GT: New Jersey Nets vs. Phoenix Suns

[GMJ]

Devin Harris is not looking good at all and Boone keeps getting abused. And Why didn't Najera play with it most mattered in the game?

Boone played against Amare and Shaq

Najera didn't play when it mattered the most, because when it matters the most you don't put your 5th string bigman in the game

 

[Claud]

Boone played against Amare and Shaq

Najera didn't play when it mattered the most, because when it matters the most you don't put your 5th string bigman in the game

Najera could have done a better job guarding Amare than Yi/Anderson/Boone
He actually could have helped us win.

 

[MaxaMillion711]

lesson for tonight

NEVER take vince out of the game cause thats when the opposition pulls ahead

 

[GMJ]

Najera could have done a better job guarding Amare than Yi/Anderson/Boone
He actually could have helped us win.

haha that's great if you think that Najera is going to lockdown a talent like Amare.

By the way, Amare only scored 14 points tonight. He's not the reason we lost.

 

[Claud]

haha that's great if you think that Najera is going to lockdown a talent like Amare.

By the way, Amare only scored 14 points tonight. He's not the reason we lost.

I'm not saying he is going to shut him down, of course not. At least he could have done a better job holding his ground and making him take harder shots which would have eliminated the double-teams in some plays, therefore no open 3s for them.

 

[Belarus]

still bitter about this loss, but at least can take it. we knew it's not going to be easy. it's hard to expect a win against league's top-5 team. hopefully, by the AS break we gel a little bit and will battle for all 4 quarters instead of 2. at this point we must take wins in games we have a shot. obviously, against our next opponent we have no chances

 

[DynastYWarrioR6]

Can someone give me a summary of Yi's game? I'm trying to keep tabs on all the Chinese players since there are so few of us playing in the league

 

[GMJ]

I'm not saying he is going to shut him down, of course not. At least he could have done a better job holding his ground and making him take harder shots which would have eliminated the double-teams in some plays, therefore no open 3s for them.

If you think Eddie Najera can guard Amare without requiring a double team I don't know what to tell you.

 

[Claud]

Can someone give me a summary of Yi's game? I'm trying to keep tabs on all the Chinese players since there are so few of us playing in the league

He started slow but in the 2nd quarter got in the zone and played real good in the 2nd quarter. He made some shots, drove to the basket, got fouled, played with intensity and battled for the boards with Amare( Even got a block). IMO he was our best player tonight.

Still a bit weak on defense though

 

[Belarus]

Can someone give me a summary of Yi's game? I'm trying to keep tabs on all the Chinese players since there are so few of us playing in the league

looked like he was trying to force an issue, and not always successful. did not shot well from the field, did not defend well either (though no one on this team could defend Shaq & Amare). overall, Yi looked decent, but nothing spectacular.

 

[Claud]

If you think Eddie Najera can guard Amare without requiring a double team I don't know what to tell you.

I'm not saying that! I'm just saying that he is more experienced, can play better and smarter at the defensive end than our young bigs against a stud like Amare. Therefore, giving us a better chance of winning the game, that is all.

 

[footswalker]

I'd just like to add that I had the over 201 on this game. So I lost by one. About 15 different missed layups or open jumpers could have gotten me there. They had 75 points with over 4 minutes left in the third. And this stupid team can't get me more than 11 points in 16 minutes? Are you kidding me? I really am starting to hate this team. This season is going to be endless.

 

[GMJ]

I'm not saying that! I'm just saying that he is more experienced, can play better and smarter at the defensive end than our young bigs against a stud like Amare. Therefore, giving us a better chance of winning the game, that is all.

He wouldn't have made a difference, because Amare was not the reason we lost, and he's not that much better defensively than the guys who we put out there, as Amare only had 14 points. Najera is the 5th big on that depth chart, he's there for a reason.

 

[Claud]

He wouldn't have made a difference, because Amare was not the reason we lost, and he's not that much better defensively than the guys who we put out there, as Amare only had 14 points. Najera is the 5th big on that depth chart, he's there for a reason.

The fact that Amare and Shaq got doubled gave the suns' players wide open shots. So indirectly, he was a factor to their victory.

 

[kobimel]

The fact that Amare and Shaq got doubled gave the suns' players wide open shots. So indirectly, he was a factor to their victory.

But the point is that Najera wouldn't have made a difference either way. Amare and Shaq demand double teams against nearly every team. Najera's being a vet doesn't mean he can stop/contain/slow down either of them.

 

[MaxaMillion711]

Especially Wince Carter, AKA Half Man, Half an ankle.

 

[kobimel]

Every time Vince goes up for a layup, gets touched by a defender/teammate or runs I'm surprised he doesn't get injured. He seems like he's made of glass out there. Luckily they've all been minor injuries so far.

 

[Claud]

But the point is that Najera wouldn't have made a difference either way. Amare and Shaq demand double teams against nearly every team. Najera's being a vet doesn't mean he can stop/contain/slow down either of them.

I understand that. But I would like to think he would have done a better job than our young bigs defending those two. I'm not saying we would have won, but he would have given us a better chance IMO.

