Miami Heat Dame Trade Ideas and Rumors

[wizenheimer]

I love that this boner wants to bash on ESPN and the Blazers for pushing a narrative.... but not a word about Haynes or Shams or Fentress etc. This guy looks like he should be running a chop shop or pushing stocks.

I saw one video with that asshole in it and I won't watch another minute of him. The worst of the worst

 

[Hoopguru]

See where Heat are exploring LaVine.......

 

[Samuel]

I love that this boner wants to bash on ESPN and the Blazers for pushing a narrative.... but not a word about Haynes or Shams or Fentress etc. This guy looks like he should be running a chop shop or pushing stocks.

Honestly, this should be the Heat's offer. If there are no other competitors on the marketplace for Dame, don't send Portland any picks at all!



Miami simply needs to decide whether they want Dame or not. If they want him, they have to pay the @#$! up.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Are Heat really considering this LaVine trade or do they just want to try and put pressure on Cronin to do a Dame deal?

 

[Hoopguru]

Are Heat really considering this LaVine trade or do they just want to try and put pressure on Cronin to do a Dame deal?

Certainly could be....Maybe if Miami moves off Dame other teams will step up with decent offers.

 

[blazerkor]

Are Heat really considering this LaVine trade or do they just want to try and put pressure on Cronin to do a Dame deal?

If they do the LaVine deal Joe will be the happiest guy in the league. Miami is off the board and everyone can start bidding on Dame like he doesn't have a preferred destination. Miami does have to get things moving though because they feel like they are close to winning it all and they need to fill out that roster and no who they are building around.

 

[wizenheimer]

Are Heat really considering this LaVine trade or do they just want to try and put pressure on Cronin to do a Dame deal?

If Miami settles for LaVine, that opens up the market for Dame to other teams. I doubt this possibility bothers Cronin....at least, it shouldn't

 

[Natebishop3]

Are Heat really considering this LaVine trade or do they just want to try and put pressure on Cronin to do a Dame deal?

I hope they do.

 

[wizenheimer]

Miami can't wait till the trade deadline on Dame....I'd think

they have already lost Strus and Vincent. Next season might start out a disaster if they haven't upgrade their roster

 

[andalusian]

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I guess one rumor is Lavine for Herro/Duncan Robinson/Jovic. Not sure how LaVine really gets Miami to contend. Sounds like they have burned their relationship with Herro so have to trade him.

I really like the idea of getting Miami swaps in 2027 2029 and picks in 2028 2030 all 4 years unprotected. I know many say how Miami historically gives up late picks, but thats a trend until it isn't. I'm not convinced they can keep winning after Dame/Butler prime and the league has way more parity than it used to. That could be a huge benefit if the Blazers build a winner by those years but are adding high lottery picks while making the playoffs. Thats the type of assets that could actually help the Blazers build a legit contender even if Jody insists on ducking the tax.

But yeah Miami needs to offer all 4 of those. Ideally Blazers get a 2027 pick for Herro to ensure that year's Miami swap. The other picks I really like are the Phoenix ones from Brooklyn in 2027 and 2029. But that is only two years. Boston has their own picks but Tatum/Brown/etc are so young I don't think there is the upside as in Miami or Phoenix.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

If Herro and Chicago do the deal I would have some concern it takes a bidder out of the Dame offers. Yeah I know the 1 team list sucks and it would be good to not have that restriction. But theres not a ton of teams that can contend and have a PG opening. Especially if the Blazers insist on sending Dame east (which I think they shouldn't worry about).

Milwaukee doesn't have assets. NY, Cleveland, Atlanta already have short guards. Bulls don't have assets. So if Miami is off the board who is left? Boston/Philly/Nets/Raptors is it.

-Philly doesn't have the assets unless they include Maxey which they very well may not (he's what 22) plus that would require a 3rd team
-Boston is pretty difficult just to match salaries. Brown and Dame are super good friends so I think thats actually one team he legit may refuse to play for if the proposal is being traded for his friend.
-Raptors - do you really think Masai is going to give up more than the Heat in a trade? History probably says no.
-Nets would possibly by default be the only option and they aren't necessarily trying to win now and may not want to push in a ton of picks.

I think its better if we keep Miami as a potential bidder even if trying to get other team offers. Or the Blazers need to accept trading Dame to a western team.

 

[Natebishop3]

I guess one rumor is Lavine for Herro/Duncan Robinson/Jovic. Not sure how LaVine really gets Miami to contend. Sounds like they have burned their relationship with Herro so have to trade him.

I really like the idea of getting Miami swaps in 2027 2029 and picks in 2028 2030 all 4 years unprotected. I know many say how Miami historically gives up late picks, but thats a trend until it isn't. I'm not convinced they can keep winning after Dame/Butler prime and the league has way more parity than it used to. That could be a huge benefit if the Blazers build a winner by those years but are adding high lottery picks while making the playoffs. Thats the type of assets that could actually help the Blazers build a legit contender even if Jody insists on ducking the tax.

