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mook said:
Nurkic has been flat-out garbage in the post. If he's scoring on 30% of those possessions I'd be shocked. He's just a horrible offensive player if he can't see the rim. Perhaps he just lacks a certain sense of spatial awareness that's innate in most bigs in the NBA. It's not like he's rushing things in there--the timing looks good to me. He just doesn't seem to know where the hoop is until he sees it.

He fucks up in the post by blowing easy shots or turning it over, and it leads to him getting frustrated and it impacts his defense, rebounding, everything.

A guy as big as he is knows he can out-muscle anyone, so it's going to be hard to deliver this simple truth to him. But he's an absolutely fantastic pick-and-roll player, and a great passer out of the high post where he can face up and see the action on the court. If he's got his back to the basket and he's holding the ball, he should be looking for cutters or open men on the wing. He should maximize his fantastic court vision, not his terrible feel for the rim.

The good news is he sucks at doing something that doesn't really matter much anymore in the NBA. It's a pick-and-roll league, and we're a pick-and-roll team. We need to end this "let's run a post up play for Nurk" thing ASAP. Between him, CJ and Dame pick-and-roll action, there are just so many better offensive options.
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Nah. He’s just young. He’ll figure it out.
 
Nurk did one really good thing against the Pacers...he didn't get a flagrant 2 foul when you know he wanted to vent.....he held back his anger at bad calls and played on.....better he had subpar numbers and can play against the Bucks than he gets suspended for a game. He's growing up.
 
He's rushing on the block a bit. Seems to be going one move and up instead of going to a secondary move, like last year. Rifht now he's playing a bit like a more skilled Thomas Robinson down low.

He may be overhyping himself for a new contract. He'll be fine
 
Mediocre Man said:
He's rushing on the block a bit. Seems to be going one move and up instead of going to a secondary move, like last year. Rifht now he's playing a bit like a more skilled Thomas Robinson down low.
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I think that's true. He seemed to have slowed up a bit in the 2nd half and it helped. He will settle down.
 
I wish we had Chris Kaman working with him. You can tell Nurk is mostly trying to figure it out on his own and hasn't developed enough nuance and variety in his post game.
 
Man I cringe when Nurk has the ball in the post in an iso situation. He’s really wild down there with his weird post moves..
 
GrandJury said:
Man I cringe when Nurk has the ball in the post in an iso situation. He’s really wild down there with his weird post moves..
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It really is painful. In terms of guys I like seeing post up, it's:
1. Ed Davis (because he basically only takes shots that work, and if it won't he'll give it up and the ball keeps moving)
2. Evan Turn (he's just abusing smaller guys. This is pretty much the only way he can run our offense, and he does it so well.)
3. Lillard (he does it on small guards occasionally, and is smart enough to only use it when it'll work)
4. Mo Harkless (he's just surprisingly strong for a guy with his build. I noticed he's actually got bigger, more well-defined arms than Aminu now--the dude clearly has been lifting.)
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5. Nurkic (come on dude, just pass it out and get the pick-and-roll going. You have your bread, you have your butter, and you have chocolate-coated sardines dipped in tapioca. Nobody wants the chocolate coated sardines dipped in tapioca. Gimme some a that delicious, toasty pick and roll.)
 
mook said:
It really is painful. In terms of guys I like seeing post up, it's:
1. Ed Davis (because he basically only takes shots that work, and if it won't he'll give it up and the ball keeps moving)
2. Evan Turn (he's just abusing smaller guys. This is pretty much the only way he can run our offense, and he does it so well.)
3. Lillard (he does it on small guards occasionally, and is smart enough to only use it when it'll work)
4. Mo Harkless (he's just surprisingly strong for a guy with his build. I noticed he's actually got bigger, more well-defined arms than Aminu now--the dude clearly has been lifting.)
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5. Nurkic (come on dude, just pass it out and get the pick-and-roll going. You have your bread, you have your butter, and you have chocolate-coated sardines dipped in tapioca. Nobody wants the chocolate coated sardines dipped in tapioca. Gimme some a that delicious, toasty pick and roll.)
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nope, he needs to develop his game as much as possible, even if it takes mistakes and bad games, cause it will benefit the team long term... limiting your player is the stupidest thing you can do and they did it with him in DEN
 
Mr. Robot said:
nope, he needs to develop his game as much as possible, even if it takes mistakes and bad games, cause it will benefit the team long term... limiting your player is the stupidest thing you can do and they did it with him in DEN
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Is that really where it went wrong in Denver? I just don't remember them ever having any good guards who can run pick-and-rolls. It wasn't that they limited his creativity--they just didn't have the pieces to do the one thing Nurkic is really, really good at.