 

[MaxaMillion711]

Every time Vince goes up for a layup, gets touched by a defender/teammate or runs I'm surprised he doesn't get injured. He seems like he's made of glass out there. Luckily they've all been minor injuries so far.

hes missed 9 games since joining the nets?

but yes, you are right. he reacts when getting hit and it does look a little over dramatic for what it is. at the same time, he gets zero credit from the fans for playing through this minor hits and bruises and finger jams or whatever. hes still out there playing and people act like he doesnt care.

i would think fans would like vince for being out there playing through it but apparently....ehhh not so much.

 

[kobimel]

hes missed 9 games since joining the nets?

but yes, you are right. he reacts when getting hit and it does look a little over dramatic for what it is. at the same time, he gets zero credit from the fans for playing through this minor hits and bruises and finger jams or whatever. hes still out there playing and people act like he doesnt care.

i would think fans would like vince for being out there playing through it but apparently....ehhh not so much.

I definitely love the fact that he plays through his injuries. My only problem is that he keeps getting them. I know he's been durable since joining the Nets and that's great but it doesn't change the fact that he's been grimacing after dunks, drops to the floor, getting hit on the hand, etc. which makes me worried that one of these days he won't be able to play through those injuries anymore.

 

[MaxaMillion711]

I definitely love the fact that he plays through his injuries. My only problem is that he keeps getting them. I know he's been durable since joining the Nets and that's great but it doesn't change the fact that he's been grimacing after dunks, drops to the floor, getting hit on the hand, etc. which makes me worried that one of these days he won't be able to play through those injuries anymore.

your right about that. and only time will tell. i hope he doesnt get seriously injured.

 

[GMJ]

I understand that. But I would like to think he would have done a better job than our young bigs defending those two. I'm not saying we would have won, but he would have given us a better chance IMO.

Well I'd like to think a lot of things but that doesn't make it realistic. If Frank is calling for double-teams with Boone, Lopez, Sean, Ryan, Yi (wait, I guess that makes Najera the 6th big) he's still going to do it with Najera.

You're grabbing on to the idea that Najera has played longer than these young players and are just running wild with it

 

[Claud]

Well I'd like to think a lot of things but that doesn't make it realistic. If Frank is calling for double-teams with Boone, Lopez, Sean, Ryan, Yi (wait, I guess that makes Najera the 6th big) he's still going to do it with Najera.

You're grabbing on to the idea that Najera has played longer than these young players and are just running wild with it

I understand what you are saying. Great pic btw

 

[No.1]

Do you know how rebuilding works?

This board has turned me from a Frank-hater to a Frank-supporter, sheesh.

I understand you. Can't blame Frank for this game.


The question all season is despite the rebuilding...will this team listen to this guy's philosophy...and there's no excuses since this team is supposed to be built around what Frank wants. So far, it remains uncertain since it's only three games.

 

[#1_War_Poet_ForLife]

hes missed 9 games since joining the nets?

but yes, you are right. he reacts when getting hit and it does look a little over dramatic for what it is. at the same time, he gets zero credit from the fans for playing through this minor hits and bruises and finger jams or whatever. hes still out there playing and people act like he doesnt care.

i would think fans would like vince for being out there playing through it but apparently....ehhh not so much.

Half-man half an effort.

 

[danxcr]

well i just finished watchin the game... lol... well it was a solid first 3 quarters... but then we just died... btw... we need to finish quarters off BETTER.... we arent closing it out... we get lazy and lost and our opponents just light us up :/... hope we do better vs AI and the pistons

 

[MaxaMillion711]

Half-man half an effort.

dont make me post the haterade pic again

 

[GMJ]

lol I love how posting on this forum has made it so fun for me to 1) bash Vince, and 2) support Frank as head coach, when I actually support Vince on this team, and don't want Frank as head coach.

 

[networks]

You mean live Vince Carter?

I was getting really pissed. Bell was on fire. 6-6 from the 3pt line.

 

[FOMW]

I was getting really pissed. Bell was on fire. 6-6 from the 3pt line.

Not to single you out, but this is the kind of statement that really annoys me because it reflects a total lack of understanding (or at least acknowledgment) of team defensive concepts and that those shots opened up because Phoenix bigs (O'Neal especially) completely overmatched our bigs. Bell's sensational 3-point shooting night has almost nothing to do with VC's individual defense (which has been quite good this season). You have to look at what Vince's other responsibilities were, where he had gone to help immediately before Bell shot, and who had the responsibility of rotating to Bell on a particular open shot. Without checking my Tivo, I can think of only one instance where a Bell 3 was Vince's fault, and it was the one where VC overreacted to left baseline penetration to close the lane, wound up double covering with Yi and leaving Bell open in the opposite corner, who of course had the ball swung to him from the penetrating player and swished a wide open 3. That's a mistake by the guy guarding Bell but at least one committed out of alert (and legitimate) concern for an advantage that was being gained on the opposite side of the floor.

Without a doubt, the most consistently shallow critiques offered on these boards is the notion that an opponent "went off" because the guy ostensibly (if not actually) guarding him did a poor job. Sometimes that's the case, but most times it's not. The elite players in the NBA are far too talented/physically gifted and the foul rules far too favorable towards offensive players for strict man-to-man defense to have any hope of efficacy against ANY team. ALL defenses rob Peter to pay Paul, use players off the ball to shade or zone toward the player with the ball (or toward the player next in line to receive it), and thus inherently relinquish high quality shots to any team that can put offensive threats in spread positions on the floor and can keep moving the ball rapidly, eventually capitalizing on the truth that no man can run as fast the ball can be passed.