kidding and not being disrespectful)
 
I think the playing rotation with Nurk needs to change a bit. He can't seem to sustain playing at our pace for more than 4 minute stretches without getting completely gassed. Like 4 in, 2 out, 4 in, 2 out, etc throughout the game. Forget about lineups and who he's with at the time -- just keep him on the floor for 32 mpg.

Stotts needs to go back to his time with Carlisle and see how the rotations were handled then. Dirk/Tyson/Kidd/Terry/etc all were on a similar regimen. Centers these days just don't seem to play all that many minutes. Currently, he's averaging 29.8 mpg with us, and that would put him at #11 among all centers for mpg. Gasol leads the league at an ungodly 34.4 mpg.
 
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I watched the game last night, but was without an internet connection. I read through this game thread this morning and while largely predictable, one thing I've been noticing lately is there seems to be a lot of pro-Lillard C.J. bashing going on and a lot of pro-C.J. Lillard bashing also occurring.

Has the whole Dame and C.J. can't coexist narrative become so deeply ingrained into our collective subconscious that many of us are choosing sides? It sure seems that way, which is ironic as with both players playing like we did last night, no one actually brings up that narrative - at least temporarily.

It seems like whenever we lose a game, all we here is about how we can never win with our current backcourt. And, then we have a game last night, where both players play well and we beat one of the best teams in the league on the road and the Dame and C.J. can't co-exist crowd goes silent. At least until we lose again.

Personally, I'm in the Can Co-Exist (with the right players around them) Camp. Nurkic was a great pickup, but I think we also need to upgrade both starting forward positions. Nurkic's scoring helps alleviate the need for one of the forwards to be a reliable 3rd option on offense, as I think Nurkic can become that, if he's not already. So, what I think we need are two very good defenders at the forward spots that aren't offensive zeros. In addition to defense, at least one of them needs to be an above average 3-point shooter and one, likely the PF needs to be an above average rebounder.

So, rather than looking to split up our backcourt (which looked damn good last night against one of the top defenses in the league), I'd look at upgrading the starting forward positions.

I'd also look to hire a lead assistant, or better still an associate head coach that specializes in defense. He's already a head coach elsewhere, but someone like Mike Budenholzer. He came up through the Spurs ranks and if you look at the advanced defensive metrics, ATL has one of the top 5 or 6 defenses in the league, and he turned Paul Millap, at the age of 31, into a legitimate contender for DPOY last season. So, is there anyone else in the Spurs organization we could poach to help improve our defense. I mean shit, if they can turn little Patty Mills into a damn decent defender (although you wouldn't have know it last night), there has to be hope for Dame and C.J. I don't think it's just about physical ability/size with Dame and C.J. I think they need to be taught to play defense the right way and be held accountable when they don't. Who can we tap for that role?

BNM
 
yuyuza1 said:
I think the playing rotation with Nurk needs to change a bit. He can't seem to sustain playing at our pace for more than 4 minute stretches. Like 4 in, 2 out, 4 in, 2 out, etc throughout the game. Forget about lineups and who he's with at the time -- just keep him on the floor for 32 mpg.

Stotts needs to go back to his time with Carlisle and see how the rotations were handled then. Dirk/Tyson/Kidd/Terry/etc all were on a similar regimen.
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I disagree. Those guys you mention were all old. Nurk isn't old. He's just not in optimal game shape. I say we keep pushing him exactly like we are.

He was racking up DNP-CDs in DEN and getting less than 18 MPG when he did play. He was not in game shape when he came here, and I'm a firm believer that the best way to get in game shape is to play real game minutes. It will take a while, but he'll get there. I think he does OK when he has a day off to recover in between games, but right now is struggling in the second of back to back games. Still, a gassed Nurk is better than a rested Meyers. So, let him continue to play his way into shape. Every game you push his endurance will put him closer to being able to play 35 minutes a night.

Get him in shape now and we'll reap the rewards in the playoffs. Remember, there are no back to back games in the playoffs and often 2, 3, or sometimes 4 days off between games. With plenty of time to recover between games and no legitimate back up center, we want to be able to get 38 - 40 productive minutes a game out of Nurkic in the post season. Push him hard now, like Stotts did last night, and he'll get there.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
I disagree. Those guys you mention were all old. Nurk isn't old. He's just not in optimal game shape. I say we keep pushing him exactly like we are.

