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Natebishop3 said:
He’s an overpaid three-point specialist who has a shit 3p%.
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Not a huge fan of DR but his 3p% percentage is not shit......... Career 40% and he takes a lot of them off the dribble.

I was looking at some 3-way trades, and if taking DR to get a center like Jarrett Allen I would do it. I still don't see many options where we get a decent player without taking on a bad contract. I think I could talk myself into him for two years if it is the only way.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Not a huge fan of DR but his 3p% percentage is not shit......... Career 40% and he takes a lot of them off the dribble.

I was looking at some 3-way trades, and if taking DR to get a center like Jarrett Allen I would do it. I still don't see many options where we get a decent player without taking on a bad contract. I think I could talk myself into him for two years if it is the only way.
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The main issue is that he has been trending down in the past few seasons. Last system was terrible.
 
Samuel said:
The more I go back to it, the more I think there's zero miracle construction of this Miami deal that works for Portland in the near term.
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Yup. I think the holdup right now is a couple possibilities.

  1. Miami is being stingy with their meager assets
  2. Miami can't find a taker for Herro and we refuse to take him.
Either way, I think ultimately the best we're going to be able to do is Lowry, Jovic, Jaquez, (maybe) Martin, and 3-4 picks. Plus a few swaps and maybe some seconds.
 
Samuel said:
The more I go back to it, the more I think there's zero miracle construction of this Miami deal that works for Portland in the near term.
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Cronin wants to test Dame.

I will not make any phone calls.

I let it be known for 29 teams, show me your best offer.

After getting all the data: Hello Miami, this is Boston's best offer, wanna top it? No? Hello Boston, Philly has better trade structure, wanna top it? Make teams fight over Dame.

Cronin: We don't need or want to trade Dame, you have to blow us away with an offer.

Then, hey Dame, this X team's offer works for us, wanna go there?

Cronin is doing Dame a favor by giving him a choice to stay in Portland or getting traded to team X when in reality he could trade Dame any team whether he likes it or not.


PLOT TWIST: A team made an offer we can't refuse, that turns blazers not named Dame Sharpe Scoot Jerami Tisse, into a legit starting 3 or 4 (moving Grant to 3) and/or an upgrade to 5.
 
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Samuel said:
The more I go back to it, the more I think there's zero miracle construction of this Miami deal that works for Portland in the near term.
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Agreed.

Yeah the only way it can make sense is if Herro gets multiple first round picks or something. I just don't see that as being likely at all. He sits out and the team goes from the underperforming all year losing a playin game to making the finals. That doesn't have a bunch of teams excited to give up assets to acquire him.

Below is basically about the max that Miami can offer. Yeah the Blazers can involve 3rd or 4th teams - but they are going to want equal or more likely additional value to be involved. This is all the talent the Blazers can get. A 3rd or 4th team isn't some magical scenario where more assets or talent is created out of nothing which seems to be what is often implied.

Is this enough value for us to trade Dame? If it is then yeah maybe we explore adding additional teams to get a better fit. If this is not enough value then all Miami trades that could realistically happen are dead on arrival.

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SharpesTriumph said:
Agreed.

Yeah the only way it can make sense is if Herro gets multiple first round picks or something. I just don't see that as being likely at all. He sits out and the team goes from the underperforming all year losing a playin game to making the finals. That doesn't have a bunch of teams excited to give up assets to acquire him.

Below is basically about the max that Miami can offer. Yeah the Blazers can involve 3rd or 4th teams - but they are going to want equal or more likely additional value to be involved. This is all the talent the Blazers can get. A 3rd or 4th team isn't some magical scenario where more assets or talent is created out of nothing which seems to be what is often implied.

Is this enough value for us to trade Dame? If it is then yeah maybe we explore adding additional teams to get a better fit. If this is not enough value then all Miami trades that could realistically happen are dead on arrival.

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You added 2 guards and subtracted a center from the blazers
 
Natebishop3 said:
Yup. I think the holdup right now is a couple possibilities.

  1. Miami is being stingy with their meager assets
  2. Miami can't find a taker for Herro and we refuse to take him.
Either way, I think ultimately the best we're going to be able to do is Lowry, Jovic, Jaquez, (maybe) Martin, and 3-4 picks. Plus a few swaps and maybe some seconds.
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They have multiple takers for Herro.
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
Will any of those takers give up anything of value for him?
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CJ_is_Gone said:
Will any of those takers give up anything of value for him?
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I doubt Herro is worth an unrestricted FRP. I am sure it will have limitations. Maybe top five. I don't think it should be full lottery protected.
 
Hoopguru said:
If you ask them to give you their best offer they will low ball which they have done.
If you are Portland and you want to send Dame to Miami ask them for what you want in return and see what they counter with. We are the ones selling not them.
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That's exactly how you get shortchanged. There's a difference between being a willing seller and a reluctant one. All things being equal, we would be thrilled to keep Dame. We'd figure out how to get minutes for everyone in the backcourt.

Miami is the one who wants Dame more than we want to be rid of him. The minute we say what we want, we have anchored the maximum we will get for him. Time is on our side. We have the luxury of sucking.
 
I want Orlando Robinson.

He can be traded in September. He had a fantastic summer league. He's on a stupid cheap contract. We should wait until he can be traded.
 
Hoopguru said:
I think you make some valid points, for sure. Since Dame is under contract and if they dont want to peddle him, the why not establish a price? If they say, we want established an all star player and pics, nothing less, it put's the pressure on Miami and at the same time the rest of league knows that we want an Allstar player. So blow our socks off if you want him. You can always come down if the market doesn't respond.
I dont want to sell my house but if someone seemed like they must have it, Id ask a ridiculous high price.
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Because it's never "That's our price and we're sticking to it." It becomes a game of seeing how low they can knock us off of our asking price.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I think Minny would want some picks. That's pretty bad value on KAT. They had supposedly reached out to us about the #3, so it would be a pretty massive step down if they accepted Herro and Martin. Of course, their GM is horrible so maybe they do it?

I want that 2024 pick from Miami though, as well. They need to give OKC the 2026 and give us 2024/2028/2030.
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Minny is in a pickle regarding their big men (Gobert, Reid and Towns) and KAT is the odd man out. Also, that KAT contract is an albatross. They're going to have to pay to rid themselves of it. They need to rebalance their roster almost as much as we need to do. I could see them playing a role as a facilitator in any trade.
 
BigGameDamian said:
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Miami: "Oh, you don't want Herro because he's an overpaid piece of s***? I'll tell you what, we'll give you an even bigger overpaid piece of s***. What do you say?"

How these people have overcome their own sense of shame when it comes to attaching their names/brands to these tweets is beyond me.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I want Orlando Robinson.

He can be traded in September. He had a fantastic summer league. He's on a stupid cheap contract. We should wait until he can be traded.
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Oh, dear.

You do realize there's a fan on another board raving about Michael Devoe and talking about his amazing summer league, right?
 
maxiep said:
Oh, dear.

You do realize there's a fan on another board raving about Michael Devoe and talking about his amazing summer league, right?
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Again.... he's an asset. If we end up having to deal with them, I want everything they have. I'm not saying he's a star.
 
maxiep said:
We're talking past one another.
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We're not.

If we HAVE to deal with Miami, I want everything not nailed down. Jovic, Jaquez, Martin, and I think we should wait for Robinson. Are any of them stars? No, but I think at least Robinson could be a rotation backup center. I'm not convinced that Jovic or Jaquez are even good enough to get minutes on our crappy rebuilding team.
 
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