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Crabbe is not a 3 in the NBA he's not even a 2-3 he's a 2 we cant just trot out the smallest team in the league and expect to play any defense. We need length and defensive versatility to surround dame and cj Okafor is a solution for a question no one is asking.
 
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SlyPokerDog's understanding of the NBA is on the same level of a nose pickers understanding of brain surgery. He also trolls people to get attention.
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You are right!
 
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Okafor would be a disaster to trade for. If we want to give up 140 a game then we should definitely trade our 2nd best defender for the sieve named Jahlil.
 
I could see this:

PHI Gets: Harkless, Ezeli
POR Gets: Noel, Henderson, Right to Swap ONE OR BOTH OF OUR 1STS for LAL's 2017 1ST,

It could be Olshey's slick way of basically moving into the top 6 in the draft, while adding a piece of need, and a veteran Harkless replacement where there isn't much of a drop-off. Could make us better now and for the future.
 
My fingers are crossed for Whiteside.

POR Gets: Whiteside, Johnson
MIA Gets: Harkless, Ezeli, Both 2017 1sts,
3rd Team Gets: Meyers?

Maybe?
 
BonesJones said:
I could see this:

PHI Gets: Harkless, Ezeli
POR Gets: Noel, Henderson, Right to Swap ONE OR BOTH OF OUR 1STS for LAL's 2017 1ST,

It could be Olshey's slick way of basically moving into the top 6 in the draft, while adding a piece of need, and a veteran Harkless replacement where there isn't much of a drop-off. Could make us better now and for the future.
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THIS! I have said it before- multi player/pick trade for Noel and Henderson. I was kinda thinking it would be centered around AC though....
 
BonesJones said:
I could see this:

PHI Gets: Harkless, Ezeli
POR Gets: Noel, Henderson, Right to Swap ONE OR BOTH OF OUR 1STS for LAL's 2017 1ST,

It could be Olshey's slick way of basically moving into the top 6 in the draft, while adding a piece of need, and a veteran Harkless replacement where there isn't much of a drop-off. Could make us better now and for the future.
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Such an overvalue of a player who struggles to get his own shot, and gets garbage buckets...
While being someone who fouls a lot, and at times will lose his man on defense.
Not to mention is Harkless really a position of need for Philly? Would make that trade even worse knowing Simmons is coming back.
Also I doubt adding another player who can't get his own shot is really going to allow Portland to get over the top tier western conference teams.
Noel would help Portland make the playoffs though... Shame they've already shown that ability.

But hey, I'm too much of a nose-picker to understand basketball.
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chzbrgr said:
Crabbe is not a 3 in the NBA he's not even a 2-3 he's a 2 we cant just trot out the smallest team in the league and expect to play any defense. We need length and defensive versatility to surround dame and cj Okafor is a solution for a question no one is asking.
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Why can he not be a3?
 
honkicracker said:
Such an overvalue of a player who struggles to get his own shot, and gets garbage buckets...
While being someone who fouls a lot, and at times will lose his man on defense.
Not to mention is Harkless really a position of need for Philly? Would make that trade even worse knowing Simmons is coming back.
Also I doubt adding another player who can't get his own shot is really going to allow Portland to get over the top tier western conference teams.
Noel would help Portland make the playoffs though... Shame they've already shown that ability.

But hey, I'm too much of a nose-picker to understand basketball.
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Wait, what we need most is a player that can create his own shot???

Dude, we need a rim protector. Noel is a good pick n roll big and runs the floor well, so he'd fit with Dame and CJ. Imagine giving Vonlehs and Meyers minutes to Noel.

The Sixers said they're gonna play Simmons as a true PG. With Harkless, they'd have 4 starters 6'9 or taller. He'd fit what they're doing.
 
BonesJones said:
Wait, what we need most is a played that can create his own shot???

Dude, we need a rim protector. Noel is a good pick n roll big and runs the floor well, so he'd fit with Dame and CJ. Imagine giving Vonlehs and Meyers minutes to Noel.

The Sixers said they're gonna play Simmons as a true PG. With Harkless, they'd have 4 starters 6'9 or taller. He'd fit what they're doing.
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Well, now I don't understand basketball... due to the nose picking so bare with me.

I believe in Today's NBA there is a lot of pick and roll ran. It's one of, if not the main play for every team.

