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illmatic99 said:
We can agree to disagree. I think a run through the play in would have kept Dame quiet for another yr. Whether that's beneficial to the team overall is debatable but that's not the discussion here.

I just don't like the whole hearted embrace of losing that we've fostered the past two years. It just leads to young guys building bad habits and reflects and overarching culture that losing is OK. And what exactly is it doing for Billups and his coaching education?

Don't get me wrong-- they were fully justified in doing it for Wemby, but given the gusto with which they pursued that strategy leads me to think they'll do it again this yr.
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I agree with your concerns of fostering a culture of losing. I think its important we have a number of good vets on the roster. We have plenty of young upside with rookies the last two drafts plus Ant. If we get back one or two more good prospects in a Dame trade then fine. All the other roster spots should be vets regardless if they are starters/ occasional backups/ or end of the bench Udonis Haslem types. When we had a roster of older players and all win now starters we could take some upside swings on young guys breaking out in roster spots 12-15. But that is not needed any more, we need vets in those spots.

The 2024 and 2025 drafts don't look near as good, and the Blazers shouldn't start the year with so many wins as they did the last few seasons.

I'm hoping the Blazers can just try to win and we let the chips fall where they may. If the Blazers do lose and we get a nice pick then fine, hopefully the talent and results gets incrementally better in future years. If the Blazers have some good wins this year or next year that's even better because that means 5-10 players are progressing better than we expect instead of just getting a higher spot for 1 player.
 
Natebishop3 said:
LOL making excuses for being a shill.....

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portland is a podunk market run by estate custodians that didn't communicate with dame and trashed the relationship purposefully. poor thing. they should trade him immediately for a bradley beal level return (2nds and swaps) and matching salary—basically anything miami wants to get off of. let portland take all of their trash contracts because they did wrong by dame. /s

(was I close?) my favorite tone from the miami fans/mouthpieces like lebetard is the attempt to be patronizing around 'how the basketball business works' and 'how leverage works' and how pat riley is 'used to handling major multi-team deals' that cronin isn't sophisticated enough to be a part of.

ridiculous, lol.
 
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illmatic99 said:
We can agree to disagree. I think a run through the play in would have kept Dame quiet for another yr. Whether that's beneficial to the team overall is debatable but that's not the discussion here.

I just don't like the whole hearted embrace of losing that we've fostered the past two years. It just leads to young guys building bad habits and reflects and overarching culture that losing is OK. And what exactly is it doing for Billups and his coaching education?

Don't get me wrong-- they were fully justified in doing it for Wemby, but given the gusto with which they pursued that strategy leads me to think they'll do it again this yr.
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2007- draft KD
2008- draft RW
2009- draft Harden
2010- 50 wins
2011- WCF
2012- Finals

Then they fucked it up but this should be our template for success. So far, it’s working. We have 2 young studs. One more could be the final piece of the puzzle. I’ll still be rooting for us to win but if we pivot in March again and tank, I’ll understand. It’s the only way to build a legit contender in Portland.
 
illmatic99 said:
Until our all stars ask to be traded.

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None of them ever asked to be traded. Harden was willing to stay on the bench if they paid him. KD played for OKC for 9 years without ever asking to be traded. Westbrook played for OKC for 11 years and never asked to be traded. If they had paid Harden, they win 4-5 titles and are still in OKC ala Duncan/Parker/Manu. KD never goes to GS if he’s winning in OKC. We can fix what OKC messed up.
 
GoBlazersGo said:
Holy shit… that motherfucker is a MORON! I made it about 90 seconds into his drivel before shutting that shit down. Yiiiiiiikes! “Miami has all the leverage.” LOL!
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Might be the biggest asswhipe homer podcast i've ever seen and he's prob never heard of Joe Cronin before.

You know how i know we are winning? Heat fans HATE Joe Cronin. LMAO.
 
Every time I log in I hope to see the title of this thread change to Dame is traded to Miami...but no. This whole thing is doing my head in. Obviously Miami is not gonna give us what we want so just move on.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I find it interesting to listen to the other side. You can choose not to click on it.
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Well obviously I choose not to click on it. I just find it weird how you choose to criticize some of these idiots and then do their marketing. Way to reward stupidity.
 
