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illmatic99 said:
That is what Nate Jones is saying we should do. He said guys like Simons are harder to find and easier to build around than guys like Scoot.
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I was unaware, I only went off what the posted tweet said and your response. I don't agree with the thought of trading Scoot (unless we get a great return). I don't think Ant would be flawless at either the PG or SG positions.

I also don't think what position a player was thought to be on draft night should be taken into consideration when evaluating where he can be most impactful today.
 
BigGameDamian said:
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It's funny how the talking points in the Miami media and the Portland media are somewhat similar, just flipped about who is doing what in good faith, the value of the assets involved, etc.

It's clear that both the Portland/Miami media/fans are looking at this from a skewed vantage point and don't realize it.
 
Tince said:
It's funny how the talking points in the Miami media and the Portland media are somewhat similar, just flipped about who is doing what in good faith, the value of the assets involved, etc.

It's clear that both the Portland/Miami media/fans are looking at this from a skewed vantage point and don't realize it.
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If Portland wanted Jimmy Butler, then Woj came on the air to say Anfernee Simons sucks, + the 3 first rounders was a bad deal, Portland needed to up their offer... would Blazer fans start freaking out?
 
blazerkor said:
You have to have two interested parties and right now I don't think either side has any interest in patching things up. I actually think the greater interest in staying would be from Dame but it would take a big move from Joe that I'm not sure he was ever truly interested in making and it definitely doesn't seem like he's interested in making now.
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If Joe can't get a decent trade I could see them agreeing on something that will allow Dame to start the season, excel at playing, create more trade interest, and Dame has submitted a list of 3-5 teams.
That would be the smart business decision unless someone knocks his socks off now.
Dame just came off his best season ever, Im sure he will play like a man on mission.
Dont give him to Riley without an acceptable return.
 
Whyachi said:
If Portland wanted Jimmy Butler, then Woj came on the air to say Anfernee Simons sucks, + the 3 first rounders was a bad deal, Portland needed to up their offer... would Blazer fans start freaking out?
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That's an odd hypothetical because Woj doesn't go on the air and say any player sucks, but lets roll with it...

If I know this place well enough and that scenario were in front of us, we'd have a bunch of different groups of posters:
  • Get the deal done yesterday - Dame handed this deal to Cronin and he is screwing it up
  • Butler is old, makes too much money, and would take away from the growth of our young guys
  • If Butler pubically stated he only wanted to go to Portland, some would want to try and get a deal done without involving more than 1 future first
  • The group holding their opinions to themselves so when a trade happens, then they can say we could've got a better deal
 
e_blazer said:
Every team needs that guy who can get hot and torch an opponent on any given night.

Most teams in the NBA have that guy who can get hot and torch an opponent on any given night.
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Sure... but most team pay those guys $10-15m/year. (ie - DiVincenzo, Clarkson, Kennard, Huerter, LeVert). Hell, Eric Gordon is getting paid $3M/yr.

Not $25-$30m/year
 
illmatic99 said:
That is what Nate Jones is saying we should do. He said guys like Simons are harder to find and easier to build around than guys like Scoot.
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Did he say something elsewhere?
Does:
Needs to be given a chance to be a full-time starting PG. That’s how you maximize him. Let him take his lumps as a starter in that role. If it’s not in Portland, somewhere else. Keeping him at the 2 is putting a cap on his potential.
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where he says if not in Portland, elsewhere, include that we should trade Scoot, and that Simons is easier to build around?
 
RR7 said:
Did he say something elsewhere?
Does:

where he says if not in Portland, elsewhere, include that we should trade Scoot, and that Simons is easier to build around?
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Finding someone with Simons shot profile is the hard part. It’s easier to build on playmaking/table setting skills than it is to develop into a guy that shoots the shit out of the ball in every single way like Simons does. Lead guards that shoot like him bend defenses.

His trade value is minimized b/c he’s pegged as an undersized 2 instead of a good sized starting PG. Dude is still so young and last year was his first full season of starters minutes and his first full season of playing minutes at PG every night (was just a spot up shooter b4)
 
Hoopguru said:
If Joe can't get a decent trade I could see them agreeing on something that will allow Dame to start the season, excel at playing, create more trade interest, and Dame has submitted a list of 3-5 teams.
That would be the smart business decision unless someone knocks his socks off now.
Dame just came off his best season ever, Im sure he will play like a man on mission.
Dont give him to Riley without an acceptable return.
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If Dame would submit a list of 3-5 teams the deal would get done in the next few days. If three teams knew that Dame would be excited to play for them then those three teams would start bidding against each other and Joe would find a deal to his liking quickly, if it was five teams it would only be better.
 
Idog1976 said:
Ok, but why would Phoenix trade Ayton a position of need, for Little and I'm not sure what a "#1 protected top 7 pic" is. Does this mean we protect a pick for the top 7? Any way you slice it why on Earth would Phoenix do that?
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I had included Nurkic
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
Sure... but most team pay those guys $10-15m/year. (ie - DiVincenzo, Clarkson, Kennard, Huerter, LeVert). Hell, Eric Gordon is getting paid $3M/yr.