Portland has very few players that can actually do something once Lillard/CJ get trapped and they break the trap with the pass.
Plumlee has shown the ability to pass in a 4 on 3 situation, but he has also shown the inability to finish at the rim in those same situations. So basically NBA defenses know he's going to pass.
Hi 2016 Conference Finals, Draymon says hi.
Aminu flashed an ability to hit a three last year... But this year, if I'm not wrong is pretty much brick-city or three dribbles and turnover/bad shot-city.
I really hope you don't believe Noel would be better than Plumlee... He might be an upgrade over Aminu tihs year, due to Noel not dribbling the ball. But.... Really?~
(now if we're talking Turner, not CJ/Lillard.. Yes I believe Noel would fit far better than Okafor with Turner. Teams defend Turner differently in the pick and roll, than they do for CJ/Lillard)

Okafor has shown an ability at a very young age to pass, dribble, and score. Regardless of how inefficient it is due to being on a team with some of the worst guards in the league. Oh wait, Embiid and Okafor fit together? LOL. Sorry, sorry I don't know basketball so I shouldn't speak on if players can play well together...(although if you check my post history, I believe I was one of the few posters on this board who said before last year CJ+Lillard can play together and they're nothing like Ellis/Curry offensively) I wish I wasn't such a nose picker.





I could find others I've posted on these forums.
Former defensive player of the year Gasol has been owned as well.

Not going to deny Okafor would need to improve on defense for Portland to have a chance at a ring.. Though Plumlee doesn't really set the world on fire defensively either.




Okay so Harkless, a career 31% 3 point shooter who's had two years at league average and three years very much below league average is going to fit with Embiid, and Simmons.(Who's no Kyle Korver himself....) Well at least one of those three can shoot.
Defense is one thing, but you must space the floor in todays NBA if you expect to win. Even Memphis has found that out, Chicago is finding that out this year.

But hypothetically lets say Harkless does indeed fit in with what Philly wants to do... Which is lol in itself.
How exactly is Harkless + a non lotto pick worth a defensive stud in Noel, and a top 6 draft pick(chance to swap), plus Henderson???
and people say BGD has whack trade ideas.
 
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honkicracker said:
Well, now I don't understand basketball... due to the nose picking so bare with me.

I believe in Today's NBA there is a lot of pick and roll ran. It's one of, if not the main play for every team.

Portland has very few players that can actually do something once Lillard/CJ get trapped and they break the trap with the pass.
Plumlee has shown the ability to pass in a 4 on 3 situation, but he has also shown the inability to finish at the rim in those same situations. So basically NBA defenses know he's going to pass.
Hi 2016 Conference Finals, Draymon says hi.
Aminu flashed an ability to hit a three last year... But this year, if I'm not wrong is pretty much brick-city or three dribbles and turnover/bad shot-city.
I really hope you don't believe Noel would be better than Plumlee... He might be an upgrade over Aminu tihs year, due to Noel not dribbling the ball. But.... Really?~
(now if we're talking Turner, not CJ/Lillard.. Yes I believe Noel would fit far better than Okafor with Turner. Teams defend Turner differently in the pick and roll, than they do for CJ/Lillard)

Okafor has shown an ability at a very young age to pass, dribble, and score. Regardless of how inefficient it is due to being on a team with some of the worst guards in the league. Oh wait, Embiid and Okafor fit together? LOL. Sorry, sorry I don't know basketball so I shouldn't speak on if players can play well together...(although if you check my post history, I believe I was one of the few posters on this board who said before last year CJ+Lillard can play together and they're nothing like Ellis/Curry offensively) I wish I wasn't such a nose picker.





I could find others I've posted on these forums.
Former defensive player of the year Gasol has been owned as well.

Not going to deny Okafor would need to improve on defense for Portland to have a chance at a ring.. Though Plumlee doesn't really set the world on fire defensively either.




Okay so Harkless, a career 31% 3 point shooter who's had two years at league average and three years very much below league average is going to fit with Embiid, and Simmons.(Who's no Kyle Korver himself....) Well at least one of those three can shoot.
Defense is one thing, but you must space the floor in todays NBA if you expect to win. Even Memphis has found that out, Chicago is finding that out this year.

But hypothetically lets say Harkless does indeed fit in with what Philly wants to do... Which is lol in itself.
How exactly is Harkless + a non lotto pick worth a defensive stud in Noel, and a top 6 draft pick(chance to swap), plus Henderson???
and people say BGD has whack trade ideas.
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I think Harkless has a lot more trade value than you do. His shot has shown improvement, and he's still 23. Embiid, Saric, Harkless, + a SG puts 4, at the very least, solid 3 point shooters around Simmons. Harkless would be a great fit and that's why theyd give up the right to swap a pick that they very well may never have (LAL gets it back if it's Top 3).

