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Dame for Hero, Robinson, 2FRPs

Is the same as

Nurk Nas Keon for Bam

Heat are trash without Dame. They were we lucky last year. They don't have Vincent and Strus anymore. Jimmy is older and declining and Bam is not Jokic.

They are desperate. They need to pay up for Dame if they want him.
 
Seriously

Dame for Hero, Robinson, 2FRPs

Is the same as

Nurk Nas Keon for Bam

Heat are trash without Dame. They were we lucky last year. They don't have Vincent and Strus anymore. Jimmy is older and declining and Bam is not Jokic.

They are desperate. They need to pay up for Dame if they want him.

No amount of maneuvering will allow them to pay what Dame is worth. Unless they include Bam, which they won't.
 
Trade Nurkic, Little and a #1 protected top 7 pick for Ayton.

He’s about to turn 25 and fits our rebuild perfectly. Scoot, Sharpe and Simons and Ayton fit and Grant can be traded at the deadline for a PF that can play with Ayton

Couple this with a Dame trade and we’ll be playoff-bound in two years
Ok, but why would Phoenix trade Ayton a position of need, for Little and I'm not sure what a "#1 protected top 7 pic" is. Does this mean we protect a pick for the top 7? Any way you slice it why on Earth would Phoenix do that?
 
Wow...just look at this moron. Nothing about this take makes any sense at all. I'm now firmly on the "Lillard to anywhere but Miami" train. Fuck Riley, fuck Goodwin, fuck their fans, fuck their hot takes and fuck their organization. I hope they crater next year.


Portland is "Boxed in?"
Do any of these people know that Lillard has 3/4 years left on his contract?
They don't seem to acknowledge that important fact.
 
Ok, but why would Phoenix trade Ayton a position of need, for Little and I'm not sure what a "#1 protected top 7 pic" is. Does this mean we protect a pick for the top 7? Any way you slice it why on Earth would Phoenix do that?
Phoenix needs to move Ayton to avoid the 2nd apron tax. I doubt he's coming to Portland because Chauncey only likes coaching guards.
 
One thing to consider, is that Simons is ranked as one of the worst defenders in the NBA, but Herro is pretty much average. A 3 guard rotation of Herro/Henderson/Sharpe might be better than Simons/Sharpe/Henderson.

Would Simons be easier to trade with 1 less year on his deal and slightly lower figures? If you're doing a 3 guard rotation, having a guy like Herro is not excess.
 
One thing to consider, is that Simons is ranked as one of the worst defenders in the NBA, but Herro is pretty much average. A 3 guard rotation of Herro/Henderson/Sharpe might be better than Simons/Sharpe/Henderson.

Would Simons be easier to trade with 1 less year on his deal and slightly lower figures? If you're doing a 3 guard rotation, having a guy like Herro is not excess.

I have a strong suspicion that Herro's average defensive rating and Simons's horrific defensive rating are heavily indebted to the quality of their teams' defense and the systems in which they play.
 
Phoenix needs to move Ayton to avoid the 2nd apron tax. I doubt he's coming to Portland because Chauncey only likes coaching guards.
That's a fair point. I am not sure that trade is good enough, but hell I'd love Ayton and with Dame/Nurk on their way out we could afford him.
 
defensive rating:

* Herro was 1.7 points worse than his team; Ant was 4.2 points worse than his team

DBPM:

* Herro had a DBPM of -0.8; Ant had one of -2.5

Estimated +/- on defense:

* Herro -0.7; Ant -1.0

pretty clearly, statistically and by eyeball, Herro is poor at defense. But as bad as he is, he's still a lot better than Simons. Herro is actually able to be a net positive in BPM at +0.6. By contrast, Ant gives more back on defense than he provides on offense which led to his -1.1 BPM last season and -1.8 for his career

in net rating differential, Herro was a -6.0. Simons was a -10.0. Herro is a year younger with one less year of experience

what it all means is that the Blazers would be best off not having either player
 
No amount of maneuvering will allow them to pay what Dame is worth. Unless they include Bam, which they won't.
This is where I’m landing. Herro nets at most a meh player and a first. Martin is worth a first, more likely two seconds and filler. And then Miami would keep one of the firsts just to free up their own.

The fact that you can build a plausible and better package with most other team’s rosters tells you how bad this one is.
 