Not $25-$30m/year
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The Blazers gave Ant that contract for two reasons: they think he has more upside than the average gunner; and the usual Blazers overpay because of small market and trying to keep a core together for Dame. The question is whether any other GMs around the league agree with the first assessment enough to swallow the second part.
 
Idog1976 said:
Ok, but why would Phoenix trade Ayton a position of need, for Little and I'm not sure what a "#1 protected top 7 pic" is. Does this mean we protect a pick for the top 7? Any way you slice it why on Earth would Phoenix do that?
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Nurkic was part of my proposal
 
blazerkor said:
It will have no impact on them as long as they have Dame there by training camp... it might mean that their bench is a little weaker and that will be their fault but I don't think Jimmy or anybody (free agents or any players in the league) cares how these GMs and agents get them what they want as long as they get it.

I think that's something that people who are mad at Dame don't get, these players cannot afford to have the fans factor into their decisions. It's them the players who have a short time to make hundreds of millions of dollars against big multibillion dollar companies. These players have to be willing to go scorched earth because they never have the advantage just due to them being a much smaller business entity with a vastly shorter earning window than the teams.

Also Dame isn't hurting his brand right now, people that think that are being naive. Damian Lillard, Dame DOLLA and Dame Time are not local brands they are international brands and I just don't see fans around the league killing Dame over this, some think that the one team thing is extreme but they aren't killing him over wanting out and burning the team in the process. Most fans are saying that it's been overdue.

Going back to the GMs, they won't be judged for when they get things done this offseason by the players or the fans but what they get done before the season begins or maybe even just by the time it impacts their chances to win. For us it will be judged on our perceived chance to win in the future but for Miami or whoever Dame ends up with it will be a judgement executed pretty immediately, they'll have to start winning more immediately, do better in the playoffs this season and for the next few.
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I normally love your stuff but your defense of Dame’s camp’s behavior is one of the worst takes on the board. It’s kind of mindboggling.
 
blazerkor said:
If Dame would submit a list of 3-5 teams the deal would get done in the next few days. If three teams knew that Dame would be excited to play for them then those three teams would start bidding against each other and Joe would find a deal to his liking quickly, if it was five teams it would only be better.
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there's good teams with worse future assets that Lillard could have demanded a trade to. Phoenix, Lakers, what would one 1st, 5 2nd rounders + multiple junk contracts trade for Lillard look like?

Blazers still have their own first round pick. That's the most important part of a rebuild. I'm sorry, but demanding better trade package for Lillard, looks no better then Lillard demanding a trade to Miami.
 
This whole "player empowerment movement" (PEM) has swung so far in that direction that it's just as bad as total Owner power in the 80's and 90's if not MUCH worse, especially for small market fans. Isn't it obvious that the "PEM" is really just code for, strip small market teams of any sort of tools to build a contender and deliver superstars from small markets to desirable and big markets? If it was draining big markets of talent and making the league harder to market, Silver would have already squashed it, DUH!

I mean come on, look at our current situation for crying out loud. Now imagine Dame gets his wish. That's it, it's over. You have until the end of the Rookie contract extension to build a contender and then you're done. You basically act as the B-League a much more advanced developmental league for the Big market and desirable market teams (I'm including the Florida "small market" teams and SAS for taxes and weather). Like why the FUCK would you support that as the fan of a small market team?!?! It's not like these guys aren't getting paid for fucks sake! Dame is gonna be worth Half a BILLION dollars after his contract.

Sure, Ownership makes more, but they can LOSE money, players cannot and in fact salary wise (not including endorsements) they often make more from small/undersirable markets. The Owners are taking on the risk running their franchise, not the players. Also, to me I've never cared about players vs. owners once there was some degree of parity starting basically when LeBron blew up, to me it's always been about major markets/desirable markets vs. small markets. This current debate is 100% about that and if you support Dame's camp (different from loving Dame as a player we are talking dirty pool tactics) you're basically slitting the throat of small and/or undesirable markets and I hate to break this to you, but we are BOTH. I mean this is such an obvious no-brainer to me it just absolutely stuns me that people would support what Dame's camp is doing.
 
Whyachi said:
there's good teams with worse future assets that Lillard could have demanded a trade to. Phoenix, Lakers, what would one 1st, 5 2nd rounders + multiple junk contracts trade for Lillard look like?

Blazers still have their own first round pick. That's the most important part of a rebuild. I'm sorry, but demanding better trade package for Lillard, looks no better then Lillard demanding a trade to Miami.
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What are you talking about? It's completely different! First off, Dame saying one team and one team only (won't report to camp etc.) has utterly cratered his value. So now asking to get $0.75 on the dollar instead of $.25 is somehow uncouth? What the actual fuck? Are you being sarcastic? Do we have sleeper cell Miami fans on the board?!

I love Dame as a player, I loved his persona (it's a bit shaky to me if that was just branding at this point based on the scorched Earth), and I certainly loved his iconic movements of 0.9 and "the wave", but his camp's behavior is among the worst I've ever seen in NBA history and people are apologizing for it when our team is gonna get reamed? I just do not get it at all.
 
I would like to obtain Herro, Martin, Robinson, the rookie center Robinson and 3 first round picks.

Dame plus filler if need be

then….

we trade one of these first picks plus Nurkic and Little for Ayton

By Christmas, we will have a better idea as to which guard to be trading away for a PF.
 
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