Harkless also has more value than Noel because he can stay healthy, and his contract. Harkless is making $9M a year, while Noel will likely make $15M+.

If LALs pick was surely going to Philadelphia as, say the 5th pick, then they wouldn't do it.

But they could possibly take the chance that
A.) The pick becomes top 3 and they don't even get it because of LALs protections
B.) The Lakers improve. They've had a very tough schedule. If that pick becomes 8 or 9, trading it for 16 and 29 suddenly isn't a bad thing at all, especially in a deep draft with a clear cut top 7. They might take this risk to upgrade Noel into Harkless (upgrade is in terms of roster fit).
 
Fun one:

POR Gets: Brook and Robin Lopez, Bojan Bogdanovic
CHI Gets: Ed Davis, Noah Vonleh
BKN Gets: Festus Ezeli, Maurice Harkless, Meyers Leonard

Lillard / McCollum
McCollum / Turner
Crabbe / Bogdanovic
Plumlee / Aminu
Brook / Robin
 
BonesJones said:
Fun one:

POR Gets: Brook and Robin Lopez, Bojan Bogdanovic
CHI Gets: Ed Davis, Noah Vonleh
BKN Gets: Festus Ezeli, Maurice Harkless, Meyers Leonard

Lillard / McCollum
McCollum / Turner
Crabbe / Bogdanovic
Plumlee / Aminu
Brook / Robin
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Brooklyn would probably want at least one of our picks too
 
BonesJones said:
I think Harkless has a lot more trade value than you do. His shot has shown improvement, and he's still 23. Embiid, Saric, Harkless, + a SG puts 4, at the very least, solid 3 point shooters around Simmons. Harkless would be a great fit and that's why theyd give up the right to swap a pick that they very well may never have (LAL gets it back if it's Top 3).

Harkless also has more value than Noel because he can stay healthy, and his contract. Harkless is making $9M a year, while Noel will likely make $15M+.

If LALs pick was surely going to Philadelphia as, say the 5th pick, then they wouldn't do it.

But they could possibly take the chance that
A.) The pick becomes top 3 and they don't even get it because of LALs protections
B.) The Lakers improve. They've had a very tough schedule. If that pick becomes 8 or 9, trading it for 16 and 29 suddenly isn't a bad thing at all, especially in a deep draft with a clear cut top 7. They might take this risk to upgrade Noel into Harkless (upgrade is in terms of roster fit).
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You're right, I don't value Harkless as high as some Portland fans.
I think there are many young players his size in the league, who are average shooters(for a season), who rarely can get their own shot, who are average defenders, and who foul a lot.
Teams didn't really value Harkless in RFA, not sure why they'd value him now... He's an average nba player with as many weaknesses as strengths.
I know most Portland fans don't believe that. But there were many Portland fan's up in arm's over T-Rob's departure... Saying how Portland would regret it.
Well Portland doesn't, and although Harkless is much better than "The Tank". They do have a few things in common. At times getting lost on defense, they get easy buckets, they hustle, and at times they make flashy plays. The last two is what will make Portland fan's love a player.

Harkless is also making 9m this year, by the time his contract is up he'll be making 11m. He also has 2m in incentives. Averages out to around 10.5m a year.
Saric has also been hit or miss his rookie year. He started off cold as hell, and has pulled his shooting % to a respectable(at least from three) 35%. However he still shoots 38% from the field.
Basically two players I wouldn't have a desire to pair with Simmons & Embiid if I had to give up too much. Pick + Noel + player is too much.

The pick logic just doesn't work. + there is another player you have listed in there.
If you're a team who isn't going to win a ring, you're going to value a pick in a "deep draft" with a clear cut top 7. More than using it to acquire an average NBA player. Due to $$$$$$.


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honkicracker said:
You're right, I don't value Harkless as high as some Portland fans.
I think there are many young players his size in the league, who are average shooters(for a season), who rarely can get their own shot, who are average defenders, and who foul a lot.
Teams didn't really value Harkless in RFA, not sure why they'd value him now... He's an average nba player with as many weaknesses as strengths.
I know most Portland fans don't believe that. But there were many Portland fan's up in arm's over T-Rob's departure... Saying how Portland would regret it.
Well Portland doesn't, and although Harkless is much better than "The Tank". They do have a few things in common. At times getting lost on defense, they get easy buckets, they hustle, and at times they make flashy plays. The last two is what will make Portland fan's love a player.