He was racking up DNP-CDs in DEN and getting less than 18 MPG when he did play. He was not in game shape when he came here, and I'm a firm believer that the best way to get in game shape is to play real game minutes. It will take a while, but he'll get there. I think he does OK when he has a day off to recover in between games, but right now is struggling in the second of back to back games. Still, a gassed Nurk is better than a rested Meyers. So, let him continue to play his way into shape. Every game you push his endurance will put him closer to being able to play 35 minutes a night.

Get him in shape now and we'll reap the rewards in the playoffs. Remember, there are no back to back games in the playoffs and often 2, 3, or sometimes 4 days off between games. With plenty of time to recover between games and no legitimate back up center, we want to be able to get 38 - 40 productive minutes a game out of Nurkic in the post season. Push him hard now, like Stotts did last night, and he'll get there.

BNM
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Edited my post after to add the current MPG for centers this season. 35 mpg these days is just unheard of. It's a huge load on guys that big and way too physically taxing. Not to mention the foul trouble usually prevents them from ever playing that much.

The Dallas example is with old players, but it does give some sorta template to get the most out of a guys from their time on the court without potentially risking injury.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Edited my post after to add the current MPG for centers this season. 35 mpg these days is just unheard of. It's a huge load on guys that big and way too physically taxing. Not to mention the foul trouble usually prevents them from ever playing that much.

The Dallas example is with old players, but it does give some sorta template to get the most out of a guys from their time on the court without potentially risking injury.
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Aldridge is nearly as big as Nurkic. He plays fewer minutes now, because he's older and Poop never plays any of his players big minutes, but Aldridge averaged over 35 MPG his last seven years in POR without any serious injury issues.

Nurkic is just 22 and eager to play big minutes. After riding the pine in DEN, he's loving it. Injuries can occur anytime. It's not like Nurk is worn down from plating big minutes over an entire 82 game schedule. For the season he's played half as many minutes as Dame and C.J. Hell, Allen Crabbe has played 800 more minutes than Nurk, and nobody is talking about restricting his minutes. Let the big kid continue to play his way into shape. He's loving it, and as I said, we're better with a gassed Nurk in the game than a rested Meyers.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
Aldridge is nearly as big as Nurkic. He plays fewer minutes now, because he's older and Poop never plays any of his players big minutes, but Aldridge averaged over 35 MPG his last seven years in POR without any serious injury issues.

Nurkic is just 22 and eager to play big minutes. After riding the pine in DEN, he's loving it. Injuries can occur anytime. It's not like Nurk is worn down from plating big minutes over an entire 82 game schedule. For the season he's played half as many minutes as Dame and C.J. Hell, Allen Crabbe has played 800 more minutes than Nurk, and nobody is talking about restricting his minutes. Let the big kid continue to play his way into shape. He's loving it, and as I said, we're better with a gassed Nurk in the game than a rested Meyers.

BNM
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I didn't say play him half the game. I'm saying keep on playing him minutes-- just give him more breaks so his effectiveness doesn't drop as a result of fatigue. 4 in, 2 out for a whole game = 32 mpg.
 
yuyuza1 said:
I didn't say play him half the game. I'm saying keep on playing him minutes-- just give him more breaks so his effectiveness doesn't drop as a result of fatigue. 4 in, 2 out for a whole game = 32 mpg.
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Hard to get into any kind of rhythm only playing 4 minutes at a time. Is there anyone in the league that plays all their minutes in short spurts like that?

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
Hard to get into any kind of rhythm only playing 4 minutes at a time. Is there anyone in the league that plays all their minutes in short spurts like that?

BNM
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Well the Dallas guys I gave an example of, for one. Digging through to see if I can find current examples with younger players. Prolly easier to do for vets.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Well the Dallas guys I gave an example of, for one. Digging through to see if I can find current examples with younger players. Prolly easier to do for vets.
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I don't recall Dirk ever playing 4 on 2 off for an entire game, or at all really.

BNM
 
They should put Aldridge back on leave, his heart has to be hurting real bad now
 
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