Kevin Love AGAIN (with poll)

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Would you trade for Kevin Love?

  • Yes for anyone other than Lillard and McCollum

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Yes for anyone other than Lillard, McCollum or Nurkic

    Votes: 3 8.3%

  • Yes for scrubs

    Votes: 17 47.2%

  • Not at any price

    Votes: 16 44.4%
  • Total voters
    36
UKRAINEFAN said:
He has turned his back on the play, so I doubt he would have any awareness of what he should be doing. Gave me a bad feeling about him.
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I dunno, weve seen so many guys fed up with situations and take it out on the court, not that Kevin Love is as good as these guys, but weve seen Kobe, Lebron, Kyrie do similar things.
 
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So according to Ira Winderman, Tonight could very well be Whiteside last game as a Blazers.
 
I'm not opposed to trading Whiteside, this season is a loss, but it seems rather strange if it happens this openly.
 
I just don’t see Loves outbursts changing, or accelerating, things. If anything his frustrations could be coming from the possibility that Cleveland hasn’t received any real offers. It’s easy for fans to overlook the contract, I mean even I’m buying into the idea, but it’s a legit roadblock for the people that actually have to deal with it.
 
royo said:
So he got attitude? We should take him then. Cos it's something we don't have. At all.
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his attitude sucks man....here's what it is: "things aren't going the way I want so I'm going to give less effort, pout, and be a general shithead while not living up the the contract I signed with a team that's paying me 30M/year for 4 years"

if Portland is going for attitude, go for somebody like Joel Przybilla or Patrick Beverly, not a spoiled brat
 
Scalma said:
I just don’t see Loves outbursts changing, or accelerating, things. If anything his frustrations could be coming from the possibility that Cleveland hasn’t received any real offers. It’s easy for fans to overlook the contract, I mean even I’m buying into the idea, but it’s a legit roadblock for the people that actually have to deal with it.
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Exactly, there was a report a few weeks ago that teams calling Cleveland about Love were also asking them for a 1st round pick to take on his contract. I'm pretty sure Cleveland thinks Love is worth getting picks not giving them up hence why Love is getting frustrated that a deal isn't happening.
 
wizenheimer said:
his attitude sucks man....here's what it is: "things aren't going the way I want so I'm going to give less effort, pout, and be a general shithead while not living up the the contract I signed with a team that's paying me 30M/year for 4 years"

if Portland is going for attitude, go for somebody like Joel Przybilla or Patrick Beverly, not a spoiled brat
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I know man, green fonts partly. Patrick is my wet dream, but Blazers would not take him cos he's too rude;) My problem is, this team, starting from Stotts and down has no real attitude in them. I see they care and they are frustrated at times, but man, guy like Montrelz Harrell could probably scare them to death. I wish that this Sun Tzu worked but true is we got no NWA as long as we don't have back up PG so any attitude will do;) Seriously tho, Love's contract is something I wouldn't touch with a long stick.
 
Im not sure there is a way to get Love without giving up Whiteside or Bazemore + at least one youngin or more.
 
julius said:
Im not sure there is a way to get Love without giving up Whiteside or Bazemore + at least one youngin or more.
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I think if we wanted him, Whiteside would get him, unless Cavs are stupidly stubborn. Apparently teams are insisting Cavs give THEM a pick to compensate them for taking Love ('s contract) off their hands.

Would that be a stupid long-term move? Probably, but we're kind of stuck now anyway, what with Dame + CJ's crazy contracts. Would it be a good short-term (i.e., before Nurk's or Zach's return) move? Well I happen to think that Whiteside's defense is overrated and our offense would certainly get more potent. It might lead to some 150-148 scorelines, but what the hell.
 
http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/2020/...cleveland-cavaliers-likely-to-trade-next.html

WHO ELSE COULD GO?

1. John Henson is finally healthy after missing most of last year with wrist surgery, then the first month of this season with other injuries. He’s playing 12 minutes a game, averaging 4.1 points, 3.4 rebounds and 1.3 blocks.

Henson is in the final year of a $9 million contract. He could appeal to a team who wants a big man who can block shots and rebound coming off the bench.

2. The Cavs would love to move Knight, who is in the final season of a $15.6 million contract. The 6-foot-2 guard rarely plays. He’s stuck behind Collin Sexton, Matthew Dellavedova, Darius Garland and Kevin Porter Jr.

Not sure what (if anything) the Cavs can secure for Knight in a deal.

3. Dellavedova is in the final year of a $9.6 million deal. He plays 13 minutes a game. The Cavs love his defense and ability to bring order to the offense. He’s lost his jumper, shooting only .316 overall and .127 (7-for-55) on 3-pointers. This from a guy who is a career 38-percent shooter from 3-point range.

Like Knight, I don’t hear much in terms of trade interest for Dellavedova.
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ABOUT KEVIN LOVE

I have heard some rumors about Love, but from what I’ve learned there is not much serious trade talk surrounding the 6-foot-10 veteran. At 31, Love is the Cavs’ oldest player. He is in the first season of a four-year, $120-million deal.

The Cavs don’t want to simply give away their five-time All-Star. As of now, I don’t expect him to be traded at mid-season. Of course, there are four weeks left before the deadline.

At least, that’s what I heard on Friday when I checked around.

Since then, Love has had an outburst with GM Koby Altman and been frustrated with his teammates. How much this has changed the Cavs approach to trading him – I’m not sure.

Love has reasons for his emotions. The young guards often are clueless how to get him the ball. The team is losing. John Beilein is in his rookie season as a head coach.

But the team also has expected more in terms of leadership from him. So we’ll see what happens next.
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Rastapopoulos said:
I think if we wanted him, Whiteside would get him, unless Cavs are stupidly stubborn. Apparently teams are insisting Cavs give THEM a pick to compensate them for taking Love ('s contract) off their hands.