Harkless is also making 9m this year, by the time his contract is up he'll be making 11m. He also has 2m in incentives. Averages out to around 10.5m a year.
Saric has also been hit or miss his rookie year. He started off cold as hell, and has pulled his shooting % to a respectable(at least from three) 35%. However he still shoots 38% from the field.
Basically two players I wouldn't have a desire to pair with Simmons & Embiid if I had to give up too much. Pick + Noel + player is too much.

The pick logic just doesn't work. + there is another player you have listed in there.
If you're a team who isn't going to win a ring, you're going to value a pick in a "deep draft" with a clear cut top 7. More than using it to acquire an average NBA player. Due to $$$$$$.


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Name a=some 6'9 SFs in the league that is an above average shooter and above average defender. Yeah, you can name guys like Durant, but that's not a realistic option for the 76ers. Name a couple guys who they could hypothetically get like that, who's also as young as Harkless. (Hint: There's not "so many" like you claim.)

You obviously didn't understand what I meant by clear-cut top 7. There's a BIG fall-off from 7th (Isaac) to 8th (Markkanen, Anunoby, etc.) There's a group of players between 8th and 20th that really have no difference in value.

It's pick (that they may not have) for two lower picks. Stop saying it like they're just giving us a pick for free. It's a swap, which will likely be within 10 picks of each other. The drop off between 7 and 15-17 isn't as big as normal years. It's about the difference between 7 and 12 in a normal year. The 29th pick (CLE's) that we'd give them is about equal to 20th in a normal draft, because the draft is so deep.

So in a normal draft, 7th for 12th and 20th isn't bad, and might be a good trade for them value wise. Hell, Sacremento gave 8th for 13th and 28th last year. Harkless is an upgrade for them over Noel, due to fit and money. Henderson isn't of any value to them, but if he was the deal breaker then I'm sure we could find a wing replacement for Harkless somewhere else.
 
Okafor is playing tonight and already has 25 minutes, with the fourth qtr about to start.
Noel has 12 minutes
Embid, DNPCD

Wizzards up by 18 with 9+ minutes left in the game.
 
BonesJones said:
Name a=some 6'9 SFs in the league that is an above average shooter and above average defender. Yeah, you can name guys like Durant, but that's not a realistic option for the 76ers. Name a couple guys who they could hypothetically get like that, who's also as young as Harkless. (Hint: There's not "so many" like you claim.)

You obviously didn't understand what I meant by clear-cut top 7. There's a BIG fall-off from 7th (Isaac) to 8th (Markkanen, Anunoby, etc.) There's a group of players between 8th and 20th that really have no difference in value.

It's pick (that they may not have) for two lower picks. Stop saying it like they're just giving us a pick for free. It's a swap, which will likely be within 10 picks of each other. The drop off between 7 and 15-17 isn't as big as normal years. It's about the difference between 7 and 12 in a normal year. The 29th pick (CLE's) that we'd give them is about equal to 20th in a normal draft, because the draft is so deep.

So in a normal draft, 7th for 12th and 20th isn't bad, and might be a good trade for them value wise. Hell, Sacremento gave 8th for 13th and 28th last year. Harkless is an upgrade for them over Noel, due to fit and money. Henderson isn't of any value to them, but if he was the deal breaker then I'm sure we could find a wing replacement for Harkless somewhere else.
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(only responding because again, a poster on s2 puts words in my mouth. Who knew that would happen.)

First off... I said average defender, and average shooter. You can't possibly be saying Harkless is an above average shooter can you? While I don't think so, I could see Harkless as an above average defender... But not shooter, Career 31% shooter from three is not average in the NBA. Harkless isn't even shooting a career high from three this year.... And he's still just league average.... If you say, "oh well philly is paying for potential because Harkless is young".. Well there are plenty of young players they could get with that pick... Could they not? I mean it's a "deep draft"............................

But to humor you... players who are better/equal to harkless that haven't/have entered their prime.
Carrol, Barnes, Gallo, Wiggins, Crowder, Batum, Hayward, Harris, Shumpert, Parker, Ross, Turner.
I'm sure if I wasn't thinking of names off the top of my head I could come up with more average defenders/shooters who play SF that haven't/have entered their prime. I wonder if any of the players I named foul as much as Harkless has this year? Maybe I'll look it up later...
Harkless is an average small forward in the NBA... there are plenty in the league... If there wasn't then Harkless would have actually got an offer in RFA from a team not named the Portland TrailBlazers. Instead he received no other offer.