But yeah Miami needs to offer all 4 of those. Ideally Blazers get a 2027 pick for Herro to ensure that year's Miami swap. The other picks I really like are the Phoenix ones from Brooklyn in 2027 and 2029. But that is only two years. Boston has their own picks but Tatum/Brown/etc are so young I don't think there is the upside as in Miami or Phoenix.

These rumors are an obvious ploy to try to put pressure on Joe.

 

[Natebishop3]

If Herro and Chicago do the deal I would have some concern it takes a bidder out of the Dame offers. Yeah I know the 1 team list sucks and it would be good to not have that restriction. But theres not a ton of teams that can contend and have a PG opening. Especially if the Blazers insist on sending Dame east (which I think they shouldn't worry about).

Milwaukee doesn't have assets. NY, Cleveland, Atlanta already have short guards. Bulls don't have assets. So if Miami is off the board who is left? Boston/Philly/Nets/Raptors is it.

-Philly doesn't have the assets unless they include Maxey which they very well may not (he's what 22) plus that would require a 3rd team
-Boston is pretty difficult just to match salaries. Brown and Dame are super good friends so I think thats actually one team he legit may refuse to play for if the proposal is being traded for his friend.
-Raptors - do you really think Masai is going to give up more than the Heat in a trade? History probably says no.
-Nets would possibly by default be the only option and they aren't necessarily trying to win now and may not want to push in a ton of picks.

I think its better if we keep Miami as a potential bidder even if trying to get other team offers. Or the Blazers need to accept trading Dame to a western team.

But at least it would force Dame to open up his list.

 

[PCmor7]

Are Heat really considering this LaVine trade or do they just want to try and put pressure on Cronin to do a Dame deal?

I hope they do. TBH, even letting this rumor run wild should give Dame and Goodwin a reason to pause.

All that does is trigger an arms race among the EC contenders. Dame wants out and, regardless of what Cronin is saying, I think he's nuked the bridge behind him. The Celtics, Sixers and Bucks ... among other teams ... would be moved to answer the Heat getting Lavine, though, which means now demand grows and you have competition for deals. Would Dame, in this situation, change his one team? Seems like that'd be ill-conceived.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

But at least it would force Dame to open up his list.

I just don't know any east team is giving us significantly better offers even if Dame has them on his list. I guess Brooklyn - but if they're the only team on the list aren't we just in the same spot as now except a trading partner that is less desperate to win immediately?

I'm not saying take the Miami shit offer - better to hold out. But I think having Miami out there as a bidder is an advantage to the Blazers regardless of the list.

 

[PCmor7]

I just don't know any east team is giving us significantly better offers even if Dame has them on his list. I guess Brooklyn - but if they're the only team on the list aren't we just in the same spot as now except a trading partner that is less desperate to win immediately?

I'm not saying take the Miami shit offer - better to hold out. But I think having Miami out there as a bidder is an advantage to the Blazers regardless of the list.

Only if Dame's management isn't out there trying to submarine other potential trades.

 

[B-Rod]

Where is this Heat/Lavine rumor coming from?

 

[Natebishop3]

I just don't know any east team is giving us significantly better offers even if Dame has them on his list. I guess Brooklyn - but if they're the only team on the list aren't we just in the same spot as now except a trading partner that is less desperate to win immediately?

I'm not saying take the Miami shit offer - better to hold out. But I think having Miami out there as a bidder is an advantage to the Blazers regardless of the list.

In theory yes, but right now we're in a game of chicken. Either Dame blinks or we do. Actually there's two games of chicken. There's Riley and Joe and then there's Dame and Joe.

So if Miami is off the board, and Dame is serious about leaving, he has to reevaluate his options.

 

[Ed O]

But at least it would force Dame to open up his list.

Miami making that deal would be awesome for us... which is almost never the case (having one potential buyer opting out of the market)

 

[Sheldon Shape]

I just don't know any east team is giving us significantly better offers even if Dame has them on his list. I guess Brooklyn - but if they're the only team on the list aren't we just in the same spot as now except a trading partner that is less desperate to win immediately?

I'm not saying take the Miami shit offer - better to hold out. But I think having Miami out there as a bidder is an advantage to the Blazers regardless of the list.

Boston. There's a reason why they haven't extended Brown.

 

[Ed O]

I love that this boner wants to bash on ESPN and the Blazers for pushing a narrative.... but not a word about Haynes or Shams or Fentress etc. This guy looks like he should be running a chop shop or pushing stocks.

Yes, indeed. He keeps repeating the same things over and over. He has no sources and he doesn't believe anything that doesn't reinforce his "Dame and Miami have all the leverage"... which is based on his belief that Portland SHOULD clear the path for Scoot by moving Dame. It's circular reasoning at its finest.

Also, the dude sounds so much like Cowherd it's crazy. Which is annoying.

