How do we get Simons more minutes?

[wizenheimer]

Seth Curry played SF for 16% of his time last season. .

that's according to bbref and I don't believe it at all. Curry didn't spend 224 minutes at SF while Turner wasn't playing a single minute at the position. And CJ didn't spend 29% of his time at SF either; that would mean he played 690 minutes there. So then, according to bbref, CJ spent 20 games worth of his time at SF. That's just loony-tunes. 82games says Curry spent 2% of the time as Portland's SF and CJ spent none. Meanwhile Turner spent 75% of his time at SF. That matches what I saw

'you are what you can defend' is the controlling factor. On those rare occasions at the end of a game when Dame-CJ-Curry were all on the floor together, Dame was the most likely to defend the SF because of his lower body strength. And that was only when the other team had a SF on the floor. Most times, both teams would have 3 guard lineups

Simons isn't big enough, strong enough, or experienced enough...yet... to get any consistent minutes at SF unless the other team is running a 3 guard lineup

 

[Orion Bailey]

Make the games 60 minutes long instead of 48.

 

[SIeepwalker]

Make the games 60 minutes long instead of 48.

They tried it for one game in the playoffs last year, but players were getting too tired and missing shots

 

[kjironman1]

He's not doing much more than score right now, but he looks more comfortable each game. Now is the time during the season to see what he's got and let him make more mistakes, but Terry seems to have a quick hook with him. He's lost on defense frequently, but the only way for him to learn is to play. Scoring wise, he looks so smooth and reminds me exactly of Lou Williams.

I think the rotation now is for Ant to get PG minutes whenever Dame sits, and on occasion he plays WITH Dame. But 17 mpg is just too few I feel.

Can we play him at SF next to Dame/CJ for a few minutes?

He's getting plenty of minutes in my book. Sees the floor every game does some good some bad against the second unit. Just about right.

 

[Labinot41]

I want to see at least 36 Minutes for Anfernee on monday against the Warriors, if not more

 

[Lanny]

I knew someone would post this bullshit. Platy used those EXACT STATS to conclude that "Neither (of their stats) were particularly good". I pointed out that this was wrong.

"Sample Size" has zero to do with the discussion.

#ReadTheThreadThenPost

Try a different tone for better results.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Try a different tone for better results.

no need.

 

[Chris Craig]

He will get them now that Hoods out

 

[Orion Bailey]

Put stilts on him and start him at center?

 

[Orion Bailey]

He will get them now that Hoods out

any word on how long? Last i read/heard is he is sore all over, but don't know if he has an a actual injury or if he is just hurt.

 

[B-Roy]

So about that...

 

[tester551]

So about that...

He should be getting more of CJ minutes

 

[B-Roy]

He should be getting more of CJ minutes

he should, but that’s the inherent problem.

 

[blazerfan11]

It's Aminu vs Collins all over again. It's going to be years. Look at tonight's game. Ant takes 12 shots and gets 20 points, playing 24 minutes. McCollum has a good/great game by his standards this season plays 42 minutes, takes 23 shots for 23 points.
It's insanity not playing a really serious perhaps Klay Thompson/ Ray Allen level shooting guard and instead we play CJ McCollum who's not shooting well at all.
If Ant can't get more minutes than CJ now, it's never going to happen. CJ can't be much worse.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

It's Aminu vs Collins all over again. It's going to be years. Look at tonight's game. Ant takes 12 shots and gets 20 points, playing 24 minutes. McCollum has a good/great game by his standards this season plays 42 minutes, takes 23 shots for 23 points.
It's insanity not playing a really serious perhaps Klay Thompson/ Ray Allen level shooting guard and instead we play CJ McCollum who's not shooting well at all.
If Ant can't get more minutes than CJ now, it's never going to happen. CJ can't be much worse.

Personally Im not sure anfernee is ready for 30+ minutes a night, he looks gassed quite often bu the end of his 6-8 minutes stints as he gets stronger and his body matures he’ll get more minutes.

 

[illmatic99]

I'm waiting for Ant to get scouted. ATL started trapping him a bit, but Dame staying on the floor helped a lot. The level of trust Dame has in him already has to be a huge boost of confidence.

 

[julius]

It's Aminu vs Collins all over again. It's going to be years. Look at tonight's game. Ant takes 12 shots and gets 20 points, playing 24 minutes. McCollum has a good/great game by his standards this season plays 42 minutes, takes 23 shots for 23 points.
It's insanity not playing a really serious perhaps Klay Thompson/ Ray Allen level shooting guard and instead we play CJ McCollum who's not shooting well at all.
If Ant can't get more minutes than CJ now, it's never going to happen. CJ can't be much worse.

Really? If he can't get it now, its NEVER going to happen?