I actually understood it perfectly. What you didn't understand/read is that if the draft is so "deep" then Philly could find a average small forward on a rookie contract. Which, and I'm sorry I don't understand business... Or so I've been told on these boards. A rookie contract is less $$$ than an average of 10.5 million a year correct. With just as many years as Harkless is under due to TO.
Maybe not the top pick? But def anywhere that Protected Laker pick could land....
But hey... Philly could also get a chance at that top 7 pick or did you say 6? I'd say keeping that pick has far more value than letting it go for an average NBA SF when there are plenty of them around... Business + a chance Philly lands in the range "before the big drop off".
(BTW, the "no drop off between 8-20" is really a poor opinion, so far from the draft... To name a few things that can improve draft stock... Combine & workouts. So I just don't believe that.. Rivers is a prime example as to why I don't believe it.. Yes I could name others... Theres at least one on the Blazers)

I find it funny that you're using one of the worst organizations in the NBA as an example... When is the last time(outside of DMC) that Sac drafted a good NBA player? Oh I know, the guy every other organization passed on at least once as well... Yet couldn't play for them... But is now on the Celtics tearing it up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacramento_Kings_draft_history

TL;DR
More value for Philly in keeping the pick and having a chance to land before the "big drop off".
More value for Philly in keeping the pick and landing outside the "big drop off", yet still in the lotto.
Harkless is an average defender & shooter, names listed above.
Harkless + pick won't net a defensive stud like Noel + a pick that has a chance to get in before expects say there is a "big drop off".
If WoJ somehow announces in a couple hours on twitter that Portland has acquired Noel+Lakers protected pick for Harkless+pick I'll happily eat crow.
But it aint happening.
 
honkicracker said:
(only responding because again, a poster on s2 puts words in my mouth. Who knew that would happen.)

First off... I said average defender, and average shooter. You can't possibly be saying Harkless is an above average shooter can you? While I don't think so, I could see Harkless as an above average defender... But not shooter, Career 31% shooter from three is not average in the NBA. Harkless isn't even shooting a career high from three this year.... And he's still just league average.... If you say, "oh well philly is paying for potential because Harkless is young".. Well there are plenty of young players they could get with that pick... Could they not? I mean it's a "deep draft"............................

But to humor you... players who are better/equal to harkless that haven't/have entered their prime.
Carrol, Barnes, Gallo, Wiggins, Crowder, Batum, Hayward, Harris, Shumpert, Parker, Ross, Turner.
I'm sure if I wasn't thinking of names off the top of my head I could come up with more average defenders/shooters who play SF that haven't/have entered their prime. I wonder if any of the players I named foul as much as Harkless has this year? Maybe I'll look it up later...
Harkless is an average small forward in the NBA... there are plenty in the league... If there wasn't then Harkless would have actually got an offer in RFA from a team not named the Portland TrailBlazers. Instead he received no other offer.


I actually understood it perfectly. What you didn't understand/read is that if the draft is so "deep" then Philly could find a average small forward on a rookie contract. Which, and I'm sorry I don't understand business... Or so I've been told on these boards. A rookie contract is less $$$ than an average of 10.5 million a year correct. With just as many years as Harkless is under due to TO.
Maybe not the top pick? But def anywhere that Protected Laker pick could land....
But hey... Philly could also get a chance at that top 7 pick or did you say 6? I'd say keeping that pick has far more value than letting it go for an average NBA SF when there are plenty of them around... Business + a chance Philly lands in the range "before the big drop off".
(BTW, the "no drop off between 8-20" is really a poor opinion, so far from the draft... To name a few things that can improve draft stock... Combine & workouts. So I just don't believe that.. Rivers is a prime example as to why I don't believe it.. Yes I could name others... Theres at least one on the Blazers)

I find it funny that you're using one of the worst organizations in the NBA as an example... When is the last time(outside of DMC) that Sac drafted a good NBA player? Oh I know, the guy every other organization passed on at least once as well... Yet couldn't play for them... But is now on the Celtics tearing it up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacramento_Kings_draft_history

TL;DR
More value for Philly in keeping the pick and having a chance to land before the "big drop off".
More value for Philly in keeping the pick and landing outside the "big drop off", yet still in the lotto.
Harkless is an average defender & shooter, names listed above.
Harkless + pick won't net a defensive stud like Noel + a pick that has a chance to get in before expects say there is a "big drop off".
If WoJ somehow announces in a couple hours on twitter that Portland has acquired Noel+Lakers protected pick for Harkless+pick I'll happily eat crow.
But it aint happening.
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"There are many young players his size in the league, who are average shooters(for a season), who rarely can get their own shot, who are average defenders, and who foul a lot."