I'm fine with them running a low post ISO every couple games for Nurk. Eventually maybe he becomes good at it with several seasons of practice. But it's definitely not something you run several times a night. It's like watching Dwight Howard trying to prove a point out there--painful and embarrassing.

This is Dame and CJ's prime, man. They are pick-and-roll guards, and the team's stars. We're fighting for playing at home in the playoffs. Nurk post-ups aren't ready for prime time yet. They weren't in Denver, they weren't last year, and they've looked terrible so far. Take it back in the shop and go back to doing what works.
 
mook said:
Is that really where it went wrong in Denver? I just don't remember them ever having any good guards who can run pick-and-rolls. It wasn't that they limited his creativity--they just didn't have the pieces to do the one thing Nurkic is really, really good at.

I'm fine with them running a low post ISO every couple games for Nurk. Eventually maybe he becomes good at it with several seasons of practice. But it's definitely not something you run several times a night. It's like watching Dwight Howard trying to prove a point out there--painful and embarrassing.

This is Dame and CJ's prime, man. They are pick-and-roll guards, and the team's stars. We're fighting for playing at home in the playoffs. Nurk post-ups aren't ready for prime time yet. They weren't in Denver, they weren't last year, and they've looked terrible so far. Take it back in the shop and go back to doing what works.
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You're wrong.
 
dviss1 said:
You're wrong.
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I'm not. Last year we ran 3 post ups per game through Nurk. He turned it over 1/3 of the time, and he averaged less than a point per possession. That's pretty bad. He's just not good at it.

Getting skinnier hasn't made him better at it--if anything it's made it worse.

There are so many things going right with this team that this is really a pretty glaring area where we're going the wrong way.
 
mook said:
I'm not. Last year we ran 3 post ups per game through Nurk. He turned it over 1/3 of the time, and he averaged less than a point per possession. That's pretty bad. He's just not good at it.

Getting skinnier hasn't made him better at it--if anything it's made it worse.

There are so many things going right with this team that this is really a pretty glaring area where we're going the wrong way.
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What you're wrong about is whether or not we should be doing it. It needs to be an option. He'll only get better at it.
 
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mook said:
I'm not. Last year we ran 3 post ups per game through Nurk. He turned it over 1/3 of the time, and he averaged less than a point per possession. That's pretty bad. He's just not good at it.

Getting skinnier hasn't made him better at it--if anything it's made it worse.

There are so many things going right with this team that this is really a pretty glaring area where we're going the wrong way.
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Which do you want: dominant, heavy, and constantly injured or light, mediocre, and always available?
 
Driew said:
True but he did have a resemblance of a post game as a rookie but that disappeared quickly after his rookie season.
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No he absolutely did not. He was a pick and roll guy. NEVER had a post move ever...
 
dviss1 said:
No he absolutely did not. He was a pick and roll guy. NEVER had a post move ever...
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Well he did some post "moves" that resembled a post game. I don't think he knew what he was actually doing though haha
 
Jusuf will want to forget October, but November has been treating him very well!

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If Nurk averages 24/8/3 he'll be an all-star. Even 18/8/2.5 will be great for us in general.
 
I think he can average 10 Reb a game. But what he has done last 3 games though been pretty good.
 
There are very few post players with a polished post game when they're 23 years old.
Pau Gasol is prolly the youngest I can remember with a polished post game during his time in Memphis.
Okafor is said to have a polished post game, and certainly fits the bill. If he can ever be healthy.

I have no concerns with Nurk's post game, as he's very young.
Five years from now if he's still making the same mistakes I'll be very disappointed.
 
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