Would that be a stupid long-term move? Probably, but we're kind of stuck now anyway, what with Dame + CJ's crazy contracts. Would it be a good short-term (i.e., before Nurk's or Zach's return) move? Well I happen to think that Whiteside's defense is overrated and our offense would certainly get more potent. It might lead to some 150-148 scorelines, but what the hell.
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I meant if they traded Bazemore, it would take some youth (Trent, Simons, Little, etc).
 
Rastapopoulos said:
I think if we wanted him, Whiteside would get him, unless Cavs are stupidly stubborn. Apparently teams are insisting Cavs give THEM a pick to compensate them for taking Love ('s contract) off their hands.

Would that be a stupid long-term move? Probably, but we're kind of stuck now anyway, what with Dame + CJ's crazy contracts. Would it be a good short-term (i.e., before Nurk's or Zach's return) move? Well I happen to think that Whiteside's defense is overrated and our offense would certainly get more potent. It might lead to some 150-148 scorelines, but what the hell.
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If we're going to get stuck with a contract I kind of prefer a wing type versus another big. Someone like Robert Covington or Otto Porter. Bigs are much easier to get for cheap nowadays.
 
hoopsjock said:
If we're going to get stuck with a contract I kind of prefer a wing type versus another big. Someone like Robert Covington or Otto Porter. Bigs are much easier to get for cheap nowadays.
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Covington's contract is actually pretty good and similar to Nurkic's where as Porter is another albatros contract for a good but not great player, I know he only has one year left, but don;t know what his expectations are for his next contract and could end up walking for nothing. I don;t see him opting out of $28mil next year though.
 
hoopsjock said:
If we're going to get stuck with a contract I kind of prefer a wing type versus another big. Someone like Robert Covington or Otto Porter. Bigs are much easier to get for cheap nowadays.
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Agreed.

I feel like we are better off now and for the future sticking with Zach as the long term starting 4 / back-up 5 and seeing if we can somehow convert our expirings+assets into a wing like the 2 you proposed.

Covington feels more attainable (and a better fit skill+salary wise), especially if KAT really wants out and they look to rebuild.

It's been talked to death, but a Cov + Deing for Whiteside + stuff does makes a lot of sense for both teams.

I wonder if a protected 2021 1st would be enough to sweeten the pot for them.
 
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JDC said:
Agreed.

We are better off now and for the future sticking with Zach as the long term starting 4 / back-up 5 and seeing if we convert our expirings+assets into a wing like the 2 you proposed.

Covington feels more attainable (and better fit skillset+salary), especially if KAT really wants out and they look to rebuild.

It's been talked to death but a Cov+Deing for Whiteside + stuff does makes a lot of sense for both teams.

I wonder if a protected 2021 1st would be enough to sweeten the pot for them.
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That's been my favorite trade for awhile now. Dieng would be just fine as a stop gap until the bigs are healthy and we get Covington's defense for two more years after this one.

Then I'd see what it would take to do a deal with Detroit revolving around Bazemore + stuff for Snell and Rose.

Next year you'd have:

Guards - Dame, CJ, Rose, Simons

Wings - Covington, Snell, Hood (assuming opt-in)

Bigs - Nurk, Collins, Dieng, Skal (if re-signed)

Plus Little and Trent if neither are part of those other trades. Then they could use the MLE to add a PF or a SF/PF type to fill out the roster. Also, Dieng and Snell would be tradeable pieces like Baze and Whiteside are this year when they are in the last year of their deals instead of still having another year.
 
JDC said:
Agreed.

I feel like we are better off now and for the future sticking with Zach as the long term starting 4 / back-up 5 and seeing if we can somehow convert our expirings+assets into a wing like the 2 you proposed.

Covington feels more attainable (and a better fit skill+salary wise), especially if KAT really wants out and they look to rebuild.

It's been talked to death, but a Cov + Deing for Whiteside + stuff does makes a lot of sense for both teams.

I wonder if a protected 2021 1st would be enough to sweeten the pot for them.
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I would prefer Bazemore and a pick for Covington and filler so that we have Whiteside for at least a bit longer in case Nurkic isn't ready. I would avoid taking on Deing if possible and would rather let Whiteside walk than take on another year of Deings contract. Maybe a deal like below and a pick to Minnesota.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=t3xjzre
 
CupWizier said:
I would prefer Bazemore and a pick for Covington and filler so that we have Whiteside for at least a bit longer in case Nurkic isn't ready. I would avoid taking on Deing if possible and would rather let Whiteside walk than take on another year of Deings contract. Maybe a deal like below and a pick to Minnesota.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=t3xjzre
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1) We can't acquire Jake this season since we were the team that traded him.

2) Taking on Dieng is a way to sweeten the deal for Minnesota so we don't have to give up as much.

3) Minnesota is hard capped this year so they probably don't want to take on almost $4 million dollars which pushes them closer to the tax line.

4) Letting Whiteside walk basically leaves the team with no tradeable pieces this summer to match salary with since we'd be left with guys unlikely to be traded with Dame, CJ, and Nurk and the rest of the roster of cheap contracts. So basically it's like wasting an opportunity if Whiteside walks. I agree that makes us slightly worse this year but we're bad with Whiteside so I don't really see why that would warrant not trading him.
 
It simply won't work fiscally without trading cj, and we know how much olshey loooooooooves cj
 
beast crnjo said:
It simply won't work fiscally without trading cj, and we know how much olshey loooooooooves cj
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Are you implying that Olshey is dumb for not being willing to trade CJ for Love?

I can't believe anyone would have that stance.
 
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