Shumpert? Not young, 4 inches shorter
Gallo? Not going, bad defender
Barnes? $22M a year
Wiggins, Hayward? Not attainable
Carroll? Not young, mor expensive
Batum? $25M a year, not young
Harris? 5 inches shorter
Parker? Not attainable
Ross? Below average defender, shorter, probably not attainable
Turner? Not young, $16M a year not adverb an average shooter

So how is there so many better options for Philadelphia for their SF of the future?
 
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honkicracker said:
Harkless + pick won't net a defensive stud like Noel + a pick that has a chance to get in before expects say there is a "big drop off".
If WoJ somehow announces in a couple hours on twitter that Portland has acquired Noel+Lakers protected pick for Harkless+pick I'll happily eat crow.
But it aint happening.
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Please show me where I said it would. I simply brought up an idea that I think is possible.
 
honkicracker said:
(only responding because again, a poster on s2 puts words in my mouth. Who knew that would happen.)

First off... I said average defender, and average shooter. You can't possibly be saying Harkless is an above average shooter can you? While I don't think so, I could see Harkless as an above average defender... But not shooter, Career 31% shooter from three is not average in the NBA. Harkless isn't even shooting a career high from three this year.... And he's still just league average.... If you say, "oh well philly is paying for potential because Harkless is young".. Well there are plenty of young players they could get with that pick... Could they not? I mean it's a "deep draft"............................

But to humor you... players who are better/equal to harkless that haven't/have entered their prime.
Carrol, Barnes, Gallo, Wiggins, Crowder, Batum, Hayward, Harris, Shumpert, Parker, Ross, Turner.
I'm sure if I wasn't thinking of names off the top of my head I could come up with more average defenders/shooters who play SF that haven't/have entered their prime. I wonder if any of the players I named foul as much as Harkless has this year? Maybe I'll look it up later...
Harkless is an average small forward in the NBA... there are plenty in the league... If there wasn't then Harkless would have actually got an offer in RFA from a team not named the Portland TrailBlazers. Instead he received no other offer.


I actually understood it perfectly. What you didn't understand/read is that if the draft is so "deep" then Philly could find a average small forward on a rookie contract. Which, and I'm sorry I don't understand business... Or so I've been told on these boards. A rookie contract is less $$$ than an average of 10.5 million a year correct. With just as many years as Harkless is under due to TO.
Maybe not the top pick? But def anywhere that Protected Laker pick could land....
But hey... Philly could also get a chance at that top 7 pick or did you say 6? I'd say keeping that pick has far more value than letting it go for an average NBA SF when there are plenty of them around... Business + a chance Philly lands in the range "before the big drop off".
(BTW, the "no drop off between 8-20" is really a poor opinion, so far from the draft... To name a few things that can improve draft stock... Combine & workouts. So I just don't believe that.. Rivers is a prime example as to why I don't believe it.. Yes I could name others... Theres at least one on the Blazers)

I find it funny that you're using one of the worst organizations in the NBA as an example... When is the last time(outside of DMC) that Sac drafted a good NBA player? Oh I know, the guy every other organization passed on at least once as well... Yet couldn't play for them... But is now on the Celtics tearing it up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacramento_Kings_draft_history

TL;DR
More value for Philly in keeping the pick and having a chance to land before the "big drop off".
More value for Philly in keeping the pick and landing outside the "big drop off", yet still in the lotto.
Harkless is an average defender & shooter, names listed above.
Harkless + pick won't net a defensive stud like Noel + a pick that has a chance to get in before expects say there is a "big drop off".
If WoJ somehow announces in a couple hours on twitter that Portland has acquired Noel+Lakers protected pick for Harkless+pick I'll happily eat crow.
But it aint happening.
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There also almost no chance it's top 7. Lakers have played an extremely hard schedule. Harkless is above average defender, moves great without the ball (something Simmons + Embiid would love, is a good rebounder, and developing into an above average shooter. He has no weaknesses, and is only 23.
 
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