I have a strong suspicion that Herro's average defensive rating and Simons's horrific defensive rating are heavily indebted to the quality of their teams' defense and the systems in which they play.

defensive ratings are more team-centric and it's not worthwhile to compare the raw rating of players on different teams.

What is a worthwhile gauge is to compare a player's defensive rating to his team. Herro is -1.7 points worse than his team; that's not good. But Ant is -4.2 points worse than his team. That's rather horrible
 
defensive ratings are more team-centric and it's not worthwhile to compare the raw rating of players on different teams.

What is a worthwhile gauge is to compare a player's defensive rating to his team. Herro is -1.7 points worse than his team; that's not good. But Ant is -4.2 points worse than his team. That's rather horrible
And Herro playing on a good defensive team vs Simons on a bad defensive team makes that stat look even better for Herro no?
 
defensive rating:

* Herro was 1.7 points worse than his team; Ant was 4.2 points worse than his team

DBPM:

* Herro had a DBPM of -0.8; Ant had one of -2.5

Estimated +/- on defense:

* Herro -0.7; Ant -1.0

pretty clearly, statistically and by eyeball, Herro is poor at defense. But as bad as he is, he's still a lot better than Simons. Herro is actually able to be a net positive in BPM at +0.6. By contrast, Ant gives more back on defense than he provides on offense which led to his -1.1 BPM last season and -1.8 for his career

in net rating differential, Herro was a -6.0. Simons was a -10.0. Herro is a year younger with one less year of experience

what it all means is that the Blazers would be best off not having either player
I think the conference they play in factors in as well...the east and west have vastly different levels of talent to defend at their position. Herro has such a short wingspan
 
defensive ratings are more team-centric and it's not worthwhile to compare the raw rating of players on different teams.

What is a worthwhile gauge is to compare a player's defensive rating to his team. Herro is -1.7 points worse than his team; that's not good. But Ant is -4.2 points worse than his team. That's rather horrible

Even then such comparisons are heavily influenced by lineups, rotations, etc. There is just so much noise in individual defensive statistics as they are currently constructed.

It's quite possible that Herro is a better defender with Miami than Ant is with the Blazers... that said, I have a really hard time believing, admittedly based on the little I've seen of Herro over the years, that he would be an appreciable upgrade over Ant on defense for the Blazers.
 
No amount of maneuvering will allow them to pay what Dame is worth. Unless they include Bam, which they won't.

In which case, do not trade Dame to Miami.

At that point, Dame can either react this way: "Wah wah you owe it to me to accept Miami's offer."

And Joe shall respond: "Expand your list or honor your contract. We will ONLY trade you if/when the return makes sense for us. Otherwise, you're a Blazer."

Dame is smart enough to understand this.

We can do way better than Herro, Robinson, 2FRPs. Somewhere between Mitchell and Durant is the sweet spot.

I understand that by waiting we risk Dame value going down as he is coming off his best year. But selling him cheap is not the solution.

Let's say Dame is worth one dollar now.
You worry that if we don't trade him now his value will go to 75 cents. But selling him now for 50 cents is not the answer.
 
I wonder if at some point Joe might need to call their bluff and act like bringing Dame back is an option if Miami thinks they are bidding against themselves. Start promoting Sharpe as our SF next year. Not saying I want that but start floating it none-the-less

Yes, this line-up is too small but we still have the MLE...get a big

Dame-Scoot
Thybulle-Simons
Sharpe-Little
Grant-Walker
Nurk-Badji

Murray, Rupert, Butler, Keon
 
In basketball, drop coverage is a defensive strategy commonly used in pick-and-roll situations to defend against the ball handler's drive to the basket. It is a pick-and-roll defensive technique primarily employed by teams in a half-court setting.

During a pick-and-roll play, an offensive player (usually the point guard or ball handler) is assisted by a teammate who sets a screen (the pick) on the defender guarding the ball handler. The offensive player then uses the screen to create separation from the defender, allowing them to drive to the basket or make a play.

In drop coverage, the defender guarding the screener (often the center or big man) does not aggressively step out to challenge the ball handler immediately after the pick is set. Instead, they "drop" back a few steps to protect the paint and cut off the driving lane to the basket. By maintaining this distance, the defender aims to prevent the ball handler from getting an easy path to the rim.