 

[B-Roy]

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-summer...thers-who-might-be-on-the-move-221154632.html

Yet for the steady stream of incremental updates on Lillard’s Miami-or-bust saga, even with Blazers general manager Joe Cronin addressing reporters during a news conference this week, Lillard’s unsettled future did not bring many theatrics on the ground in Las Vegas. There was no substantiated word of significant talks between Portland and Miami. There were no eye-raising courtside seating arrangements, like, say, Lillard’s agent, Aaron Goodwin, being noticeably stationed with the Heat’s front-office luminaries. Cronin has delivered consistent messaging about his pursuits to trade Lillard, even claiming “if it takes months, it takes months.” He, nor any of the Blazers lead officials in attendance, seemed to be conducting themselves as if they’re standing in the center of the NBA’s latest storm. Just like Lillard, they’re acting quite unbothered by all these raindrops.

For the Blazers’ hopes of finding a multi-team package with Miami, there is optimism among league personnel that Portland will find at least a first-round pick from another franchise that’s more keen to welcome Tyler Herro. Although outside of early rumblings about Brooklyn and Chicago, the only team even loosely connected as a Herro suitor has been Utah. The Jazz’s valuation of Herro was a key talking point around last year’s Summer League, too, as team staffers were readying for Utah to move on from Donovan Mitchell — in a trade sweepstakes that NBA figures believed would come down to the Heat’s offer featuring Herro, similar to their possible package for Lillard, and a potential offer from New York that could have included R.J. Barrett. Both players went on to sign four-year contracts worth about $30 million in average annual salary, which will begin with this 2023-24 season.

There’s been league-wide speculation that Brooklyn has looked into adding Herro as an effort to offload Ben Simmons. However the Nets, league sources told Yahoo Sports, have not held any meaningful trade conversation regarding Simmons and this Lillard-to-Miami blockbuster. Yes, this is another offseason rife with social media sightings of Simmons on the mend, shirtless and lifting and back on the court, but Nets officials seem genuinely intrigued to see how a healthy, former three-time All-Star can perform in a much different Brooklyn environment. The Nets also have to recognize any deal framework that would send out the final two years and nearly $80 million left on Simmons’ contract from his All-Star past will be quite challenging to complete.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

GUYS WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING.

WE DON'T HAVE LEVERAGE.

DAMIAN AND HIS AGENT ARE CALLING OTHER TEAMS AND TELLING THEM HE WON'T BE HAPPY.

TAKE JAIME JAQUEZ AND RUN!

CRONIN'S SO GOOD!

 

[Ed O]

I just don't know any east team is giving us significantly better offers even if Dame has them on his list. I guess Brooklyn - but if they're the only team on the list aren't we just in the same spot as now except a trading partner that is less desperate to win immediately?

I'm not saying take the Miami shit offer - better to hold out. But I think having Miami out there as a bidder is an advantage to the Blazers regardless of the list.

The more I think about the Miami deal, the less I like it (which probably makes it more likely).

Looking at my current thoughts on each main piece:

• Tyler Herro. CLEARLY doesn't fit on the Blazers. Even if we moved Ant, I don't think it would be an upgrade as Herro makes more money and seems to have more of maturity issues. What is Herro's value around the league? If it's two first rounders, then that's one thing... if he's neutral in value (which isn't that crazy, given his contract), then ... why bother?
• Jaime Jaquez. I'm not a fan. He is old for a rookie (he's 27 months older than Sharpe and only 20 months younger than Ant, for crying out loud) but he isn't a good shooter and doesn't seem to do much well except work hard and play hard or something.
• Nikola Jovic. I have no opinion. A late first rounder that played 204 minutes as a 19 year old. A tall shooter and... anything else? Dunno.
• 2028 and 2030 first rounders. Who knows? Where will Miami be then? Where will Portland be? Will we still be alive? Sooner is better with draft picks, especially when it comes to a rebuild. Best case with these picks? Portland is a contender and Miami sucks in 2028, and... we get Golden State-level lottery picks. Ideally, then, Portland wouldn't pick a Wiseman- and a Kuminga-level (so far) pair.

I just look at those pieces and don't see what there is to be excited about. If we do NOT make this trade, or any trade, is our team going to be much worse off even if we get nothing out of Dame? I don't think so.

 

[RonBrewer]

I love that this boner wants to bash on ESPN and the Blazers for pushing a narrative.... but not a word about Haynes or Shams or Fentress etc. This guy looks like he should be running a chop shop or pushing stocks.

dude looks like a gay hair stylist.

seems really butthurt

 

[RonBrewer]

I’m at about 25 percent confidence level Dame changes his mind

 

[andalusian]

I’m at about 25 percent confidence level Dame changes his mind

I am at 100% not give a shit if he does or not, to be fair. I am glad either way.

 

[KingSpeed]

dude looks like a gay hair stylist.

And that’s bad because..?

 

[blazerfan11]

Are Heat really considering this LaVine trade or do they just want to try and put pressure on Cronin to do a Dame deal?

It's possible they know they will never give up what Cronin wants, and that Cronin isn't going to budge, with good reason.