 

[beast blazer]

Paste a picture of jason quick onto the basketball.

 

[blazerfan11]

Really? If he can't get it now, its NEVER going to happen?

If CJ is on this team, yes, I think it's never going to happen that Ant is a starter and averages more minutes than CJ.

What do you think? Suddenly Stotts wakes up and puts a guy making $30 million on the bench? You think that's going to happen?

edit: The alternative of it never happening is that it happens at some point. You tell me the scenario where CJ is still on the team down the line and somehow Anfernee Simons becomes a starter.
CJ is on a contract that pays him $35 million 4 seasons after this one.
Anfernee Simons is on a contract that pays him $5.7 million 3 seasons after this one.

 

[illmatic99]

 

[mook]

Even with him on fire he was almost giving up as many points on defense as he was creating. That part of his game will come, but I can understand why he wasn't cutting into CJ's minutes. If you give Ant all the minutes he can handle before he develops good defensive habits, it's not always good for the player in the long run.

That said, if we can figure out a way to salvage our season by trading CJ for a decent 3/4, sign me up. Ant is definitely a starting caliber SG.

 

[illmatic99]

Ant is definitely a starting caliber SG.

.... already. I think his ceiling is higher than I initially expected, even to start this year after the hype from Neil.

I'm thinking he'll make a few all star teams during his Blazer tenure if he keeps up a similar trajectory. Am I off base here? I think a pairing of Dame-Ant (at his peak or in the not too distant future) is better than a pairing of Dame-CJ.

 

[mook]

Given his natural sense of the game, I definitely think he has all star potential.

Statistically, this season over his first 10 games he compares extremely favorably to CJ's second season, especially when you factor in that Ant is 3 years younger.

Ant is basically our only above average starter besides Dame and CJ. We have to get him on the court a lot more.

 

[mook]

He even compares almost even with CJ in CJ's 3 season when he was given the starting role. That's pretty impressive given there's 4 years age difference, and the last time Ant played significant minutes on a team was in high school.

CJ basically had 6 years (4 college, 2 pro) of higher level organized ball and really wasn't that much better than Ant this year, at least per 36 minutes.

 

[illmatic99]

Given his natural sense of the game, I definitely think he has all star potential.

Statistically, this season over his first 10 games he compares extremely favorably to CJ's second season, especially when you factor in that Ant is 3 years younger.

Ant is basically our only above average starter besides Dame and CJ. We have to get him on the court a lot more.

I wonder how sustainable this is, but young SGs don't shoot this well from the field this early in their careers. Even Brad Beal (this is my Ant comp) took til like year 4, age 22, to reach 44%.

I think we can put Ant's ceiling somewhere in the top tier SG range. Beal/Klay/OKC Harden, etc. He's already 10th among SGs in PER.

 

[Natebishop3]

Trade CJ.

Start Ant.

This frees up more minutes for Baze and potentially Little.

 

[mook]

We can't trade CJ until Dec 15, right?

 

[illmatic99]

We can't trade CJ until Dec 15, right?

I think it's Jan 29 actually, he signed his extension on 7/29/19 : https://www.nba.com/trade-deadline-explained

If a player signs a contract extension for a longer period, a higher amount, or higher annual increases than would be permitted for an extension-and-trade, then the team is prohibited from trading the player for a period of six months following the date of the extension

 

[hoopsjock]

Even with him on fire he was almost giving up as many points on defense as he was creating. That part of his game will come, but I can understand why he wasn't cutting into CJ's minutes. If you give Ant all the minutes he can handle before he develops good defensive habits, it's not always good for the player in the long run.

That said, if we can figure out a way to salvage our season by trading CJ for a decent 3/4, sign me up. Ant is definitely a starting caliber SG.

I mentioned this in the game thread but if we're comparing Simons to Dame and CJ, how many times did they have to guard Trae Young on an island last night? Simons hasn't been hidden on defense like Dame and CJ often are so I'm not worried about the defense as long as he's giving max effort on that end and improving, which I think he has so far in just 10 games.

 

[B-Roy]

I mentioned this in the game thread but if we're comparing Simons to Dame and CJ, how many times did they have to guard Trae Young on an island last night? Simons hasn't been hidden on defense like Dame and CJ often are so I'm not worried about the defense as long as he's giving max effort on that end and improving, which I think he has so far in just 10 games.

It helps that he has better tools than CJ. Ant is 6'4 with a 6'9 wingspan. CJ is 6'3 with a 6'6 wingspan. And that's without even mentioning the quickness and footspeed. Ant definitely moves better laterally than CJ (or even Dame for that matter). With Anfernee, I'm more just concerned about developing good habits, being smart, and putting more muscle on that frame so he doesn't get pushed around as easily by bigger guards.