The on-ball defender (usually a guard) must navigate around the screen and follow the ball handler closely, while the big man retreats to create a defensive wall between the ball handler and the basket. This defensive alignment forces the ball handler to take a mid-range jump shot or a three-point shot, which is generally considered less efficient than driving to the rim or getting a closer shot.

Drop coverage is effective against players who are not strong outside shooters or when the defending team wants to limit drives to the basket. However, it also opens up the possibility for the ball handler to take open jump shots, so the defending team must weigh the risks and rewards based on the specific situation and the offensive player's skills.

Different defensive strategies, like switching or hedging, are also commonly used in pick-and-roll situations, depending on the defensive team's overall game plan and the strengths and weaknesses of the players involved.

Well done, appreciate the informative post. A few tips, try to get it to provide some really weird off the wall examples (ancient historical, pro wrestling, clear satire).
 
I wonder if at some point Joe might need to call their bluff and act like bringing Dame back is an option if Miami thinks they are bidding against themselves. Start promoting Sharpe as our SF next year. Not saying I want that but start floating it none-the-less

Yes, this line-up is too small but we still have the MLE...get a big

Dame-Scoot
Thybulle-Simons
Sharpe-Little
Grant-Walker
Nurk-Badji

Murray, Rupert, Butler, Keon

They are never bidding against themselves because Dame is not a free agent.

So if it's not Miami's offer vs Boston or Philly or Brooklyn or Toronto or Orlando or San Antonio or OKC or LAC or Utah or NOLA, then it's Miami's offer vs the Blazers keeping Dame.

Miami is never without a rival because the Blazers do not have to trade Dame to them despite his wishes. It's called a contract. It's a request. Joe is not Genie and Dame don't have the magic lamp.

Miami is on the clock, they need Dame more than we need to trade Dame.

Dame is on the clock, he needs to help the Blazers trade him. He can do that by backing out of the Miami only request. Then maybe Dame will end up in a good situation for him and Blazers get the right amount of pieces and draft capital to build around Scoot and Shaedon.

For the time being:

Dame-Scoot
Ant-Shae-Keon
Tisse-Nas-Rayan-Butler
Jerami-Kris-Jabari
Nurk-Wood-Badji
 
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If Herro is that good (better than Maxey) then it should be easy for the Heat to trade him for someone that we actually want/need. So why has Miami not been able to do so?

So much this. If he is that good or that valuable, teams should be lining up to get him. I hear some mild interest, but not for much that would be of significant value to the Blazers.
 
I guess we can be thankful Lillard doesn't want to go to Lakers. They don't have any picks, and would trade Cam Reddish back to Portland.
 
I have a strong suspicion that Herro's average defensive rating and Simons's horrific defensive rating are heavily indebted to the quality of their teams' defense and the systems in which they play.
Disagree with you here.
And Wiz provides the stats to back that statement up!
defensive rating:

* Herro was 1.7 points worse than his team; Ant was 4.2 points worse than his team

DBPM:

* Herro had a DBPM of -0.8; Ant had one of -2.5

Estimated +/- on defense:

* Herro -0.7; Ant -1.0

pretty clearly, statistically and by eyeball, Herro is poor at defense. But as bad as he is, he's still a lot better than Simons. Herro is actually able to be a net positive in BPM at +0.6. By contrast, Ant gives more back on defense than he provides on offense which led to his -1.1 BPM last season and -1.8 for his career

in net rating differential, Herro was a -6.0. Simons was a -10.0. Herro is a year younger with one less year of experience

what it all means is that the Blazers would be best off not having either player
 
So much this. If he is that good or that valuable, teams should be lining up to get him. I hear some mild interest, but not for much that would be of significant value to the Blazers.
Considering that Herro is at least on par with Simons - that should give all Blazer fans an idea of Ant's value around the league.
 
Considering that Herro is at least on par with Simons - that should give all Blazer fans an idea of Ant's value around the league.
or... Portland never had any intention of trading Simons, and Ant trade rumors were leaked as an act?
 
So much this. If he is that good or that valuable, teams should be lining up to get him. I hear some mild interest, but not for much that would be of significant value to the Blazers.

Miami: Herro is better than Maxey

The Philadelphia 76ers have told teams that Tyrese Maxey is untouchable in any type of deal.

Miami can't find a suitor for Tyler Herro.

Make it make sense.
 
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