Being a radio guy for my sports I have to say that it's brutal if you're ever stuck having to listen to the Heat's broadcast crew and that arena has an echo from poor attendance often. I can't imagine the drop off in fan support you'd have leaving Portland to move to that city of football soccer and baseball fans.
 
Sloth said:
Obviously Miami is not gonna give us what we want so just move on.
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Miami can't give the Blazers what they want. They don't have anything the Blazers need.

A piece of the challenge is that the Blazers need to take back close to Dame's salary of $45M. If I was Cronin, I'm not looking for dead-weight contracts. Expiring, perhaps. But primarily looking for starter level talent.

It's on Miami to flip Herro for something the Blazers can use. (Blazers have Simons)
It's on Miami to come up with salary filler that's not a deadweight like Robinson. (A SF averaging 6.4 ppg, 1.4 rgp, 1.1 apg, shooting 32.8% from 3 - owed $57M over the next 3 years. No thank you)
It's on Miami to flip some of their assets to obtain usable draft capital that the Blazers want.

At this point, Miami is entirely dependent upon other teams to help them facilitate getting pieces that the Blazers want.
 
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42N8Bounce said:
Miami can't give the Blazers what they want. They don't have anything the Blazers need.

A piece of the challenge is that the Blazers need to take back close to Dame's salary of $45M. If I was Cronin, I'm not looking for dead-weight contracts. Expiring, perhaps. But primarily looking for starter level talent.

It on Miami to flip Herro for something the Blazers could use. (Blazers have Simons)
It's on Miami to come up with salary filler that's not a deadweight like Robinson. (A SF averaging 6.4 ppg, 1.4 rgp, 1.1 apg, shooting 32.8% from 3 - owed over $57M over the next 3 years. No thank you)
It's on Miami to flip some of their assets to obtain usable draft capital that the Blazers want.

At this point, Miami is entirely dependent upon other teams to help them facilitate getting pieces that the Blazers want.
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Agree with primarily starter level talent. This time line narrative 28 versus 24 or younger is bs, imo.
In todays game a team must have the right blend of veteran talent and youngsters developing.
If Cronin could obtain one more solid front court veteran player to go along with Grant and Nurk and if Dame at least stays till deadline or longer team could be interesting. It simple incremental stuff like what Denver has done over the last 5 years or so.
 
Sloth said:
Every time I log in I hope to see the title of this thread change to Dame is traded to Miami...but no. This whole thing is doing my head in. Obviously Miami is not gonna give us what we want so just move on.
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Chopper Reid would like a word with you…



Just kiddin’! :breakdance:
 
These dudes are really reaching....



This is live so it's at -24:30.... they think because he posted a picture of a toy in a Heat jersey that he's staying in Miami.
 
Once Dame is traded to Miami (still my guess) I could see Watford sign with them.
 


This is a Heat reporter btw.... they're trying to flip this back on Portland and inflict some PR damage on the Blazers.

How much do you want to bet that his "source" is Aaron Goodwin?
 
Why would they?
Unless they get a haul
They signed a contract extension in good faith.
If Dame is having personal issues a reconciliation with Bkazers could be possible and advisable.
 
Natebishop3 said:


This is a Heat reporter btw.... they're trying to flip this back on Portland and inflict some PR damage on the Blazers.

How much do you want to bet that his "source" is Aaron Goodwin?
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I would rather keep Dame and deal with the obvious problems it presents (logjam, chemistry, risk of injury) than selling him at an obvious loss just to get it over with.
 
inconceivable said:
I would rather keep Dame and deal with the obvious problems it presents (logjam, chemistry, risk of injury) than selling him at an obvious loss just to get it over with.
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Which is what most everyone was expecting before Dame's trade demand.
The YouTubers that I watch mainly pointed out that it might be a problem for Anfernee Simons moving forward, which was a popular view in the forum as well.
To me, the trade demand might be a good thing for the young players, specifically Scoot Henderson.
Dame is no longer the undisputed leader, or even a leader at all anymore. He's a very good veteran who wants to play in Miami.
 
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